🥊 The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 5

[Fallen Angel]

So the freak show is over and Floyd won as expected. Someone turn the lights off on this circus now.

 

[Iceman]

Back to real boxing!

 

[The Endless]

Conor wasn't even in Floyd's weightclass.

That you have to grade Conor on a curve, says it all. It is also why Floyd picked him. Because there was no realm Conor could beat him, and he proved that tonight, by getting his ass whooped by old, little Floyd with the feather fist.

People were bragging about Conor's power. He had none. His technique was bad. Talking about Conor's chin. He got saved by the ref. He has crap condition as well. He showed nothing other then an ability to get beat up by a 40 year old welterweight, who hasn't legitimately knocked some out for 10 years, and that guy was a dude much smaller then him. I mean, for someone who says they watch boxing, you don't seem to understand Floyd at all, because that early stuff was typical Floyd. Except extra tonight, because had to carry Conor a bit. Make it look good.

Conor did nothing tonight, other then get carried for 5 rounds, and then beat up for 5 rounds. Floyd wanted to entertain, he did. Now the complaints about the Manny fight go away.

Realistically Connor had zero chance of winning this fight. Any one with any sense could see that. Most people with sense thought he wouldn't land a punch then get knocked out.

Of course you grade him on a curve. He's an amateur with 6 months of boxing prep against Floyd Mayweather lol!

It's like me or you fighting a Olympic level boxer after training for half a year. Of course we're gonna lose. But if we actually land punches and survive past the half way mark then how could we be embarrassed about that?

Honestly do you think this Floyd Mayweather loses to the likes of Canelo etc. Honestly what were your expectations of Connor in this fight?

 

[Chesterfield]

Conor wasn't even in Floyd's weightclass.

That you have to grade Conor on a curve, says it all. It is also why Floyd picked him. Because there was no realm Conor could beat him, and he proved that tonight, by getting his ass whooped by old, little Floyd with the feather fist.

People were bragging about Conor's power. He had none. His technique was bad. Talking about Conor's chin. He got saved by the ref. He has crap condition as well. He showed nothing other then an ability to get beat up by a 40 year old welterweight, who hasn't legitimately knocked some out for 10 years, and that guy was a dude much smaller then him. I mean, for someone who says they watch boxing, you don't seem to understand Floyd at all, because that early stuff was typical Floyd. Except extra tonight, because had to carry Conor a bit. Make it look good.

Conor did nothing tonight, other then get carried for 5 rounds, and then beat up for 5 rounds. Floyd wanted to entertain, he did. Now the complaints about the Manny fight go away.

THANK YOU! Someone who actually saw the same fight I saw.

 

[Doc Samson]

He has crap condition as well.

Everything about this fight early on had to do with Conor's conditioning and people are trying to spin it. One of the few nuggets Paulie let loose on his personal press tour was the fact that Conor could be lulled into working when he doesn't have to.

Floyd knew he barely had 25 minutes in him anyway, all he did was allow Conor to gas out doing work that didn't amount to anything. It's strategy folks, if Floyd pressed him from the opening bell this wouldn't have lasted 10 rounds, but he's certainly not the same guy himself anymore...

 

[Fallen Angel]

 

[InCali]

I didn't pay for the fight and was out of town, but got to watch the recording this morning. Here's what I saw:

Floyd needs to keep to his word and not fight again. He is clearly in decline (as you would expect for a 40 year old fighter) and I saw some ring rust. His hand speed and reflexes aren't what they once were. The same may be true of his foot speed, but he also may have just decided not to move as much because of the fighter in front of him. I think Floyd played it very safe and could have ended the fight earlier. I wouldn't say he necessarily carried him, but I think he knew Conor would wear down so why take a chance of moving in too quickly.

As far as Conor goes, he is very awkward and unorthodox (as you would expect from someone who's never had a professional boxing match). He's probably a little better than I expected, but he's no world class boxer. By the 4th or 5th round, he was getting tired. By the 7th or 8th, he was pretty much gassed. Typically a guy who isn't used to training for a match slows down a lot towards the end of the round and that fit Conor perfectly. You could see him starting the rounds fast and fading after the halfway mark. When a guy is looking at the clock, he's out of gas.

So, Floyd has fallen off, Conor is a little better than I expected, and the fight was a mismatch. The fighters got their payday and the viewers paid for a fight that wasn't ever going to be close.

 

[InCali]

Everything about this fight early on had to do with Conor's conditioning and people are trying to spin it. One of the few nuggets Paulie let loose on his personal press tour was the fact that Conor could be lulled into working when he doesn't have to.

Floyd knew he barely had 25 minutes in him anyway, all he did was allow Conor to gas out doing work that didn't amount to anything. It's strategy folks, if Floyd pressed him from the opening bell this wouldn't have lasted 10 rounds, but he's certainly not the same guy himself anymore...

I wanted to write my analysis without reading what anyone else had to say, but I can see that I'm not alone in my opinions.

 

[InCali]

Realistically Connor had zero chance of winning this fight. Any one with any sense could see that. Most people with sense thought he wouldn't land a punch then get knocked out.

Of course you grade him on a curve. He's an amateur with 6 months of boxing prep against Floyd Mayweather lol!

It's like me or you fighting a Olympic level boxer after training for half a year. Of course we're gonna lose. But if we actually land punches and survive past the half way mark then how could we be embarrassed about that?

Honestly do you think this Floyd Mayweather loses to the likes of Canelo etc. Honestly what were your expectations of Connor in this fight?

Floyd loses to Canelo unless he has a lot more than he showed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Realistically Connor had zero chance of winning this fight. Any one with any sense could see that. Most people with sense thought he wouldn't land a punch then get knocked out.

Of course you grade him on a curve. He's an amateur with 6 months of boxing prep against Floyd Mayweather lol!

It's like me or you fighting a Olympic level boxer after training for half a year. Of course we're gonna lose. But if we actually land punches and survive past the half way mark then how could we be embarrassed about that?

Honestly do you think this Floyd Mayweather loses to the likes of Canelo etc. Honestly what were your expectations of Connor in this fight?

Floyd gets beat up by current Canelo and GGG. He doesn't have the speed anymore to avoid fighters like that, they are a lot of bigger then him, and they have a lot of power and technique. Canelo is also just a lot better then when he fought Floyd the first time. Those guys would murder Conor. Like really badly hurt him. They are proper 160 guys, not WW.

Everyone knew he'd land a punch who had sense. Everyone lands "A punch". This is boxing, where even Tyson got hit when he knocked out a guy in a minute.

I'd be embarrassed fighting anyone professional, because I am not a professional. Conor fights for a living. He doesn't wrestle, he fights. And he got embarrassed by a much smaller, much older guy. Conor is prime, and got worked, completely. He never once hurt Floyd outside of a low blow. No one forced Conor into the ring.

But as one who has watched every single Floyd Mayweather fight in the last 15 years, it was so obvious how little Conor had.

 

[Iceman]

Floyd is too old and past his best to mix it with the current best guys in boxing now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd loses to Canelo unless he has a lot more than he showed.

Every time Floyd turned his back, Conor wasted energy. It was actually rather funny to see a guy do what a boxers are tried not to do, just because he knew Conor would just waste energy.

 

[Iceman]

I don't think Conor acquitted himself badly in the ring. I don't see what more he could have done. Barring an extreme stroke of luck this was always as good as it was going to get. Will be interested to see what he does next, hopefully a big UFC fight and nothing to do with boxing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Floyd is too old and past his best to mix it with the current best guys in boxing now.

He was too old 2 years ago. The Berto fight was the worst I had ever seen him until last night. And Conor still had nothing.

Floyd's hustle last night should be legend. He made 9 figures for that.

 

[Iceman]

He was too old 2 years ago. The Berto fight was the worst I had ever seen him until last night. And Conor still had nothing.

Floyd's hustle last night should be legend. He made 9 figures for that.

Yeah.

And money really does talk.

 

[Iceman]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...out-in-super-fight/ar-AAqM6p7?ocid=spartanntp
Conor McGregor condemns referee for not letting Floyd Mayweather knock him out in super-fight

This guy is hilarious.

 

[Doc Samson]

I wanted to write my analysis without reading what anyone else had to say, but I can see that I'm not alone in my opinions.

Certainly not. Clearly, there was some deterioration of speed for anyone who's a fan of Floyd, not just handspeed but feet as well. That being said, he also made a conscious decision to walk Conor down because he knew he couldn't be hurt by him. It was almost a Mexican style-Margarito approach, to break him from sheer pressure.

Even with his errosion, I think a Floyd who respected Conor's power would've evaded more punches, he wasn't trying to avoid shots here at all, he knew could absorb it and drain all his energy...

 

[B]

I didn't pay for the fight and was out of town, but got to watch the recording this morning. Here's what I saw:

Floyd needs to keep to his word and not fight again. He is clearly in decline (as you would expect for a 40 year old fighter) and I saw some ring rust. His hand speed and reflexes aren't what they once were. The same may be true of his foot speed, but he also may have just decided not to move as much because of the fighter in front of him. I think Floyd played it very safe and could have ended the fight earlier. I wouldn't say he necessarily carried him, but I think he knew Conor would wear down so why take a chance of moving in too quickly.

As far as Conor goes, he is very awkward and unorthodox (as you would expect from someone who's never had a professional boxing match). He's probably a little better than I expected, but he's no world class boxer. By the 4th or 5th round, he was getting tired. By the 7th or 8th, he was pretty much gassed. Typically a guy who isn't used to training for a match slows down a lot towards the end of the round and that fit Conor perfectly. You could see him starting the rounds fast and fading after the halfway mark. When a guy is looking at the clock, he's out of gas.

So, Floyd has fallen off, Conor is a little better than I expected, and the fight was a mismatch. The fighters got their payday and the viewers paid for a fight that wasn't ever going to be close.

Very astute assessment of the fight that I pretty much completely agree with.

As mentioned by someone else, one of the few things that Paulie had to say about his sparring session(s) with McGregor that was actually useful information is that he was very susceptible into being teased into working when it really wasn't beneficial or necessary in a boxing bout.

Was really noticeable from the 4th onwards when Floyd started to hold his ground more & not be walked backwards or pushed onto ropes, he just held his guard up which McGregor then wasted energy by throwing medium/low effort shots most of which were landing & scoring but were never really going to hurt Floyd significantly. Floyd was trying to get him to waste energy & Conor was trying to get Mayweather to try to counter him, one of the few things I picked up from McGregor's corner was one of his coaches telling him to only throw when Mayweather throws.

Some people are saying Floyd could have ended that anytime he wanted, he really, really couldn't. Floyd looked like age had finally caught up with him & won the contest more on his significant boxing experience & boxing IQ than anything else. It wasn't a beating though at all, McGregor gave a good account of himself IMO, but all the fight did was really further showcase that while MMA & boxing bleed into each others worlds, they are different games & it takes different qualities to be a world class mixed martial artist & a world class boxer (or world class in any individual martial art for that matter).

 

[chamber-music]

It is noticeable the referees step in to end fights far more than they used to.

So who the hell are the heavyweight champions? Who's in the division?

Anthony Joshua.

Joshua stands a chance of possibly being the first guy to become undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis so he may not be a household name now but he could become one in the near future.

Joshua is a nice guy who has a killer instinct in the ring.
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Ladies seem to love Joshua as well. Joshua is also 2012 Heavyweight Olympic champion

 

[InCali]

Very astute assessment of the fight that I pretty much completely agree with.

As mentioned by someone else, one of the few things that Paulie had to say about his sparring session(s) with McGregor that was actually useful information is that he was very susceptible into being teased into working when it really wasn't beneficial or necessary in a boxing bout.

Was really noticeable from the 4th onwards when Floyd started to hold his ground more & not be walked backwards or pushed onto ropes, he just held his guard up which McGregor then wasted energy by throwing medium/low effort shots most of which were landing & scoring but were never really going to hurt Floyd significantly. Floyd was trying to get him to waste energy & Conor was trying to get Mayweather to try to counter him, one of the few things I picked up from McGregor's corner was one of his coaches telling him to only throw when Mayweather throws.

Some people are saying Floyd could have ended that anytime he wanted, he really, really couldn't. Floyd looked like age had finally caught up with him & won the contest more on his significant boxing experience & boxing IQ than anything else. It wasn't a beating though at all, McGregor gave a good account of himself IMO, but all the fight did was really further showcase that while MMA & boxing bleed into each others worlds, they are different games & it takes different qualities to be a world class mixed martial artist & a world class boxer (or world class in any individual martial art for that matter).

Big George Foreman, in his early days, didn't know how to relax. By the 6th or 7th round, he was in trouble if he was still in the ring (usually he'd already knocked the crap out of his opponent by them). Later on, he learned how to conserve energy and still had his legs (and, by extension, his punch) in the later rounds. This is something that a lot of people don't learn. In the lighter weight divisions (which I think are generally the better fights), it's less pronounced because the pace is generally so much faster than in the heavier weight divisions.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Very astute assessment of the fight that I pretty much completely agree with.

As mentioned by someone else, one of the few things that Paulie had to say about his sparring session(s) with McGregor that was actually useful information is that he was very susceptible into being teased into working when it really wasn't beneficial or necessary in a boxing bout.

Was really noticeable from the 4th onwards when Floyd started to hold his ground more & not be walked backwards or pushed onto ropes, he just held his guard up which McGregor then wasted energy by throwing medium/low effort shots most of which were landing & scoring but were never really going to hurt Floyd significantly. Floyd was trying to get him to waste energy & Conor was trying to get Mayweather to try to counter him, one of the few things I picked up from McGregor's corner was one of his coaches telling him to only throw when Mayweather throws.

Some people are saying Floyd could have ended that anytime he wanted, he really, really couldn't. Floyd looked like age had finally caught up with him & won the contest more on his significant boxing experience & boxing IQ than anything else. It wasn't a beating though at all, McGregor gave a good account of himself IMO, but all the fight did was really further showcase that while MMA & boxing bleed into each others worlds, they are different games & it takes different qualities to be a world class mixed martial artist & a world class boxer (or world class in any individual martial art for that matter).

I guess people favor MMA based on the "who would really win in a street brawl" versus the boxing fan's preference for "who are the greatest boxers using the parameters within the art and history of boxing".

I think it's interesting to see the appeal of boxing contrasted with the appeal of MMA. For that reason, I don't think this social experiment was a complete waste of time.

I would like to see more veteran or master kung fu. muay thai, karate, boxing purist and fighters thrown into the MMA ring to see if any of that stuff has any chance of working against MMA.

 

[B]

Big George Foreman, in his early days, didn't know how to relax. By the 6th or 7th round, he was in trouble if he was still in the ring (usually he'd already knocked the crap out of his opponent by them). Later on, he learned how to conserve energy and still had his legs (and, by extension, his punch) in the later rounds. This is something that a lot of people don't learn. In the lighter weight divisions (which I think are generally the better fights), it's less pronounced because the pace is generally so much faster than in the heavier weight divisions.

Agreed, not only that but it comes down to a fighters style as well. Some mixed martial artists, boxers, kickboxers etc simply don't have the style to go the distance or into later rounds. McGregor, at least in MMA is exactly like this, his style isn't suited to go the distance because of how much he puts into his kicks & punches.

The likes of Foreman, Tyson & those sorts of fighter, very violent, explosive & heavy handed. You've maybe only at most maybe 8 or 9 minutes of that sort of style before the power will fade & if you're fighting a competent fighter that's still standing after those initial danger period & you've not done enough damage to him you could find yourself in for a long night. As you say, it isn't something that is easily taught, usually you only learn to conserve your energy a little better after you've found yourself in trouble & either lost a fight or at least taken a few slaps more than you wanted in one.

It's the same in MMA & boxing, the lighter the weight class the more fast paced & technical the fight becomes, usually at a cost of fewer finishes than the heavier weight classes.

 

[B]

I guess people favor MMA based on the "who would really win in a street brawl" versus the boxing fan's preference for "who are the greatest boxers using the parameters within the art and history of boxing".

I think it's interesting to see the appeal of boxing contrasted with the appeal of MMA. For that reason, I don't think this social experiment was a complete waste of time.

Boxing will always be popular & have it's purists, if you ignore the politics & ******** within boxing itself that is at times infuriating, at it's core it's a noble gentleman's art.

I take my notions with boxing, sometimes I enjoy it & there's other times it saps the life out of me & I take a break from watching.

I would like to see more veteran or master kung fu. muay thai, karate, boxing purist and fighters thrown into the MMA ring to see if any of that stuff has any chance of working against MMA.

There already are & have been several former world class Muay Thai, Karate & even Boxing champions that have tried their luck in MMA. With varying success, depends how well quickly they can learn & broaden their fighting knowledge by training with other fighters that come from a completely different fighting backround to them.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Bro, Floyd didn't need 10 rounds. He was in control the entire time. He could have ended this fight sooner but Floyd decided he was going to play the role of both fighter and showman. He wasn't going to end this fight before the crowd's seats could get warm. For months he's been saying what he was going to do. He was even talking about what he'd be doing in rounds 8 and 9. Floyd consciously prolonged the fight and this was noticeable from round 2. After the fight he confirmed what was so clearly evident and reaffirmed what he's been saying all along.

He said Round 6 actually and he did dawdle on but he wasn't really hurting McGregor and never looked like knocking him out, take a look at McGregor's face after the fights with Diaz and then look at his face after this, he said himself he wasn't hurt, he was just fatigued and the ref called it off. Conversely in the Octagon McGregor would have ended it in under a minute, Mayweather could never have stepped into McGregor's world like he did into Mayweather's.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Now that the circus has left, the real fight of the year is coming up in a few weeks.

Rooting for Canelo, but I don't know how he stands up with GGG's power.