🥊 The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 5

[Iceman]

It's a shame that a true superfight will likely sell a lot less tickets.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He said Round 6 actually and he did dawdle on but he wasn't really hurting McGregor and never looked like knocking him out, take a look at McGregor's face after the fights with Diaz and then look at his face after this, he said himself he wasn't hurt, he was just fatigued and the ref called it off. Conversely in the Octagon McGregor would have ended it in under a minute, Mayweather could never have stepped into McGregor's world like he did into Mayweather's.

Conor saying he wasn't hurt means he wasn't hurt? t:

He was falling backwards from Floyd's right hands, and he almost went for a TD when he was hurt on the ropes. A face being mangled has nothing to do with damage. The real damage is in the head. Conor took more damage in this fight then he has in his entire MMA career. He will live with those head shots for the rest of his life, NFL player style.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Conor saying he wasn't hurt means he wasn't hurt? t:

He was falling backwards from Floyd's right hands, and he almost went for a TD when he was hurt on the ropes. A face being mangled has nothing to do with damage. The real damage is in the head. Conor took more damage in this fight then he has in his entire MMA career. He will live with those head shots for the rest of his life, NFL player style.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Lmao people actually thinking Conor had a chance at this. Posting this again as it seems it went unnoticed.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Back to real boxing!

 

[Clark-Kent]

Lmao people actually thinking Conor had a chance at this. Posting this again as it seems it went unnoticed.

Um. Even those that wanted McGregor to win for most part didn't think he would against Mayweather. Hell, look at the oddsmaker reports. I guess some casual or some crossover fans from MMA really wanted that to happen, or people that just didn't like the domestic abuse history of Mayweather. The professional boxer won though, and extends some legitimacy in some minds of boxing skill separate as a sport from MMA. I personally thought it would have been a cool upset for a first ever boxing match up but can't say I thought it would go much beyond 5-6 rounds (Mayweather taking it).

 

[InCali]

Conor saying he wasn't hurt means he wasn't hurt? t:

He was falling backwards from Floyd's right hands, and he almost went for a TD when he was hurt on the ropes. A face being mangled has nothing to do with damage. The real damage is in the head. Conor took more damage in this fight then he has in his entire MMA career. He will live with those head shots for the rest of his life, NFL player style.

You take a lot more power shots in boxing than you would in a sport that also allows kicking, grappling, etc. I don't watch MMA that much, but I'd be shocked if someone threw over 250 power punches and landed over 150 of them. The gloves they use wouldn't allow for someone to continue after that many punches landed unless they hit like my grandmother.

Conor was gassed AND hurt. Fighters say that sort of $#!t all the time. Their legs are gone, they're wobbling around the ring, and they don't remember what happened. What do they say? "He never really hurt me." LOL.

 

[Doc Samson]

There's something troubling happening here, with this Rocky Balboa narrative everyone is trying to assign to Conor. And I understand it, I like MMA, I love boxing but I like MMA, I enjoy it and have followed it for a long time. And clearly, there was some erosion to Floyd's overall speed, hand & foot, along with his accuracy.

That being said, if Floyd actually thought Conor could hurt him, he could've went into his shell, dodged all of his offense and landed potshots at will. And people would've called it boring. He makes a conscious decision from the start to stay in his chest to drain him, and people are acting like Conor was using some sort of high level boxing acumen. It's ridiculous. Conor hit him with as flush an uppercut as I've seen him hit with, and he barely lost stride. To suggest this fight was anything other than a tactical choice by Floyd is completely ignorant...

 

[InCali]

There's something troubling happening here, with this Rocky Balboa narrative everyone is trying to assign to Conor. And I understand it, I like MMA, I love boxing but I like MMA, I enjoy it and have followed it for a long time. And clearly, there was some erosion to Floyd's overall speed, hand & foot, along with his accuracy.

That being said, if Floyd actually thought Conor could hurt him, he could've went into his shell, dodged all of his offense and landed potshots at will. And people would've called it boring. He makes a conscious decision from the start to stay in his chest to drain him, and people are acting like Conor was using some sort of high level boxing acumen. It's ridiculous. Conor hit him with as flush an uppercut as I've seen him hit with, and he barely lost stride. To suggest this fight was anything other than a tactical choice by Floyd is completely ignorant...

I won't use quite those terms, but I agree with you. Conor, IMO, is NOT a huge puncher by boxing standards. The gloves are part of that I'm sure. He caught Floyd cleanly and it clearly didn't bother him much. Floyd pushed him, tired him, hurt him, and took him out. If the ref doesn't step in when he did, Conor ends up on his back or in the front row.

I think Lomo would have dismantled Conor weighing in 20 pounds lighter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This:

You take a lot more power shots in boxing than you would in a sport that also allows kicking, grappling, etc. I don't watch MMA that much, but I'd be shocked if someone threw over 250 power punches and landed over 150 of them. The gloves they use wouldn't allow for someone to continue after that many punches landed unless they hit like my grandmother.

Conor was gassed AND hurt. Fighters say that sort of $#!t all the time. Their legs are gone, they're wobbling around the ring, and they don't remember what happened. What do they say? "He never really hurt me." LOL.

 

[InCali]

Conor saying he wasn't hurt means he wasn't hurt? t:

He was falling backwards from Floyd's right hands, and he almost went for a TD when he was hurt on the ropes. A face being mangled has nothing to do with damage. The real damage is in the head. Conor took more damage in this fight then he has in his entire MMA career. He will live with those head shots for the rest of his life, NFL player style.

Damage doesn't equal punches taken (speaking of the difference between getting hit during an MMA or a boxing match) and I've never seen a Conor MMA fight from end to end. That being said, getting SLAMMED in the head by a guy who really knows how to deliver a punch (a professional boxer who throws bombs) is very, very bad news. I've never been in with someone of that caliber, but getting clocked gives you a very different perspective even if it is someone who is less than world class.

You don't play rugby in the NFL or vice versa. I don't know how to judge whether or not Conor took more damage than he did during his other career, but if he had more than a few fights like he had against Mayweather (and a slower and lesser Mayweather), his career would be over. He's in his element in his other sport, but doesn't belong when going against an accomplished boxer.

He'd be toast if he tried to enter pro boxing ranks at this point. He made his money and now it's time to get out of that business. I'm glad for him, but I'd take that money and run. Where I'd run, I don't know, but I'd run....

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Damage doesn't equal punches taken (speaking of the difference between getting hit during an MMA or a boxing match) and I've never seen a Conor MMA fight from end to end. That being said, getting SLAMMED in the head by a guy who really knows how to deliver a punch (a professional boxer who throws bombs) is very, very bad news. I've never been in with someone of that caliber, but getting clocked gives you a very different perspective even if it is someone who is less than world class.

You don't play rugby in the NFL or vice versa. I don't know how to judge whether or not Conor took more damage than he did during his other career, but if he had more than a few fights like he had against Mayweather (and a slower and lesser Mayweather), his career would be over. He's in his element in his other sport, but doesn't belong when going against an accomplished boxer.

He'd be toast if he tried to enter pro boxing ranks at this point. He made his money and now it's time to get out of that business. I'm glad for him, but I'd take that money and run. Where I'd run, I don't know, but I'd run....

Conor doesn't take much damage in his UFC fights. A lot of fights don't really get into 30 significant strikes to somewhere other then the legs, let alone nearly 200. His MMA career in the UFC at least has seen a lot of mismatches. The two times he fought Nate Diaz, he got hurt over his entire body, but the one good head shot that Nate got Conor with, made him do a dance and then he went for a TD and got choked out. And Nate Diaz doesn't punch hard, at all.

 

[B]

Conor doesn't take much damage in his UFC fights. A lot of fights don't really get into 30 significant strikes to somewhere other then the legs, let alone nearly 200. His MMA career in the UFC at least has seen a lot of mismatches.

The amount of shots taken though isn't reflective of the damage being done either physically or mentally.. at least in regards to just counting them anyway. Like eating 1 solid kick or knee to the head or body (or leg for that matter), how many punches would that be equivalent to taking because they sure as hell aren't equal.

There's a massive difference in significant boxing strikes & significant MMA strikes. There are many reasons as to why there's typically less significant strikes absorbed in MMA than in boxing & it isn't because boxers are tougher.

The two times he fought Nate Diaz, he got hurt over his entire body, but the one good head shot that Nate got Conor with, made him do a dance and then he went for a TD and got choked out. And Nate Diaz doesn't punch hard, at all.

It's nonsense to say Nate Diaz doesn't hit hard. The majority of his submission finishes, including the 1st fight with McGregor, have come after Nate had hurt his opponent with strikes on the feet & they'd tried to take him down or been dropped & ended up in a position to be choked out.

 

[InCali]

From what I've seen (and I'm no MMA expert), MMA fighters generally don't hit as hard or as often as a professional fighter. They don't (from what I've seen) have anything close to the punching technique that a top notch boxer has. That being said, the gloves they wear don't have the kind of padding a boxer's has. Never having been on the wrong end of an MMA punch doesn't qualify me to have an opinion. I think if an MMA guy DID hit like a top flight, hard hitting pro, his hands would probably be mush.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The amount of shots taken though isn't reflective of the damage being done either physically or mentally.. at least in regards to just counting them anyway. Like eating 1 solid kick or knee to the head or body (or leg for that matter), how many punches would that be equivalent to taking because they sure as hell aren't equal.

There's a massive difference in significant boxing strikes & significant MMA strikes. There are many reasons as to why there's typically less significant strikes absorbed in MMA than in boxing & it isn't because boxers are tougher.

Studies into CTE are a very good example of the different types of damage. A knockout blow is bad. Consistent headshots are worse, no matter the strength. Though in boxing, they are rather strong. This is why lineman in the NFL, the people we rarely if ever seen "knocked out" or on the injury report with concussions, are the ones talking the most damage game in, game out.

It's nonsense to say Nate Diaz doesn't hit hard. The majority of his submission finishes, including the 1st fight with McGregor, have come after Nate had hurt his opponent with strikes on the feet & they'd tried to take him down or been dropped & ended up in a position to be choked out.

Neither Nick or Nate hit hard. You think Nate Diaz punches as hard as someone likeFloyd Mayweather, then I don't know what to tell you, other then you don't know what you are talking about.

MMA fighters for the most part have poor chin, aided by the smaller gloves and their poor cardio.

By the way, Nate has had 30 fights. He has 4 KO victories with the baby gloves. 12 of his fights went to decision. He does not hit hard, at all. He has decent pop for MMA, but in world class punching terms? He wouldn't be a big hitter at 126.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

From what I've seen (and I'm no MMA expert), MMA fighters generally don't hit as hard or as often as a professional fighter. They don't (from what I've seen) have anything close to the punching technique that a top notch boxer has. That being said, the gloves they wear don't have the kind of padding a boxer's has. Never having been on the wrong end of an MMA punch doesn't qualify me to have an opinion. I think if an MMA guy DID hit like a top flight, hard hitting pro, his hands would probably be mush.

This is 100% true. Their technique is crap. A clean shot usually results in a scramble. The Diaz bros actually have some of the best boxing technique in the UFC. But it also looks like they are fighting in slow mo in comparison.

 

[Lobo]

I see everyone still talking about the main event, but can I get some love for the performance by Badou Jack? That was my favorite fight of the night, between Jack and Cleverly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I see everyone still talking about the main event, but can I get some love for the performance by Badou Jack? That was my favorite fight of the night, between Jack and Cleverly.

It was good, but he was fighting Cleverly, one who retired right after. So yeah. Though what are the chances even 5% of the people who watched the main event, actually saw any of the undercard?

 

[Black Narcissus]

I won a thousand bucks betting on Holm over Rousey. Not knowing anything about women mma, just seeing her footwork and boxing background. That boxing skill and technique when it comes to footwork and throwing punches, jabs etc, is still far superior in low end boxers over top notch MMA folks imo.

Floyd in his prime out of 10 fights against Connor in the octagon? I give Floyd the chance of winning at least 2.

 

[Lobo]

I always watch the undercards in MMA and Boxing, and yes it's possible to be a fan of both. And understand the differences in each (Not directed at any person just a general statement, and yes I know their are other fans of both sports here). To me this was like who has the best arm? Pitcher or Quarterback, but thew quarterback won't allow the pitcher to throw a baseball, only a football. Both have excellent arms and some similarity that they can throw, but technique is way different. Floyd was always going to win, and in the cage, Connor would win. Speaking of the cage I still want Connor vs Dos Anjos

5% of the people posting here or in general? I'd say here 5% is right around correct

I also need some respect for Errol Spence watch

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I always watch the undercards in MMA and Boxing, and yes it's possible to be a fan of both. And understand the differences in each (Not directed at any person just a general statement, and yes I know their are other fans of both sports here). To me this was like who has the best arm? Pitcher or Quarterback, but thew quarterback won't allow the pitcher to throw a baseball, only a football. Both have excellent arms and some similarity that they can throw, but technique is way different. Floyd was always going to win, and in the cage, Connor would win. Speaking of the cage I still want Connor vs Dos Anjos

5% of the people posting here or in general? I'd say here 5% is right around correct

I also need some respect for Errol Spence watch

I love boxing and MMA. But boxers are boxers. They are trained to punch in a way MMA guys just aren't.

5 percent in general. So many either DVR'ed it or watched it illegally. Even those that ordered it and were watching live seemed to start surging right before the main event, which is why things went down then.

Errol Spence, watch?

 

[Lobo]

Oh there's no doubt who has the best punching technique/power. It is the sweet science after all.

Spence had a nice blinged out watch that I noticed during his interview.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh there's no doubt who has the best punching technique/power. It is the sweet science after all.

Spence had a nice blinged out watch that I noticed during his interview.

t:

 

[Iceman]

I love boxing and MMA. But boxers are boxers. They are trained to punch in a way MMA guys just aren't.

I'm sure this is right but what is the reason for it? I've trained at a MMA gym and will do again when my ankle gets better and the guys who compete did boxing-only training a few times a week over several years. Pretty much everyone trains in boxing, muay thai and BJJ and some do judo and wrestling (and I guess have backgrounds in and train in other things outside of the gym). Is it just less general focus on boxing even though the boxing training is absolutely boxing-focused, and also attended by guys who are (amateur) boxers and don't do any MMA?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm sure this is right but what is the reason for it? I've trained at a MMA gym and will do again when my ankle gets better and the guys who compete did boxing-only training a few times a week over several years. Pretty much everyone trains in boxing, muay thai and BJJ and some do judo and wrestling (and I guess have backgrounds in and train in other things outside of the gym). Is it just less general focus on boxing even though the boxing training is absolutely boxing-focused, and also attended by guys who are (amateur) boxers and don't do any MMA?

I'd say it is a combination of two factors mostly. One is yes, the amount of time spent. The sole focus on boxing technique just takes it to a different level. You also find a lot of boxers started really young, something new to MMA training.

Second, it is the techniques involved in MMA and boxing. A lot of striking techniques that work for MMA, wouldn't work for boxing and vice versa. So they don't necessarily teach them or imprint, because they don't train them the same way.

During the Floyd/Conor fight, there was a good example of this. Once Floyd started fighting on the inside, Conor kept on throwing straighter punches then Floyd, who would instead punch across his body, getting more impact on his shots. If it was an MMA fight, if you were in that close, guys would throw elbows, grab for a Muay Thai clinch, go for some underhooks, heck even pull guard. You just wouldn't just stand there punching.

Also, footwork in general is just something different. A lot of MMA fighters know how to sit on their punches, even if they don't necessary have the prettiest jab, straights or hooks. They also don't really need them, with the gloves and the ability to hit in transition. Easier to fool someone when they are worried about kicks and TDs. But they don't know how to generate the same power as a boxer, even if they are moving while throwing. Conor hit an uppercut early that looked decent, but then you see the one Floyd threw later a missed by a few inches. The power difference is apparent.