2008 NCAA Football Thread

[Immortalfire]

BCS, burn in hell.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Playoffs? Playoffs?

 

[BlackLantern]

whoever in the NCAA decided the BCS was a good idea should burn in hell....if the networks weren't so ****ing greedy, they could all boycott the BCS games to put pressure on the NCAA to make a change....

 

[Mister J]

I'm loving the angry BCS commentary at several websites.
Although, most of it is insanely biased.

Texas gained ground in both human polls, even surpassing Oklahoma in the Harris Poll, so it came down the computers ...which is even better for controversy.

It seems like the voters were susceptible to whatever politicking or tried to create a certain matchup. I don't know in what Bizarro universe is a 40-point home victory over your 4-7 rival better regarded than a 20-point road victory over your 9-2 rival, who just happens to be ranked #12.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It's the result of the Red River Shootout in Dallas that should weigh the most in voters' minds.

Hey man. I'm an Aggie. I hate 'em too. But this is ********.

 

[Immortalfire]

It's the result of the Red River Shootout in Dallas that should weigh the most in voters' minds.

My thinking exactly. Texas beat OK in head to head combat. They get in.

Fools.

 

[Mister J]

Why do so many people want to leave Texas Tech out of the equation? It's a three-way tie in the Big 12 South. Last play of the game or not, Tech beat Texas head-to-head, so they have a gripe if Texas goes. Singling out the direct competition doesn't get you anywhere in this scenario.

 

[FaT_tONle]

OU deserves to be in probably more than Texas... TCU and Cinn... playing the best at the moment... dismantling Tech... if you add up point differential they'd edge both teams... plus they still have to play another ranked opponent on a neutral field to prove themselves worthy... but the fact that Texas may get in over USC should OU lose next week??? That's 2001 Nebraska over Oregon all over again... not even a plus one would fix this mess.

The only solution is to get the Rose Bowl in line... the Big 10 will never give up the money that game generates... they and the Pac 10 get so much revenue from that game... as long as the Big 10/Pac 10 have that independent deal with the Rose Bowl and ABC... we'll never get any kind of playoff... you know what I say??? Ban both the Big 10/Pac 10 from any playoff system and whala... the other conferences aren't against a playoff system. That's the only solution... distance yourself from those two conferences.

 

[Green Lantern]

OU deserves to be in probably more than Texas... TCU and Cinn... playing the best at the moment... dismantling Tech... if you add up point differential they'd edge both teams... plus they still have to play another ranked opponent on a neutral field to prove themselves worthy... but the fact that Texas may get in over USC should OU lose next week??? That's 2001 Nebraska over Oregon all over again... not even a plus one would fix this mess.

The only solution is to get the Rose Bowl in line... the Big 10 will never give up the money that game generates... they and the Pac 10 get so much revenue from that game... as long as the Big 10/Pac 10 have that independent deal with the Rose Bowl and ABC... we'll never get any kind of playoff... you know what I say??? Ban both the Big 10/Pac 10 from any playoff system and whala... the other conferences aren't against a playoff system. That's the only solution... distance yourself from those two conferences.

TCU and Cincy are nullified by Winless Washington and one win Chattanooga. Whereas we didn't even PLAY a FCS school. We played an SEC school, we played 9-3 Rice. The worst non-conference opponent we played was 5-7 Arkansas, who played in the OTHER tough conference. Out of those seven losses for them? Florida, Alabama, and Texas. So don't even say their strength of schedule was better than ours. We didn't play a Division I-AA school. Let alone a D I-AA school that only beat a Division III school. The key factor is that we beat them on NEUTRAL GROUND by DOUBLE DIGITS. We lost on ENEMY GROUND, by less then a touchdown, on the LAST play of the game.

But why should head to head matter at all? The regular season is pointless, all that matters is how the computers see you at the end of the season. Congratulations OU, on your ill deserved shot at the Conference championship. 45-35 is all I have to say. Well that... and...

Go Tigers!

 

[FaT_tONle]

TCU and Cincy are nullified by Winless Washington and one win Chattanooga. Whereas we didn't even PLAY a FCS school. We played an SEC school, we played 9-3 Rice. The worst non-conference opponent we played was 5-7 Arkansas, who played in the OTHER tough conference. Out of those seven losses for them? Florida, Alabama, and Texas. So don't even say their strength of schedule was better than ours. We didn't play a Division I-AA school. Let alone a D I-AA school that only beat a Division III school. The key factor is that we beat them on NEUTRAL GROUND by DOUBLE DIGITS. We lost on ENEMY GROUND, by less then a touchdown, on the LAST play of the game.

But why should head to head matter at all? The regular season is pointless, all that matters is how the computers see you at the end of the season. Congratulations OU, on your ill deserved shot at the Conference championship. 45-35 is all I have to say. Well that... and...

Go Tigers!

The bottom line is... it's a THREE WAY TIE... you can't just write off Tech because they got blown out ON THE ROAD to OU... that's actually a complement to OU as Stoops rightfully pointed out. If you add the point differential... YOU LOSE... simple as that. I am positive OU would edge both teams if you did total point differential of all common games. That's basic math... add it up.

 

[Immortalfire]

Lane Kiffin to be officially introduced on Monday...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-tennessee-kiffin&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[Green Lantern]

The bottom line is... it's a THREE WAY TIE... you can't just write off Tech because they got blown out ON THE ROAD to OU... that's actually a complement to OU as Stoops rightfully pointed out. If you add the point differential... YOU LOSE... simple as that. I am positive OU would edge both teams if you did total point differential of all common games. That's basic math... add it up.

Here's basic math for you then: Texas's loss 6 points. Oklahoma's loss 10 points. Tech's loss 44 points. Seems simple doesn't it? Point differential was NOT a part of the equation. Computers decided the fate of the Big XII, not the players on the field.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Here's basic math for you then: Texas's loss 6 points. Oklahoma's loss 10 points. Tech's loss 44 points. Seems simple doesn't it? Point differential was NOT a part of the equation. Computers decided the fate of the Big XII, not the players on the field.

So how much you win by counts for nothing? Then it doesn't matter that Texas beat OU by ten points... I mean if that's the logic that we are going to use. Am I right or am I wrong???

Bottom line is... you can't use a strength of schedule/victory in college football because the field is over 100 teams and there are virtually no common non conference opponents. Non conference schedule is COMPELTELY random and should in no way account for a conference tie breaker... PERIOD.

So the next logical thing is... if the division record is identical... if the conference record is identical... and if we can not use non conference schedules to determine a conference tie-breaker... the next logical thing? Point differential among commmon opponents... OU wins by a MILE!!!!!!!!! And we don't know all the things the computers factor... I just think point differential swayed enough voters on OU's side to put them over the top... especially blowing out Tech like they did.

The other thing they can do is strength of victory of conference games like the NFL does. Add the win-loss total (games played within the Big 12) of the teams beaten by the schools involved in the tie. I haven't done that yet... you have an argument there if you edge OU in that department.

 

[Green Lantern]

So how much you win by counts for nothing? Then it doesn't matter that Texas beat OU by ten points... I mean if that's the logic that we are going to use. Am I right or am I wrong???

Bottom line is... you can't use a strength of schedule/victory in college football because the field is over 100 teams and there are virtually no common non conference opponents. Non conference schedule is COMPELTELY random and should in no way account for a conference tie breaker... PERIOD.

So the next logical thing is... if the division record is identical... if the conference record is identical... and if we can not use non conference schedules to determine a conference tie-breaker... the next logical thing? Point differential among commmon opponents... OU wins by a MILE!!!!!!!!! And we don't know all the things the computers factor... I just think point differential swayed enough voters on OU's side to put them over the top... especially blowing out Tech like they did.

The other thing they can do is strength of victory of conference games like the NFL does. Add the win-loss total (games played within the Big 12) of the teams beaten by the schools involved in the tie. I haven't done that yet... you have an argument there if you edge OU in that department.

Okay then:
Oklahoma's Big XII Opponents:
Team Record Combined Record
Baylor 4-8 4-8
Texas 11-1 15-9
Kansas 7-5 22-14
K-State 5-7 27-21
Nebraska 8-4 35-25
A&M 4-8 39-33
Tech 11-1 50-34
Ok State 9-3 50-37

Tech played the same opponents as OU
Texas played Colorado (5-7) instead of K-State (5-7), and Missouri (9-3) instead of Nebraska (8-4) making their opponents record 60-36. Advantage: Texas.

 

[Green Lantern]

Also, the SEC uses the same fifth tiebreaker but with this notable exception: If the three way tie still stands, it shall be broken by the team that is higher ranked in the BCS rankings, unless another tied team is within five rankings of them, and then head to head will be taken into account between the highest two.

Advantage Texas, again.

 

[kane9321]

Hey I hate texas with a passion,but they got hosed.....bcs is the biggest joke ever

 

[Soundwave]

I don't understand all of the crying from Texas fans. You do realize that if Oklahoma lost to OSU that it would have been Texas Tech in the title game and not Texas. I love how UT fans conveniently leave out the fact that they lost to Texas Tech. This was a 3-WAY tie, not 2. Why should head to head matter with Oklahoma but not Texas Tech. Face it Longhorns, you didn't get screwed. You open yourself up to this kind of mess by not taking care of business and winning all of your games. If you want to blame someone, blame the safety who dropped the interception that would have sealed the deal in Lubbock. So tell me UT fans, if Texas should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma, why shouldn't Tech be ranked ahead of Texas?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Okay then:
Oklahoma's Big XII Opponents:
Team Record Combined Record
Baylor 4-8 4-8
Texas 11-1 15-9
Kansas 7-5 22-14
K-State 5-7 27-21
Nebraska 8-4 35-25
A&M 4-8 39-33
Tech 11-1 50-34
Ok State 9-3 50-37

Tech played the same opponents as OU
Texas played Colorado (5-7) instead of K-State (5-7), and Missouri (9-3) instead of Nebraska (8-4) making their opponents record 60-36. Advantage: Texas.

I think you may have to re-do those numbers... do not take into account non conference opponents of those teams... only add up Big 12 conference totals... so basically look only at the conference record of teams in the North.... I'll do it myself actually:

Missouri (19) 5-3
Nebraska 5-3
Kansas 4-4
Colorado 2-6
Kansas State 2-6
Iowa State 0-8

And if my math is correct... it's a push... advantage OU based on point differential...

If you want to blame someone, blame the safety who dropped the interception that would have sealed the deal in Lubbock. So tell me UT fans, if Texas should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma, why shouldn't Tech be ranked ahead of Texas?

Kid probably has a noose tied up somwhere ready to go....

 

[Dr. Evil]

Sucks for all of the Boise State fans who will have to go to a second tier bowl. On the other hand, that second tier bowl could be in Las Vegas.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Ohio St doesn't belong in a BCS bowl.

 

[Immortalfire]

Lane Kiffin's wife is damn hot.. http://www.collegeotr.com/universit...nessee_wife_layla_kiffin_brings_hotness_16025

 

[redfirebird2008]

Texas fans whining. I love it. I hate OU but I don't like UT either. It's pretty amusing to watch the griping. I'm sure OU's fans would be whining just as much. Either way it's pretty funny to see the griping. Tech got screwed over just as bad, if not worse, than UT. They're not even in the BCS. They're headed for the Cotton Bowl on January 2nd in the middle of the day, when most people will be at work. $18 million and BCS attention vs. $3 million and no attention at all. I'd rather be in UT's position.

 

[Immortalfire]

Weis will return to Notre Dame in '09...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-notredame-weis&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

[BlackLantern]

Lane Kiffin's wife is damn hot.. http://www.collegeotr.com/universit...nessee_wife_layla_kiffin_brings_hotness_16025

I bet she's happy to be out of Oakland.....I think Kiffin is going to turn things around at Rocky Top

 

[Immortalfire]

Some of the TN crowd are already thinking that because of Kiffin, Aaron Murray is going to switch his commitment from Georgia to them.