The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[Pagan]

I have to say that there are a lot of plot holes in just the prologue though.
1. there's no way the CIA let's anyone on the plane without I.D.'ing them first and checking with command to tell them they are bringing more prisoners.

2. Just putting a little bit of Pavel's blood in the corpse will not confuse forensics. They will see that there are 2 different dna types there.

3. any investigation of the crash will show that the hull was cut and there are bullet holes in it. not to mention the bolts that were fired into it for the cables. they would have to know that something fishy went on. which would make them really investigate the remains of the supposed Pavel corpse.


I guess we're not supposed to overthink it.

 

[ggghhh]

not to mention the bolts that were fired into it for the cables.

The bolts are detonated.
I can't really argue with the rest of it, however.

 

[Nevincer]

I have to say that there are a lot of plot holes in just the prologue though.
1. there's no way the CIA let's anyone on the plane without I.D.'ing them first and checking with command to tell them they are bringing more prisoners.

2. Just putting a little bit of Pavel's blood in the corpse will not confuse forensics. They will see that there are 2 different dna types there.

3. any investigation of the crash will show that the hull was cut and there are bullet holes in it. not to mention the bolts that were fired into it for the cables. they would have to know that something fishy went on. which would make them really investigate the remains of the supposed Pavel corpse.


I guess we're not supposed to overthink it.

Yeah, it's a shame Nolan overlooked those two things but hey... guess it was that or throwing away an awesome scene. Maybe Nolan's Gotham is set in an alternate universe where forensics aren't very advanced

 

[ggghhh]

Yeah, it's a shame Nolan overlooked those two things but hey... guess it was that or throwing away an awesome scene. Maybe Nolan's Gotham is set in an alternate universe where forensics aren't very advanced

Well I assume it's meant to be in a country where the Americans aren't supposed to be anyway, so they might not be able to find a good forensic report, but they still took the trouble of using Pavel's double and one of Bane's men, hmm.

 

[The_Raganork]

That fire behind the CIA guy could have been a skirmish with some locals. I can't imagine that it would just be there for ambiance.

 

[munchie64]

I have to say that there are a lot of plot holes in just the prologue though.
1. there's no way the CIA let's anyone on the plane without I.D.'ing them first and checking with command to tell them they are bringing more prisoners.

The other two are valid, but didn't the guy call in and was told to kill all but one? That's why Bane made that guy stay. Or am I wrong?

 

[StarLord]

3. any investigation of the crash will show that the hull was cut and there are bullet holes in it. not to mention the bolts that were fired into it for the cables. they would have to know that something fishy went on.

I guess we're not supposed to overthink it.

The plane crashed and the tail is missing so obviously something fishy was going on! Lol.

 

[BestGirl]

Well I assume it's meant to be in a country where the Americans aren't supposed to be anyway, so they might not be able to find a good forensic report, but they still took the trouble of using Pavel's double and one of Bane's men, hmm.

The CIA could send in a special task force to retrieve the bodies but wouldn't have time to investigate the rest of the crash.

 

[ggghhh]

That fire behind the CIA guy could have been a skirmish with some locals. I can't imagine that it would just be there for ambiance.

Yep, I think they went a bit overboard, remember when we thought this was a plane crash?

 

[Syncope]

I have to say that there are a lot of plot holes in just the prologue though.
1. there's no way the CIA let's anyone on the plane without I.D.'ing them first and checking with command to tell them they are bringing more prisoners.

2. Just putting a little bit of Pavel's blood in the corpse will not confuse forensics. They will see that there are 2 different dna types there.

3. any investigation of the crash will show that the hull was cut and there are bullet holes in it. not to mention the bolts that were fired into it for the cables. they would have to know that something fishy went on. which would make them really investigate the remains of the supposed Pavel corpse.


I guess we're not supposed to overthink it.

There are plot holes in most movies. If all movies followed complete human law, they wouldn't be half as entertaining.

 

[paladinryan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

 

[munchie64]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

 

[BestGirl]

The other two are valid, but didn't the guy call in and was told to kill all but one? That's why Bane made that guy stay. Or am I wrong?

He wasn't told to kill all but one. He called HQ and told them that he only had one prisoner.

 

[munchie64]

He wasn't told to kill all but one. He called HQ and told them that he only had one prisoner.

Ahhh ok. He still called it in though.

 

[MessenjahMatt]

Nah, he called in all 3. He was just bluffing them, since he didn't actually kill any of them and never planned too. He planned on bringing all 3 back.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I wish I never saw Josh Stewart's set pics.

 

[BestGirl]

Nah, he called in all 3. He was just bluffing them, since he didn't actually kill any of them and never planned too. He planned on bringing all 3 back.

So I assume the other two mercs who were with Bane stayed on the plane when it crashed.

 

[TinkerTailor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

Thank you.

 

[Soapy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

Here's another: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfCool

 

[Indrid Cold]

Yeah, it's a shame Nolan overlooked those two things but hey... guess it was that or throwing away an awesome scene. Maybe Nolan's Gotham is set in an alternate universe where forensics aren't very advanced

Hence why Batman is a BAWSS! You have to look at these details as not being the heart of the film, just devices to keep you informed of what is possibly going to happen next.

 

[ggghhh]

So I assume the other two mercs who were with Bane stayed on the plane when it crashed.

No the other guy leaves I think. It sounds like a bluff but Bane seems to go with it, maybe he just didn't like that guy.

 

[The_Raganork]

Nah, he called in all 3. He was just bluffing them, since he didn't actually kill any of them and never planned too. He planned on bringing all 3 back.

There's really no indicator of that and the dialogue from Bane suggest that the CIA agent wasn't bluffing.

Sure he was bluffing about killing them then but if he shot all three and neither of them talked it wouldn't have done him any good. Its more prudent to believe that once he got his info he would have killed them anyway.

Otherwise it makes Bane's statement and the merc's death totally pointless, and I don't see why anyone would write it so that that merc's death was avoidable.

 

[Name-That-movie]

Also with the blood being put into the body. Yes, that little blood isn't going to fool anyone, if the body is intact in the wreckage. however the more likely thing to happen upon impact and explosion there is just going to be parts and goo. When they try and run tests there going to find the DNA of the two pilots, CIA guy, his three or so guys the Dr and the followers. There isn't going to be any intact bodys in the wreckage.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Just saw the prologue in front of Mission Impossible : Ghost Protocol, on IMAX. Spoilers and stuff coming right up.

What I liked:

-IMAX always looks good. The picture quality was amazing.

-I'm really digging the soundtrack. This one sounded like the music that goes with the chanting we've heard so far in all the teasers and what not.

-Bane looked pretty cool.


What I wasn't really feeling:

-The set-up felt kind of flat and boring. I felt absolutely not tension whatsoever in the entire six minute prologue.

-The whole plane-gone-vertical thing and the effect it had on the folks inside? Felt a lot like INCEPTION. It looked cool, but it looked familiar.

-The whole Bane-ties-himself-to-that-guy and rides the cable to the plane? Yeah, TDK. (I'm sure this is intentional, since Bane seems to be a reflection of Batman in a lot of ways..but still. As a visual, I've seen it before, so it didn't excite me.)

-Couldn't make out half of what Bane was saying. (yes, it's true. they'd better fix this.)


Overall? I'm kinda "meh" about the whole thing. I found the TDK one to be at least more interesting. I did like what I saw out of the montage of clips that played after the prologue, so I'm still excited for the film.

 

[JL Unlimited]

Nah, he called in all 3. He was just bluffing them, since he didn't actually kill any of them and never planned too. He planned on bringing all 3 back.

In the leaked script pages I read, if real, the CIA guy actually shoots the first guy in the head and lets him slump and fall out of the airplane so I don't think he was bluffing.

Nolan probably had to scale back the violence for the PG13 rating like how in TDK he had to change the knife holding the Joker card on the fake Batman to a safety pin.