6.04 Arrow - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[greenlantern248]

Does anyone know where I can download this episode, I was working thursday so I missed it.

Thanks

 

[Batgort]

CW is airing Smallville re-run from the Thursday airing on Sunday nights, so catch it then.

We don't download episodes around here, we support our favorite show by purchasing the DVDs.

 

[greenlantern248]

Thanks, and I do purchase the dvd I have all the seasons

 

[user123456789]

Thanks, and I do purchase the dvd I have all the seasons

torrents

 

[Arach Knight]

Torrents? Pfff...what are you people doing...living in 2004? Youtube exists for a reason :P

 

[Venomfan]

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

its a type of glove archers use, it helps A LOT

 

[The Sage]

its a type of glove archers use, it helps A LOT

Aren't there other gloves that fit the entire hand that can work? Leaving a few fingers exposed doesn't work for a guy who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, IMO.

 

[user123456789]

The SmarkVille Rant - "Arrow"

Ollie boma-ye! Ollie boma-ye!

It's all about the Ollie.

Was it me, or was this episode very Batman 1989-ish? With the mystery surrounding Green Arrow and the reveal at the end?

Let's get down to business.

.90 Run? I'd say so.

The Good -

Oliver Queen/Green Arrow. My first thoughts initially from his debut was..."they used the same cheesy vigilante music from that episode with the stupid Huntress ripoff! Hahaha!!" Fortunately I was jumping to conclusions, as that generic Elfman theme was only heard once. I initially thought the shot of Green Arrow ascending up the Luthor Corp looked cheap. Upon second viewing, it looked much better. The debut of the Emerald Archer was handled very well, from his stealing to his one-line quips to his trick arrows.


A very famous staple in his myth, the trick arrows are just as revered as the batarangs. I was hoping to see the boxing glove arrow , but no go. Maybe next time.

They also have alluded to Ollie's origin:


To my knowledge, Ollie landed on a deserted island after being washed overboard during an ocean cruise. I never read anything about his parents, so can't say whether this is right or not. But it's another great tie-in.

I loved the pacifist/fascist comment, and I hope to hear more about Ollie's political stance since that's one of the things he's known for. He was kinda Batman-ish, though that is to be expected. Crossbow was sweet, the regular bow was borderline ridiculous and almost had me flashing back to some of the crazy utlity belt gimmicks from Batman incarnations. But, it worked. Ollie's a millionnaire, so using he'd have the money to fashion a weapon like his bow. I've got comments on the costume for later. The voice synthesizer...nice touch.

I'm also digging the Green Arrow theme, or whatever gets played when Ollie is on screen. It has a swashbuckling flair to it which suits the character. Being a fan of Robin Hood and Zorro, it pulls my heart a bit.

Lex was smooth this week, and this is two weeks where I have been happy with Lex. His paranoia for Lana is well-warranted considering his last relationship ended with a nasty betrayal.

Clark was okay this week. I have my nitpicks about some of the things with him, but that's for later. His view of right and wrong is becoming blurred (though you'd think it already was). Ollie seems to be the one who will take Clark on the next step towards heroism, having going out helping people instead of waiting for someone to come to him like he's a private eye. Clark being concerned for Lois dating someone leading a double-life...good. He's experienced the consequences of it with Lana and knows how it will end. More specifically, it sets up the future romance with Lois, as he knows that he has to be completely honest with her in order for the relationship to work. Speaking of metaphors...

Hey, Lana seemed interesting for once.

The double-life metaphor was all over the place. Clark Kent - Smallville farmboy/superpowered alien; Lois Lane - Inquisitor writer/Chief of Staff. Oliver Queen - Boy millionnaire/Robin Hood styled vigilante. Then you have Lana playing Lex and showing new sides to her character. And of course, you have to wonder if Lionel really is leading a double-life himself.

The Bad:

One thing that annoyed me was Clark's reason for entering the investigation: He doesn't want his mother to be in debt to Lionel. Didn't make any sense to me. Lionel gives Martha a necklace to wear for the ball, he loans it to her. It gets stolen. Don't see how she would be in his debt. Just seemed like a forced way for Clark to get involved. Maybe I'm thinking too much about it.


The Queen coat of arms' shot made it way too obvious that it would be important to the story, especially since they hung the camera on it too long. You knew it would get referenced later. Nothing serious.

While Lana being curious about the technology made for interesting development, especially with the intentions of protecting Lex, her blackmailing people? Don't buy it. Felt way out of character for her. I can't imagine her blackmailing anybody. It felt very awkward. And maybe I don't remember, but did she know about the technology in Lex's possession before moving in?

Clark had me rolling my eyes this week. First, why didn't he use his x-ray vision to peer through Green Arrow's disguise? Wouldn't that be his first instinct? Next, he tosses GA through some museum artifact, not only revealing his abilities but setting off the alarm. At this stage, I would think Clark has gotten smarter in publicly using his powers. Now GA knows he has abilities, and museum cameras probably caught them on video. I mean, the videos caught Clark's blur on camera in season one. And couldn't the security guard have gotten a good look at CK before fading out?

Ollie gets defensive when Clark questions Green Arrow's code of honor. Then, he reveals that all of the stuff that's been stolen has been bought off of the blackmarket. Ollie has inadvertently given away that he's Green Arrow...and Clark is only in shock over the blackmarket scams? Ha, amazing. Is Clark thickheaded or what?

Green Arrow's three fingered gloves. A nitpick, but a guy who's thief would usually cover his entire hand. Wouldn't his fingerprints be on the last thing he stole? Or if he touched anything in the area?

Other thoughts:
I also found it funny that Lionel told Clark it's not wise to advertise your vulnerabilities, then later on Clark advertises his powers to Green Arrow. Some neat foreshadowing.

Does it anger Chloe that she's stuck writing obituaries in the basement while her cousin Lois, who is just now doing journalism while Chloe's been doing it since high school, is now writing headlines? Yeah, it's a tabloid, but it's a headline. Then top it off that Lois asks her to help with research. Feel the burn!!

The costume: I thought it looked like something an action figure would wear when basing it off of the stills. Seeing it in action and movement, I think it works great. A modern take on the classic GA/Robin Hood look.




If I had to nitpick anything, it'd be the gloves and the sunglasses. See above comments about the gloves. I think he should've worn a domino mask. He's Green Arrow, not Blade. And I don't think it would've looked anymore ridiculous. How could the mask stick to his face? Spirit gum. Batman & Robin sucks, but I like how they designed Nightwing's mask. Maybe a dark green mask could've worked. With lenses that have nightvision. Those starlight lenses that are the rage with millionnaire vigilantes. Too campy? Umm, hello, trick arrows?

In his early days, Ollie didn't have a beard. So he used a fake one when he went out as Green Arrow. Wish that was incorporated here. Would've made it even better.

Clark's thinking issues and Lana blackmailing people aside, this was a very good episode, especially because of Hartley's work as Green Arrow. I'm guessing this arc will carry first part of the season, which is great but kinda sad and awkward at the same time.

****1/4 stars for this one.

AWESOME review!

 

[user123456789]

"Let's take off those glasses....."

-Lois Lane

AHAHAHAH!!!!!111 classic superman!!!!!

 

[The Caped Knight]

"Let's take off those glasses....."

-Lois Lane

AHAHAHAH!!!!!111 classic superman!!!!!

Indeed t:

 

[Brainiac 8]

I loved how the episode showed Lois' knack for naming Superheroes.t:

 

[dark_b]

why does clark have brown hair?

 

[The Batman]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.

 

[celldog]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.

No he's not. Batman would never steal from the rich.

But if you know GA history, he's really a copy of Batman. Arrow cave, Arrow car etc..........

 

[avidreader]

GA is too much like batman.

And ASS is right....if they really wanted bruce on the show, they couldve given him an alias. Adam Knight wouldve been perfect for that.

They ARE NOT allowed to. Batman and any of his aliases are off limits.

Dont you guys think that if they could get Batman they would in a heartbeat? Tom Welling has even been begging for it, but TPTB wont give it to them.

We got Green Arrow with some Batman traits thrown in to keep the fans happy and if you're not happy then you'll just have to get over it.

 

[AgentPat]

Regarding Clark showing off his abilities to Oliver in the museum, he had just caught Queen's arrow in mid flight and stopped Ollie's useless girlyman attempt to clock him to the floor with a thrown fist. Green Arrow doesn't have any superpowers, so punching Clark is like punching a brick wall. Probably hurts more, too LOL. The 30 ft. chuck just capped it off, not to mention the fact that such a gag is a SV staple. I also think it's logical to assume Oliver disabled any cameras before he entered the room. He casually reset the laser motion detectors, so any cameras would have been a no-brainer.

Contrary to popular opinion, Clark isn't dumb LOL, but it's no secret that he thinks with his physicality first before intellect. I always get a chuckle from Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor in S:TM when he says, brains over muscle, or something to that effect. Batman in the comics is the same way to Superman.

SV's Clark is true to Superman form when it comes to the "I'm not here to play games" 'tude. He's an immovable object and he knows it, but stopping somebody without hurting them is difficult. So when somebody continues to push Clark's buttons, he tosses them around like a rag doll. In the Smallville-verse, the Kryptonian super chuck stops all non-superpowered villains without killing them. It's a cliché that works - whether Lexod does it to Lionel, Alien Barbie does it to Lana, or Eric Summers does it to Clark.

Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

 

[The Batman]

No he's not. Batman would never steal from the rich.

But if you know GA history, he's really a copy of Batman. Arrow cave, Arrow car etc..........

Yes...he kind of is too much like batman.

And guess what? That was the golden age. You know what happened after that? Green Arrow actually became his own character.

How about that?

 

[The Question]

Aren't there other gloves that fit the entire hand that can work? Leaving a few fingers exposed doesn't work for a guy who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, IMO.

Archery requires a good deal of finger dexterity. You want some fingers covered so you don't injure yoruself, but others exposed so you can handle it delecately.

 

[blksuperman2]

Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

I really thought that they were going to delve into that more. That was my first thought when Martha's necklace was stollen. I figured he was just trying to get Clark's attention. Maybe to test his resolve. But then when they met face to face. He looked really shocked at how he couldn't stun him with the electro arrow or knock him out.

 

[The Sage]

Archery requires a good deal of finger dexterity. You want some fingers covered so you don't injure yoruself, but others exposed so you can handle it delecately.

Understood, but for a guy who goes around acting like Robin Hood with the stealing from the rich thing, aren't there other alternative gloves he could use? Have fingers exposed could leave behind fingerprints. That's all I'm saying.

 

[The Sage]

Yes...he kind of is too much like batman.

And guess what? That was the golden age. You know what happened after that? Green Arrow actually became his own character.

How about that?

Agreed. Though this GA is an amalgamation of Olliver Queen and Bruce Wayne. I even have a hunch that Ollie's motivation for becoming Green Arrow is tied into his parents' drowning instead of doing it to rebel against his responsibilities. No complaints really, as long as that's the extent of it.

 

[avidreader]

Understood, but for a guy who goes around acting like Robin Hood with the stealing from the rich thing, aren't there other alternative gloves he could use? Have fingers exposed could leave behind fingerprints. That's all I'm saying.

Why is it so hard to assume that he wipes away his fingerprints from whatever he steals. Do they have to show you every minute little detail?

 

[The Sage]

Regarding Clark showing off his abilities to Oliver in the museum, he had just caught Queen's arrow in mid flight and stopped Ollie's useless girlyman attempt to clock him to the floor with a thrown fist. Green Arrow doesn't have any superpowers, so punching Clark is like punching a brick wall. Probably hurts more, too LOL. The 30 ft. chuck just capped it off, not to mention the fact that such a gag is a SV staple. I also think it's logical to assume Oliver disabled any cameras before he entered the room. He casually reset the laser motion detectors, so any cameras would have been a no-brainer.

Except that it wouldn't really matter if the cameras caught him or not. Ollie was dressed as Green Arrow so they couldn't get a shot of him anyway. And Clark chucking guys in very public places like museums is silly. I can understand when it's abandoned buildings like in Run, but in museums, no. It's too risky. And in the sixth season, I would think Clark would come to terms with that. Also, Clark threw Ollie before any arrows were shot at him, so Clark made the first move and revealed his powers

Contrary to popular opinion, Clark isn't dumb LOL, but it's no secret that he thinks with his physicality first before intellect. I always get a chuckle from Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor in S:TM when he says, brains over muscle, or something to that effect. Batman in the comics is the same way to Superman.


SV's Clark is true to Superman form when it comes to the "I'm not here to play games" 'tude. He's an immovable object and he knows it, but stopping somebody without hurting them is difficult. So when somebody continues to push Clark's buttons, he tosses them around like a rag doll. In the Smallville-verse, the Kryptonian super chuck stops all non-superpowered villains without killing them. It's a cliché that works - whether Lexod does it to Lionel, Alien Barbie does it to Lana, or Eric Summers does it to Clark.

Clark showing off his abilities to someone who didn't know he had abilities comes off as stupid IMO. It's understandable if he didn't have a choice like in Rogue, but here he did have the choice.

Oh, one more thing, regarding the Robin Hood M.O. and stealing from the rich to give tot he poor - I thought that was all part of Ollie's plan? Based on future episode's spoilers, he's doing that to flush out other "heroes," right? He had his suspicions in Sneeze when his employee told him there was somebody else in the room with special abilities when Lex and Lana was saved from the fire. Whether or not he set his sights on Clark by targeting Lionel's gift to Martha is debatable, but he apparently knew that Flannel King Clark - based out of a Kansas farm loft no less - was saving people.

Nice of Clark to let Ollie know it was him who had the abilities. Yep. Mhmm.

 

[The Sage]

Why is it so hard to assume that he wipes away his fingerprints from whatever he steals. Do they have to show you every minute little detail?

Heh, I honestly doubt he wiped his fingerprints while moving. That's too many fingerprints to be wiping away.

 

[avidreader]

Heh, I honestly doubt he wiped his fingerprints while moving. That's too many fingerprints to be wiping away.

It was only the item that he stole that would have had fingerprints. Everything else was dismantled with his arrows. So I dont see what fingerprints he would have left.

Ya know though, its not CSI, they really arent telling their story in that fashion.