2008 Academy Awards

[cerealkiller182]

I offered it as an extension, meaning its possible to look at it that way, but thats not how I looked at it. Come on dude....

What? You said my theory. How was I suppose to interpret that?

And i disagreed with you in reasoning.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

You can disagree with the message and still respect the film as an amazing film.

The people that say "this movie is teh stupid" are the people I am putting down here.

I do but Im saying I dont think people are sayiing "Its teh stupid" either

 

[Super_Ludacris]

What? You said my theory. How was I suppose to interpret that?

And i disagreed with you in reasoning.

Meaning you look at it in another way, which is what I was saying to him. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[StorminNorman]

I do but Im saying I dont think people are sayiing "Its teh stupid" either

I have heard such comments.

Anyone who doesn't think the film deserves this Oscar - for example - fall into the same category, IMO.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Meaning you look at it in another way, which is what I was saying to him. Nothing wrong with that.

You put forth a theory then when I disagreed (w/explanation as to why) then you said it wasnt your theory. Then you said "Come on dude"as if I was doing something wrong. So WTFs up?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I have heard such comments.

Anyone who doesn't think the film deserves this Oscar - for example - fall into the same category, IMO.

Cant be serious.... You could make an argument that Paul Thomas Anderson made as much of a deserving film with There Will Be Blood. Does that mean there nutty for Hannah Montana and therefore rendered stupid in your eyes as well?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Since I don't feel like typing out a long drawn out essay - I will just copy and paste this which, while not my writing, says what I want to say - and is probably briefer than I would be:

"Maybe nothing matters is too strong, maybe it's not. I dunno. I'm still kinda turnng this flick over in my head. But nihilism is a theme present in a lot of the Coens work. Blood Simple, The Man Who Wasn't There...even stuff like The Hudsucker Proxy. It's just presented more glaringly in this picture.

I guess the key to the film for me is Tommy Lee Jones. He makes the big deal about his dad, and how they were both sheriffs at the same time, and how proud that made them both. But his father was gunned down not long after, and as Ed Tom got older, he started to ask, "What was I so proud of? Did it really matter? Here I sit, 35 or so years later, and what do I have to show for it?"

He never solved his case. He never was able to protect Llewelyn. He failed. On top of that, he couldn't even protect the wife.

Speaking to other pessimisms in the film, I want to bring up the buying of clothes from strangers too. Llewelyn buys the coat off the guy at the border. He offers 500 bucks, and the guy is still a dick to him. There is this bloody guy, obviously hurt in front of you, and you don't even give him the coat before making him give you his blood stained money?

And then there is the two boys. The boy is willing to give his shirt to Anton, but Anton insists on paying for it. Once again, blood stained money is thrust at someone. And the boy accepts it, promising not to rat out Anton. As Anton limps away, the two boys begin to argue about whose money it is, or at least, who gets a cut. This to me represents a loss of innocence and the moral ambiguity (or complete lack of morals, some may argue) of all of this returns us once again to nihilism as a theme. "

Well said here.

I didn't like the ending because it didn't offer enough resolution but other than that a near flawless movie, from all of the BP noms I saw, I thought No Country deserved it's win.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

You put forth a theory then when I disagreed (w/explanation as to why) then you said it wasnt your theory. Then you said "Come on dude"as if I was doing something wrong. So WTFs up?

I said I was offering a theory to Norman and you acted like that was my sole word......WTF is up with that? lol

 

[cerealkiller182]

Cant be serious.... You could make an argument that Paul Thomas Anderson made as much of a deserving film with There Will Be Blood. Does that mean there nutty for Hannah Montana and therefore rendered stupid in your eyes as well?

Of course you could. But some people are not saying TWBB was more deserving. People are saying No country isnt deserving at all

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Well said here.

I didn't like the ending because it didn't offer enough resolution but other than that a near flawless movie, from all of the BP noms I saw, I thought No Country deserved it's win.

Thats what Im sayin but they think if someone doesnt like the film for that, they wrong. There's No Country for Sympathy, and There Will Be Hyperbole

 

[cerealkiller182]

I said I was offering a theory to Norman and you acted like that was my sole word......WTF is up with that? lol

you said, MY THEORY! Its not that crazy

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Of course you could. But some people are not saying TWBB was more deserving. People are saying No country isnt deserving at all

This thread has departed from the american beauty of great film debate and crashed into a gladiator's heat of a miscommunication that is worth more than a million dollar baby

 

[Mr. Socko]

Thats what Im sayin but they think if someone doesnt like the film for that, they wrong. There's No Country for Sympathy, and There Will Be Hyperbole

Oh I loved the film, just wasn't big on the ending.

I thought Chigurh leaving the scene was similar to the ending of Reservoir Dogs but to a less powerful extent.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Thats what Im sayin but they think if someone doesnt like the film for that, they wrong. There's No Country for Sympathy, and There Will Be Hyperbole

Theres a difference between not enjoying a film and denying it credit forbeing well-made.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Theres a difference between not enjoying a film and denying it credit forbeing well-made.

But if you dont enjoy a film doesnt mean you have to give it credit no? Im just while I loved the film, I dont think people who disagree are wrong. I think you can see both sides.

 

[cerealkiller182]

But if you dont enjoy a film doesnt mean you have to give it credit no? Im just while I loved the film, I dont think people who disagree are wrong. I think you can see both sides.

No, which is why theres a debate in the first place. I know explaining why i love the movie wont make someone enjoy it more but respect it as a great piece of cinema that was as deserving as all the nominees.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Are you implying that people should respect films they dont like and award them anyway? NCFOM has a great narration but if people didnt like it, then maybe they think explaining it makes it a little more self endulgent and even pretentious. I wish I could explain it to them, but frankly the ending left me kinda cold too. It felt so uncomplete even with the narration like "Yeah that is a good analogy for what the story parallels but it's you know.....didnt make me like it more"

But it is foward thinking narration on the Cohens part, so from me anyway credit is due.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Are you implying that people should respect films they dont like and award them anyway? NCFOM has a great narration but if people didnt like it, then maybe they think explaining it makes it a little more self endulgent and even pretentious. I wish I could explain it to them, but frankly the ending left me kinda cold too. It felt so uncomplete even with the narration like "Yeah that is a good analogy for what the story parallels but it's you know.....didnt make me like it more"

But it is foward thinking narration on the Cohens part, so from me anyway credit is due.

No, you misinterpreted. I wasnt talking about the academy, awards should be given to what nominee gets the most votes, i was talking about the fans, like the people here on the board. No Country wins, people flipbecause they didnt enjoy, but CINEMATICALLY was a well-made film. I dont care ifyour not rushing out to buy the DVD when it comes out.

For example: I dont like Titanic, Spanglish, Being John Malkovich, or The Notebook. Yet all are CINEMATICALLY well-made, I just dont enjoy experiencing the stories.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

No, you misinterpreted. I wasnt talking about the academy, awards should be given to what nominee gets the most votes, i was talking about the fans, like the people here on the board. No Country wins, people flipbecause they didnt enjoy, but CINEMATICALLY was a well-made film. I dont care ifyour not rushing out to buy the DVD when it comes out.

For example: I dont like Titanic, Spanglish, Being John Malkovich, or The Notebook. Yet all are CINEMATICALLY well-made, I just dont enjoy experiencing the stories.

I was talking about fans too. I mean I know its annoying when people crawl out of the woodwork after a film or actor who is a lock from virtually everyone to win an Oscar actually wins and only then gives there reasons but with films like this if the ending is debatable, again, it is what it is...

 

[<(o_o)>]

She's better than that.

Btw, they forgot Brad Renfro from the dead montage.

They included Heath Ledger when he pretty much died the same way, but he was more popular than Brad Renfro.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article...m_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories

Renfro's Oscar Omission
By Josh Grossberg
Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:41:25 PM PST


In the end, there was no final curtain call for Brad Renfro.

The former child star, whose high-profile credits (The Client, Apt Pupil) were eventually overshadowed by his drug-fueled extracurriculars, died Jan. 15 of an accidental heroin overdose. He was 25.

But while his death rattled Hollywood, it failed to register with the older-skewing powers that be at the Motion Picture Academy, who declined to include him in Oscar's "in memoriam" segment paying tribute to fallen Industry folks.

The traditional montage featured remembrances of 98 actors, filmmakers, writers, technicians, studio suits and other insiders—some of whom virtually unknown to the general public. Indeed, only a few warranted more than polite applause from attendees in the Kodak Theater.

The Academy concluded the tribute with an image of Heath Ledger, the onetime Oscar nominee for Brokeback Mountain who was found dead from an accidental prescription drug overdose exactly one week after Renfro's passing.

(Coincidentally, nearly a decade ago, Renfro auditioned to play Mel Gibson's son in The Patriot, the role which launched Ledger's career.)

Renfro's family could be not reached for comment, however, TMZ reported that those close to the actor were hurt by the omission.

Academy publicist Leslie Unger told E! News that there was never any intention to slight or ignore Renfro in the posthumous honor roll.

"In any given year, we are not able to include everyone who has past away, and because we very much want to include people who worked in all aspects of filmmaking, not just actors and actresses, this means that sometimes well-known individuals are not included," Unger said.

Renfro was discovered by a casting director in his hometown of Knoxville, Tennessee, at the age of 10 and hired for 1994's The Client opposite Susan Sarandon and Tommy Lee Jones. He followed that up a year later starring as Huck Finn in Disney's Tom and Huck.

Other notable credits included 1996's Sleepers (in an ensemble that included Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Brad Pitt and Kevin Bacon), 1998's Apt Pupil (playing opposite Ian McKellen), 2001's Ghost World (with Scarlett Johansson and Thora Birch) and 2005's The Jacket (with Naomi Watts and Adrien Brody).

Most recently he guested on Law & Order: Criminal Intent, starred in the little-seen indie drama 10th & Wolf and, before his death, finished The Informers, with Billy Bob Thornton and Winona Ryder, due out later this year.

 

[cerealkiller182]

They included Heath Ledger when he pretty much died the same way, but he was more popular than Brad Renfro.

Are you implying he shouldnt have been remembered because of Ledger?

 

[cerealkiller182]

I was talking about fans too. I mean I know its annoying when people crawl out of the woodwork after a film or actor who is a lock from virtually everyone to win an Oscar actually wins and only then gives there reasons but with films like this if the ending is debatable, again, it is what it is...

what do you mean by this?

 

[Shifty]

Did they even have Roy Scheider?

Bill Hader with another dead on impression.

"I Drink Your Milk Shake"
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=221737

 

[JTStarkiller]

Scheider died after February 1.

 

[Shifty]

Scheider died after February 1.

Yeah I just read the MTV article saying his Feb.10 death was too close. How long does it take to grab two clips from French Connection and Jaws and a photo of him?

Lazy Oscar crew.