6.12 Labyrinth - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Different look? Yeah, I'll say...

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He looks great! Soooo not a kid anymore.

And while I'm not gonna try to guess what Welling's workout routine is like, he's obviously keeping up his mass, which isn't easy to do w/o lifting...

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(note the vascularity still clearly visible in his arms, flat gut, no double chin, thick neck and pecs, etc.)

...as WELL as keep up the aerobics...

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(photo credit Jana, taken last month)

Where this "soft" nonsense is coming from, I'll never know. The man's a brick outhouse. C'mon peeps. :rolleyes:
 
Where this "soft" nonsense is coming from, I'll never know. The man's a brick outhouse. C'mon peeps. :rolleyes:

Do you think that people are just getting used to a skinny (i.e. swimmers body) Superman?

I much prefer the brick outhouse version of Superman that Tom's developed into. He's always been a tall guy, but as he's approaching 30 he is bigger and stronger looking than ever.
 
I much prefer the brick outhouse version of Superman that Tom's developed into. He's always been a tall guy, but as he's approaching 30 he is bigger and stronger looking than ever.

Ditto! :up: :heart:

(And that pic of Tom jogging was taken the 5th/6th of January)
 
triplet's review said:
Tom was outstandingly gorgeous in Labyrinth. It's not like he's ever been ugly or anything, but he was especially beautiful in this episode. Maybe it was the longer hair or the paler make-up or the non-Clark-like colors he wore or the fact that he looked taller than normal...





He's getting soft aka losing muscle, so it should make him look lankier.

I think he stopped lifting.

Prob just plays sports for fun now or something to stay active.

Oh, puhleeeze...

I wasn't talking about him getting "lanky".... I was talking about his height and bulk.

He looked HUGE in Labyrinth.

It may have been the low camera angles they used or the fact that he was clearly the biggest guy on the screen. Even the goons in the hospital were puny compared to him.
 
Do you think that people are just getting used to a skinny (i.e. swimmers body) Superman?

I much prefer the brick outhouse version of Superman that Tom's developed into. He's always been a tall guy, but as he's approaching 30 he is bigger and stronger looking than ever.

Oh, I definitely agree. This 'soft' talk is utter sacrilege, far as I'm concerned. Tom Welling is THE ideal built for Superman.
 
tom reminds me of a picture alex ross did of superman sitting in his comfy seat in his house, his shirt half open and dishevelled revealing his superman shield. i can definitely see tom turning into that. i'll try and find it for you guys- he's definitely not skinny.
 
Their are so many things wrong with that^
 
I think the picture is really well done actually.


But, it would be funny if someone maniped a beer in his hand.:oldrazz:
 
Different look? Yeah, I'll say...

labyrinth6.jpg


He looks great! Soooo not a kid anymore.

And while I'm not gonna try to guess what Welling's workout routine is like, he's obviously keeping up his mass, which isn't easy to do w/o lifting...

labyrinth4.jpg

(note the vascularity still clearly visible in his arms, flat gut, no double chin, thick neck and pecs, etc.)

...as WELL as keep up the aerobics...

jogging.jpg

(photo credit Jana, taken last month)

Where this "soft" nonsense is coming from, I'll never know. The man's a brick outhouse. C'mon peeps. :rolleyes:


Hes soft, its a fact, anybody who works out will tell you he is not in the shape he was. Hes still in pretty good shape, but he was in better shape in seasons past. Hell I am in better shape then he is, and he has the money to hire a personal trainer. Why do you think the shirtless scenes have decreased so much? No one is saying he is fat, just that he has gained alot of extra fat.
 
Ummm.... Me no understand fat/soft/lanky talk....

So I thought I'd repost an observation from Miss Dee over at TWOP that I think is an accurate summation about how Clark feels about Lana now. While I don't agree with some of the Chlark-ier sentiments she points out, I do sort of agree with this interpretation:

Miss Dee said:
But that last part still has a place in this story and has to be dealt with. Thankfully, the last scene at the Talon really underscores the idea that Clark's feelings for Lana are not a healthy thing. First of all, Clark assures Lana he had a "dream" and not a "nightmare." People were genuinely outraged over this, wondering how come Clark didn't consider his AU experience a nightmare. My answer? Clark is not talking about the AU. This is proven by his next statement: Clark describes to Lana how he bought her a ring when they were ten years old to ask her to marry him. The interesting part about this statement? It never happened. Not only did it not happen in real life, it didn't even happen in the AU - Lana told him it happened in the AU, which is an entirely different thing. So why does Clark describe this to Lana as a dream he had? It doesn't make sense until you consider that the dream Clark is talking about is Lana herself.

Think about it. The Lana Clark sees in the AU is the Lana that we all thought we saw at the beginning of the series: wholesome, innocent, loyal, steadfast, faithful. That got blown in the first season when we saw her wavering between Whitney and Clark; it was incinerated in later seasons when we watched her read Chloe's letter, tell Chloe she doesn't consider her close enough to be a sister, waffle between Adam and Clark, Jason and Clark, now Lex and Clark... Lana was never AU!Lana. But at the beginning of the series we thought she might be, and so did Clark. He's seen her as AU!Lana all these years; the point of this AU-episode is that it's a metaphor for Clark being willing to twist reality to match his Lana-dream. But now, after his experience in the AU, he's beginning to realize that AU!Lana never existed in that world or this one... she was a dream of his from the very beginning, one he made up when he was five years old and gazing at her from afar through the telescope.

I think that's why Clark describes to Lana an incident that never happened as a dream... it's a way of indirectly saying to her that he's been in love with a girl for all this time and is only now starting to understand that that girl was never real. It's something he wanted to have happened... he wanted Lana to be that wholesome girl that's been in love with him and he with her since they were ten... but it never did, and more significantly, maybe the entirety of his interaction with her since high school has been no more real than that ring-giving incident, because the girl he was interacting with never really existed except in his mind. Significantly, Lana asks him what happened after he gave her the ring... and his answer? "I woke up." Clark is waking up, y'all. The look on his face after Lex and Lana walk off is one of sadness, but it's not "Aw, Lex got my girl" sadness - it's "Maybe the girl I love doesn't even exist" sadness.

As for Lana looking back at him... oh come on, are we really surprised? Lana's been on the arm of the guy she has and simultaneously looking at the guy she doesn't have for about six years now. This is just same ****, different day with her.


http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3150619&view=findpost&p=6981523
 
No one is saying he is out of shape, just that he could be in better shape.
 
Their are so many things wrong with that^

its realism. i love that pic because its superman when he's not superman or clark kent - he's just himself. and alex ross is the best comic book artist of our generation- he's employed to do all the covers for DC hardbacks as well as doing justice. type it into google and be astounded...
 
Ummm.... Me no understand fat/soft/lanky talk....

So I thought I'd repost an observation from Miss Dee over at TWOP that I think is an accurate summation about how Clark feels about Lana now. While I don't agree with some of the Chlark-ier sentiments she points out, I do sort of agree with this interpretation:




http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=3150619&view=findpost&p=6981523

I read that the other day too Raku, and I thought she made some valid points, some not so valid. The thing I didnt understand is, that she said Clark in his AU never gave Lana a ring. But he did. Or did I misinterpret what she was trying to say.
 
Thanks for bringing that interpretation over here, RakuMon. :) I cant say I agree with much of it though.

But that last part still has a place in this story and has to be dealt with. Thankfully, the last scene at the Talon really underscores the idea that Clark's feelings for Lana are not a healthy thing. First of all, Clark assures Lana he had a "dream" and not a "nightmare."


I dont think Clark's feelings for Lana are unhealthy, and I also dont think that Clark thinks that. I think he has become mature over recent years to realize and accept some of the pitfalls in his relationship with Lana, and that it sometimes ends up hurting both of them, especially Lana, unwittingly who he feels for so much. This AU, where everything was exagerated and heightened, the Lana bits did confuse Clark I'm sure, but I think he realized that once he snapped out of it. That things weren't quite 'right.' But I dont think one of those things was feeling his love for Lana was unhealthy. If anything it reinforced to him that he still loved her. But at the same time he also fully knew his greater purpose. And it wasn;t a ''omg, unhealthy, I'm going to pusue an engaged/pregnant woman.'' It was rather bittersweet.

Think about it. The Lana Clark sees in the AU is the Lana that we all thought we saw at the beginning of the series: wholesome, innocent, loyal, steadfast, faithful. That got blown in the first season when we saw her wavering between Whitney and Clark; it was incinerated in later seasons when we watched her read Chloe's letter, tell Chloe she doesn't consider her close enough to be a sister, waffle between Adam and Clark, Jason and Clark, now Lex and Clark... Lana was never AU!Lana. But at the beginning of the series we thought she might be, and so did Clark. He's seen her as AU!Lana all these years; the point of this AU-episode is that it's a metaphor for Clark being willing to twist reality to match his Lana-dream. But now, after his experience in the AU, he's beginning to realize that AU!Lana never existed in that world or this one... she was a dream of his from the very beginning, one he made up when he was five years old and gazing at her from afar through the telescope.


I dont entirely agree with this either. I think things in the AU were distorted, exagerated, including Lana, but that love for her, or hers for him, in it's basic essence was real. And that stuff about the Chloe/Lana relationship in season 2 seems like it was very subjectively interpreted by the poster. Which is fine, but I dont think it proves that Lana's character to us, or to Clark is nothing but an illusion dreampt up or kept up by Clark. Atleast I dont think so.

I think that's why Clark describes to Lana an incident that never happened as a dream... it's a way of indirectly saying to her that he's been in love with a girl for all this time and is only now starting to understand that that girl was never real. It's something he wanted to have happened... he wanted Lana to be that wholesome girl that's been in love with him and he with her since they were ten... but it never did, and more significantly, maybe the entirety of his interaction with her since high school has been no more real than that ring-giving incident, because the girl he was interacting with never really existed except in his mind. Significantly, Lana asks him what happened after he gave her the ring... and his answer? "I woke up." Clark is waking up, y'all. The look on his face after Lex and Lana walk off is one of sadness, but it's not "Aw, Lex got my girl" sadness - it's "Maybe the girl I love doesn't even exist" sadness.

As for Lana looking back at him... oh come on, are we really surprised? Lana's been on the arm of the guy she has and simultaneously looking at the guy she doesn't have for about six years now. This is just same ****, different day with her.



But again this is all true if we are going with this assumption that 'Lana is merely an illusion and no longer the girl she was who Clark thought she was.' I think Lana does have a dependancy issue when it comes to men, but that's a seperate matter. Clark and Lana's love, whatever one may think of it, has been a constant feature on the show. A real one. That's not something that's just made up. And the end scene was very much Clark looking back at his own inner thoughts, and experiences, that include Lana, but thats not the entirity of it. And Lana looking back, well, sometimes there's no hidden meaning and just plot exposition. Lana's re-evaluation of feelings is an upcoming story element, so we needed that look back there, for setup. IMO.
 
its realism. i love that pic because its superman when he's not superman or clark kent - he's just himself. and alex ross is the best comic book artist of our generation- he's employed to do all the covers for DC hardbacks as well as doing justice. type it into google and be astounded...


I know who he is, and stop putting him in a hyperbole. He has some great great hero paintings, but i have seen better comic books artists[Jim Lee,Tony Daniels etc.
 
I know who he is, and stop putting him in a hyperbole. He has some great great hero paintings, but i have seen better comic books artists[Jim Lee,Tony Daniels etc.

justice is a beautiful comic page after page is flawless.His hyper-realist way of doing things for every page of a comic has never been done before
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as an art student aspiring to his career i find his work amazing. i hope one day i can be as good as he is:woot:
 
No one is saying he is out of shape,
Jeeze, ya couldn't fooled me. "Soft" doesn't compute with being "in shape" in my book.

just that he could be in better shape.
Of course he can. But most folks here aren't arguing that. We're saying we like him the way he is. YMMV.

Hell I am in better shape then he is...
Umm... not if that shirtless picture you recently posted of yourself is representative of the way you currently look. Sorry. You put it out there. "In shape" isn't just about the size of your muscles or how much you can bench y'know?



04nbod, I love Alex Ross; he's my favorite comic artist, but I loathe that picture you posted. There's nothing "super" about it, other than the shield. It reminds me of those people who have no business dressing up as Superman for Halloween and their pictures in costume circulate on the I-Net for all to laugh at.

(PS: that's NOT a couched snark - for those whose radar is always tuned to those kind of zingers from me.)

Raku, while I agree in part with some of the things that person from TWOP said, I think it would have been a better post if the user didn't come off so... I dunno... Lana negative? This line, for example...
"Lana's been on the arm of the guy she has and simultaneously looking at the guy she doesn't have for about six years now. This is just same ****, different day with her"​
Shows too much bias, IMHO. I'm not one to stick up for Lana, but I do recognize a 'ship when I see it. LOL ;)
 
Ummm.... Me no understand fat/soft/lanky talk....

So I thought I'd repost an observation from Miss Dee over at TWOP that I think is an accurate summation about how Clark feels about Lana now. While I don't agree with some of the Chlark-ier sentiments she points out, I do sort of agree with this interpretation:

Well written, but that's about the best I can say about it. Eloquence with words can be very seductive, but I find issue with a number of her basic observations and deductions.

Of course, I'm not a TWOP'er.
 
04nbod, I love Alex Ross; he's my favorite comic artist, but I loathe that picture you posted. There's nothing "super" about it, other than the shield. It reminds me of those people who have no business dressing up as Superman for Halloween and their pictures in costume circulate on the I-Net for all to laugh at.

(PS: that's NOT a couched snark - for those whose radar is always tuned to those kind of zingers from me.)

i love it- remember on krypton he would be an ordinary 40 year old man in this world he just happens to be strong. in a way he's an ordinary man who does extraordinary things. he's not super in that pic- he's in his off time
 
04nbod, I love Alex Ross; he's my favorite comic artist, but I loathe that picture you posted. There's nothing "super" about it, other than the shield. It reminds me of those people who have no business dressing up as Superman for Halloween and their pictures in costume circulate on the I-Net for all to laugh at.


Like this guy?


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