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1, 2, Freddy's coming for you....

The world can only handle one Kubrickian horror movie.

I suppose. If anything I wish I could get my hands on a copy of the original screenplay. I'd heard the only thing that made it from the original draft to what was in the movie was the line, "It's a boooooy!"
 
1. A Nightmare on Elm Street (Great plot, good likable lead, great and scary Freddy. The ending is still eh, Craven still doesn't know how to end films to this very day with the exception of Scream)

2.Dream Warriors (Listen, Freddy did become a clown starting with this film and it's cheesy as hell and completely non sensical but Englund is still great, the lead girl is actually decent and the movie is just fun as **** and not a rehash of the original like the second film. It's a camp classic with some good effects.)

3. New Nightmare (It's the best looking and directed Nightmare and it has some super compelling stuff but it's not really a Nightmare film and the ending is just awful. I didn't love Freddy's new make up or look to be honest. It's an ambitious film that doesn't quite come together and as my sig says, I don't give A's for effort. Still it is better and creepier than I remember.)
4. Dream Master (Not a good film by any standard but decently watchable and entertaining. I don't like the action movie direction, it's just freakin jarring.)
5. Freddy's Revenge (Where do I start? The gay undertones are interesting as hell but kinda odd. I don't know if I should complain because it's the most interesting thing about the film. Jessie is a boring whiny lead and so is his sorta girlfriend and bringing Freddy into the real world at a party was just an awful idea. Plus the movie is just really tedious, boring even. I'll give it this, Freddy is absolutely terrifying in this entry. Too bad about the bordem and rehashed feelings.
6. The Dream Child (Um yeah. Silly, mostly uninteresting and forgettable come to mind but Freddy is in it so I own it and watch it)
7. Freddy's Dead (Everything about the film is awful. Even the Freddy make-up looks cheap and awful. I mean I really hate Freddy's make-up in this film. Not one redeeming value in this abortion of cinema)

And the other stuff:

Freddy v Jason: I don't ask for movies like this to be good but I do expect them to be entertaining. Not only is the movie terrible but it has the shocking nerve to be boring and wholly uninterestingnin every way possible. I did like that the Freddy make-up wasn't crappy like part 6's was and I liked it better than New Nightmare's.

A Nightmare on Elm Street--2010 (I hate this movie, I really hate this movie, I really, really hate this movie)
 
One of my favorite moments of the series is when Freddy slices open Jesse (?) from part two.
 
In Nightmare 2 I like the creepy dramatic lighting when Freddy tears off the top of head and tells Jessie that, paraphrasing here, Jessie has the body and he has the brains. Does anybody else remember that scene?
 
I don't understand all the love for new nightmare I absoletly hated It.I would have rather see Wes Craven do a sequel Ignore all other sequels like Halloween H-20 did than see this.

The original and dream warriors are my favorate.I even like freddy VS Jason.

I didn't like In freddy's dead suddenly be told he had a wife and daughter.Freddy to me Is asexual.He gets off killing.He should never be Intrested In sex.Again one of many reasons I hated the remake.Freddy Kills kids he doesn't molesest them/

Part 2 Is forgetable.The dream master and dream child are cheesy as hell.They don't work as well as Dream warriors did.Still I would rather watch them over part 2,Freddy's
Dead,and new Nightmare.
 
What really creeped me out the last time I watched the original was that I realized even though Freddy's powers are seemingly limitless in the dream world, he still tried to kill Nancy the same way he would have killed her if he was still alive. Not that I don't enjoy the more creative ones of the series, like the puppet master, but I find Freddy scarier in those more personal attacks he had against Nancy.
 
They don't work as well as Dream warriors did.Still I would rather watch them over part 2,Freddy's
Dead,and new Nightmare.

Dream Warriors and 1 are by far the best and I agree 2 is friggen horrible. It's always skipped whenever me or my friends have had marathons.

Always thought Dream Master was awesome. Bout as 80s pop horror as you can get. Dramarama haha. For a film without a script it's pretty damn solid, hilarious and also has some of the best kills. The bug death still looks impressive...and painful. When the weight's snap her arms, its pretty jacked up.
 
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In Nightmare 2 I like the creepy dramatic lighting when Freddy tears off the top of head and tells Jessie that, paraphrasing here, Jessie has the body and he has the brains. Does anybody else remember that scene?

Oh yeah that was great. "I need you, Jessie. We've got special work to do here you and me. You've got the body....I've got the brain".
 
Freddy to me Is asexual.He gets off killing.He should never be Intrested In sex.Again one of many reasons I hated the remake.Freddy Kills kids he doesn't molesest them/

It's just your theory and that's okay, but that doesn't really sound right to me. There's ALWAYS been something sexual about both Freddy and the Nightmare movies.
 
Well judging by actual films It has always seemed like he got off more on killing kids than sexually abusing them.
 
I think The Dream Child had some very likable characters for a slasher movie.

It did, unfortunately it also had Freddy acting like a complete jack@$$ every time he was onscreen and ruining the movie.

I love the original Dream Warriors and New Nightmare.

I like 2 and the remake.

Not big at all on Dream Master, Dream Child or Freddy's Dead...way over the top stand up comic Freddy isn't my cup of tea.
 
I love Freddy's Revenge even though it's a bit cheesy. It's the only one that doesnt really have a comedic twist, but is more of a traditional horror-story. Also easily the one with the best score.

But yeah, Dream Warriors is no doubt the masterpiece of the Elmstreet-movies.
 
ANoES
New Nightmare
DW

There are no other Freddy movies for me.
 
I didn't like the characters in 5 AT ALL.
Even Alice and Dan, who I liked in part 4, I thought were very unlikeable. And don't get me started about the comic book nerd, probably the worst and most annoying of the bunch.
 
Well judging by actual films It has always seemed like he got off more on killing kids than sexually abusing them.

Wes Craven had to tone the story down to satisfy the MPAA. Originally Freddy both molested AND murdered the kids. Which is why making him JUST a child molester in the remake was such a s**tty idea.
I think the actual term for Freddy's psychology is a "sexual sadist". To him, torture and murder IS sex. Though there's no hard and fast rule which states that a sexual sadist's tastes can't include rape. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were typical of a sexual sadist, to rape AND torture his victims.
 
Definitely the original A Nightmare on Elm Street and Dream Warriors for me.

I really love the latter because it's not only a direct sequel to the original film, but it also doesn't fall into trap of being a soulless, uninspired cash-in. It pays tribute to the original by returning to some old ideas from the original film, tries something new with the formula (An older and wiser Nancy training a group of young people to battle Freddy in their dreams? Brilliant.), and it also ties up her story arc very nicely.

Frankly, they should've just let the series be after that film.
 
Definitely the original A Nightmare on Elm Street and Dream Warriors for me.

I really love the latter because it's not only a direct sequel to the original film, but it also doesn't fall into trap of being a soulless, uninspired cash-in. It pays tribute to the original by returning to some old ideas from the original film, tries something new with the formula (An older and wiser Nancy training a group of young people to battle Freddy in their dreams? Brilliant.), and it also ties up her story arc very nicely.

Frankly, they should've just let the series be after that film.


I totally agree with this statement. Although I must admit New Nightmare was pretty good & creepy.
 
I still say they should make a prequel movie about Freddy's reign as The Springwood Slasher, and call it Elm Street: The Nightmare Begins. I wouldn't even mind it if Jackie Earl Haley were to play the role of a pre BBQ'd Freddy, just as long as they stay far, far, FAR away from the remake's f**ked up reimagining of Freddy's origins.

And don't go "RZ's Halloween" with it either. We don't need to see Freddy's f**ked up upbringing, or his birthmother being gangraped in a hospital for the criminally insane. Just start with the first abductions and/or the discovery of the first bodies.

I'd work it kinda like Manhunter/Red Dragon, or Silence Of The Lambs. Maybe even a little of the TV movie version of Stephen King's IT. WE know who the killer is, but the police/FBI don't.

It starts off with either the abduction of a child, or the finding of a child's body. We watch as the police investigate while more kids go missing, and others are found mutilated. There will be creepy scenes of the latest abducted child in a cage being psychologically tormented by Freddy. He comes creeping up on them, scraping his knives along the walls and pipes in the boiler room, singing "One, Two, Freddy's coming for you. Three, Four, better lock your door . . ." (This is how the song originates, at least in my version of Freddy's history). Freddy takes the kids out of their cage to "play". Then when he's done with them, he kills them and dumps their bodies.

Then Freddy gets careless. A child escapes, or someone who knows him from his dayjob at the local elementary/preschool witnesses him abducting a child. They contact the police, who go to arrest him. Here we can either use the original backstory (the search warrant wasn't properly filled out), or the TV series version (the police neglect to Marandize him during his arrest, and all evidence against him comes from an illegally obtained confession). Either way, we witness the trial and his subsequent release. Then the lynch mob is formed and they hunt Freddy down and burn him alive.

Perhaps after the end credits roll, there'll be a teaser of Freddy coming back in the dreams of the little boy/little girl who got away. Perhaps even hint at an explaination of why Freddy has to wait until the kids are teenagers in order to kill them in their dreams.

I have a few theories about this, by the way.

1) He needed that long to learn how to control this new dream power.

2) He needed them to be frightened enough of him to have the strength to kill them (he had been haunting their dreams for years by the time the killings start anew, the kids just didn't remember him).

3) Children are naturally born lucid dreamers. As a child, the creative part of the brain is the most active. This is why so many children's games requires the use of imagination, why they so easily believe that a fat man in a red suit gives them presents every Christmas, and a giant rabbit hides chocolate eggs arount their house every spring. So when they dream, they're in complete control. Freddy could try entering their dreams, but then he'd find himself fighting Superman or She-Ra. But as we get older, we begin using the logical sides of our brains more. We no longer believe in Santa Claus or The Easter Bunny. Playing make believe seems silly and embarassing. And we lose the ability to control our dreams. And THAT is when Freddy strikes.

Those are my theories at least. Of course the real reason is that Hollywood has a long standing taboo against depicting violence against children. It can be implied, but never shown. They've relaxed on this a bit in recent years, but it's still a touchy subject. But you can show a lot more with teens, so that's who Freddy goes after in the movies. But a feel there should be a story cannon reason as to why he waits. Personally, I like the third explaination best.
 
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I still say they should make a prequel movie about Freddy's reign as The Springwood Slasher, and call it Elm Street: The Nightmare Begins. I wouldn't even mind it if Jackie Earl Haley were to play the role of a pre BBQ'd Freddy, just as long as they stay far, far, FAR away from the remake's f**ked up reimagining of Freddy's origins.

And don't go "RZ's Halloween" with it either. We don't need to see Freddy's f**ked up upbringing, or his birthmother being gangraped in a hospital for the criminally insane. Just start with the first abductions and/or the discovery of the first bodies.

I'd work it kinda like Manhunter/Red Dragon, or Silence Of The Lambs. Maybe even a little of the TV movie version of Stephen King's IT. WE know who the killer is, but the police/FBI don't.

It starts off with either the abduction of a child, or the finding of a child's body. We watch as the police investigate while more kids go missing, and others are found mutilated. There will be creepy scenes of the latest abducted child in a cage being psychologically tormented by Freddy. He comes creeping up on them, scraping his knives along the walls and pipes in the boiler room, singing "One, Two, Freddy's coming for you. Three, Four, better lock your door . . ." (This is how the song originates, at least in my version of Freddy's history). Freddy takes the kids out of their cage to "play". Then when he's done with them, he kills them and dumps their bodies.

Then Freddy gets careless. A child escapes, or someone who knows him from his dayjob at the local elementary/preschool witnesses him abducting a child. They contact the police, who go to arrest him. Here we can either use the original backstory (the search warrant wasn't properly filled out), or the TV series version (the police neglect to Marandize him during his arrest, and all evidence against him comes from an illegally obtained confession). Either way, we witness the trial and his subsequent release. Then the lynch mob is formed and they hunt Freddy down and burn him alive.

Perhaps after the end credits roll, there'll be a teaser of Freddy coming back in the dreams of the little boy/little girl who got away. Perhaps even hint at an explaination of why Freddy has to wait until the kids are teenagers in order to kill them in their dreams.

I have a few theories about this, by the way.

1) He needed that long to learn how to control this new dream power.

2) He needed them to be frightened enough of him to have the strength to kill them (he had been haunting their dreams for years by the time the killings start anew, the kids just didn't remember him).

3) Children are naturally born lucid dreamers. As a child, the creative part of the brain is the most active. This is why so many children's games requires the use of imagination, why they so easily believe that a fat man in a red suit gives them presents every Christmas, and a giant rabbit hides chocolate eggs arount their house every spring. So when they dream, they're in complete control. Freddy could try entering their dreams, but then he'd find himself fighting Superman or She-Ra. But as we get older, we begin using the logical sides of our brains more. We no longer believe in Santa Claus or The Easter Bunny. Playing make believe seems silly and embarassing. And we lose the ability to control our dreams. And THAT is when Freddy strikes.

Those are my theories at least. Of course the real reason is that Hollywood has a long standing taboo against depicting violence against children. It can be implied, but never shown. They've relaxed on this a bit in recent years, but it's still a touchy subject. But you can show a lot more with teens, so that's who Freddy goes after in the movies. But a feel there should be a story cannon reason as to why he waits. Personally, I like the third explaination best.

We don't need to know anything about Freddy aside from anything the original ANOES taught us. Fear at it's scariest is when it's pure darkness and when you know nothing about it. Would you be more scared of a serial killer if you knew a lot about him and why he killed and he approached you, or if you were walking down a street and he jumped out and grabbed you.

Freddy Krueger is similar to Jaws in theory. You don't have to know why the shark eats people or what other bigger sharks are out there to get him. You just know he is there to eat people, and the main interest in the victims and scenarios.

Just have Freddy Krueger kill some Elm street kids. Go back to the original in a sense and have the main protagonist build a rivalry with Krueger.
 
I can't believe I haven't posted in here yet. (Points to screen name.)

1. Anightmare on Elm Street
2. Dream Warriors
3. The Dream Master
4. Freddy's Revenge
5. Freddy vs Jason
6. Freddy's Dead
7. The Dream Child

1000. ANOES remake.

I don't list New Nightmare because I've never completely thought of it as a Freddy film. It is, most certainly, but it wasn't actually Freddy, but a demon taking his form. That said, I'd rank it about number 5 on my list and move everything else down. Its a good film, but surprisingly doesn't keep me all that interested on rewatch.

I wanted to like the remake. I really tried. But it just didn't click. I honestly think the worst offense to me was turning Freddy into a child molester. Not that I don't think he did in the originals, but I literally cannot make sense of why he would come back to life as a child/teen murderer, especially sinc ehe was clearly guilty of doing it, and not wrongfully accused like the film tried to make us believe for half the film. I will admit, Haley makes an ok replacement for Englund though, but he could have been a lot better.
 
Freddy's Revenge is the funniest of the franchise. I love it because everything I think is hilarious is unintentional. At the party when the guy offers Freddy Kreuger help and Freddy's like "Help yourself, f***er." I was dead.
 
We don't need to know anything about Freddy aside from anything the original ANOES taught us. Fear at it's scariest is when it's pure darkness and when you know nothing about it. Would you be more scared of a serial killer if you knew a lot about him and why he killed and he approached you, or if you were walking down a street and he jumped out and grabbed you.

Freddy Krueger is similar to Jaws in theory. You don't have to know why the shark eats people or what other bigger sharks are out there to get him. You just know he is there to eat people, and the main interest in the victims and scenarios.

Just have Freddy Krueger kill some Elm street kids. Go back to the original in a sense and have the main protagonist build a rivalry with Krueger.

I wasn't referring to why Freddy kills. Just why he goes from killing really young kids when he was alive, then waits sixteen years to start killing kids in their dreams.

If you look at it from a psychological viewpoint, pedophiles prey on young children while hebophiles prey on teens. It's highly unlikely that someone with one perversion/psychological defect would suddenly switch to another.

However, you are right in the main protagonists having a personal rivalry with Krueger. In a prequel, I would say a younger version of Nancy's parents. Krueger kills Nancy's older brother, making things VERY personal between Nancy's dad & The Springwood Slasher.
 
I wanted to like the remake. I really tried. But it just didn't click. I honestly think the worst offense to me was turning Freddy into a child molester. Not that I don't think he did in the originals, but I literally cannot make sense of why he would come back to life as a child/teen murderer, especially since he was clearly guilty of doing it, and not wrongfully accused like the film tried to make us believe for half the film. I will admit, Haley makes an ok replacement for Englund though, but he could have been a lot better.

They could of made him innocent , but I didn't want to feel sympathy for Freddy in the last act. I really enjoyed most of the remake. What didn't work for me was the memory loss rationale and when they borrowed specific things from the original , but didn't use them effectively. I wish we had gotten a sequel that went it's own way. Haley was a decent Freddy.


How I rank the series:

A Nightmare on Elm Street = Some cheesy moments , but it's still a great and effective story. A classic in the horror genre. I remember the first time I saw the body bag scene in the hall and that really scared me.

A Nightmare on Elm Street 3= I love the fantasy and horror elements combined. The new setting was a great idea and I really like the cast/characters.

A Nightmare on Elm Street 4= It's kind of a disappointment because they get rid of the old cast immediately and start to get formulaic. I liked Alice and the Karate Kid.

New Nightmare= I thought it was a brilliant way to being back Freddy after all the numerous sequels. Also I nice tribute to put the series to rest.

A Nightmare on Elm Street 2 = There is plenty of cheesy moments , but I thought Freddy was effectively scary. Also the bus nightmare at the beginning always stands out in my mind.

A Nightmare on Elm Street (2010)= I thought they made Freddy effectively scary for the modern audience. They shouldn't of tried to recreate some of the iconic scenes though. Especially the cgi Freddy coming out of the wall

A Nightmare on Elm Street 5= I thought some of the kills were awesome , but the main story was boring. It's kind of a depressing film to me.

Freddy's Dead = This one is terrible , but I like the new characters. It has too much comedy , but overall I still find it amusing. It's like the Batman and Robin of the Freddy franchise. Although I did get to see this in the theater so there's a bit of nostalgia.


Freddy vs Jason = I didn't like the main girl and most of the cast. However watching Freddy fight Jason was epic. I could never hate on this film. They brought the two most popular 80s horror icons in a way that kinda made sense.
 

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