The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[redfirebird2008]

OF COURSE!(going to be a meme I ******* know it)

Already is.

 

[Nevincer]

Already is.

 

[Sharkboy]

It's not the voice that needs fixing, it's the plane noise.

 

[QueenChaos]

It's not the voice that needs fixing, it's the plane noise.

Was just going to point this out.
The more I consider it, the more it does appear that this was the primary issue of that sequence.

I was still able to understand the dialogue, but admittedly the plane noise inhibited things to where you do need to focus in to be sure you catch everything. Not a huge deal, but as has been stated.. they will likely be doing some tweaking anyway.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Are you saying the plane was too loud therefore it was hard to understand Bane? As his voice was too low in contrast to the plane?

Because I'm pretty sure it's just his voice. It's much harder to comprehend then TDK Batman.

 

[Dr Zaius]

This conversation about the plot holes with the Prologue just made me find an actual, glaring plot hole. Okay, so Bane is trying to cover his ass with the blood transfusion and letting his follower stay behind so that when the CIA finds the wreckage they'll just assume everyone on board was killed, right? Well how does Bane even know that the CIA agent only called in one of the prisoners instead of all three of them? The CIA agent was bluffing about killing them and throwing them off the plane (Bane caught this), so isn't it likely that the flight plan included EVERYONE? So what's Bane going to do now when they find the wreckage and see that Bane and his other follower is missing and doesn't match the report/flight plan? It doesn't make sense.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-script-pages-reveal-banes-dialogue

^ click this, it is the script for the prologue, the CIA agent says that his flight plan only lists one guy that was going after Dr. Pavel for Bane's team. I think we are supposed to assume he is telling the truth on this one.

 

[RKO]

This conversation about the plot holes with the Prologue just made me find an actual, glaring plot hole. Okay, so Bane is trying to cover his ass with the blood transfusion and letting his follower stay behind so that when the CIA finds the wreckage they'll just assume everyone on board was killed, right? Well how does Bane even know that the CIA agent only called in one of the prisoners instead of all three of them? The CIA agent was bluffing about killing them and throwing them off the plane (Bane caught this), so isn't it likely that the flight plan included EVERYONE? So what's Bane going to do now when they find the wreckage and see that Bane and his other follower is missing and doesn't match the report/flight plan? It doesn't make sense.

Talk about over-thinking the whole thing.

Not all bodies make it through a plane crash. The point is just to make them believe the doctor is dead.

 

[バット人]

Make the dialogue louder and tone down the background plane noise and it should be fine. If the characters can hear each other talk, then we should be able to hear them talk as well.

 

[bullets]

Discussion has been a lively one to follow though. Pass the butterballs.

 

[Travesty]

Well, was the Joker WANTED at that point? We know he had committed some crimes, but I don't keep up to speed on every wanted criminal where I live. And seriously, if I saw someone dressed as a clown on the streets of NYC where I go to college, I truly would not think anything of it, I've seen crazier people than that.

Yes, as the ending of BB showed us that the police are well aware, and then Gordon also shows a pic to Batman in the vault in TDK, and he says "him again", meaning, he's been around killing and robbing.

And you wouldn't think anything of it, cause there are no clowns wanted for murder and robbery where you live. If before Bin Laden was killed, and someone was walking around NYC looking EXACTLY like Bin Laden, I'm sure people would take notice.

You're just glossing over the obvious.

Buy alas, to many it requires a willful suspension of disbelief, but then again so does a microwave emitter that vaporizes water underground but not the water in the bodies of the human beings standing next to it.

Every movie does, but the execution is still at question. Every Van Damm movie will need a "willful suspension of disbelief", does that mean those movies aren't ridiculous.

 

[バット人]

http://www.movieweb.com/news/the-dark-knight-rises-prologue-script-pages-reveal-banes-dialogue

^ click this, it is the script for the prologue, the CIA agent says that his flight plan only lists one guy that was going after Dr. Pavel for Bane's team. I think we are supposed to assume he is telling the truth on this one.

The CIA agent also said that "the first one to talk gets to stay on his aircraft". He then threatened to throw them out saying "they didn't fly so good" when all he did was throw them aside. He was just interrogating them so by that logic, they would be in the flight plan. If they're part of the flight plan, there are currently two people missing.

Talk about over-thinking the whole thing.

Not all bodies make it through a plane crash. The point is just to make them believe the doctor is dead.

It's not about Dr. Pavel. I understood the blood transfer. Why make the follower stay behind?

 

[Sharkboy]

He sounds perfectly fine in the trailer...so it already makes the "redub bane's voice" pleas invalid. It's just the plane scene. I'm sure filming it with that loud as hell IMAX camera couldn't help either.

 

[バット人]

I'm sure filming it with that loud as hell IMAX camera couldn't help either.

Well that's what post-production, editing and ADR is for.

 

[Travesty]

He sounds perfectly fine in the trailer...so it already makes the "redub bane's voice" pleas invalid. It's just the plane scene. I'm sure filming it with that loud as hell IMAX camera couldn't help either.

I've already been saying this, but I'm having a harder time understanding him in the trailer than I am in the prologue. It may be because I've known what he says in the prologue for some time now, and I went in the trailer not knowing all the lines?

 

[The_Raganork]

It's not about Dr. Pavel. I understood the blood transfer. Why make the follower stay behind?

Because the manifest has 1 of them listed as passengers.

Yes the CIA guy bluffed on killing them but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't kill them after he got the info.

If he shot two of them on the spot, he might have lost his chance to get any info.

Just because he bluffed at one time doesn't mean he wasn't serious about the manifest.

 

[QueenChaos]

Because the manifest has 1 of them listed as passengers.

Yes the CIA guy bluffed on killing them but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't kill them after he got the info.

If he shot two of them on the spot, he might have lost his chance to get any info.

Just because he bluffed at one time doesn't mean he wasn't serious about the manifest.

Exactly this.

 

[Superhero 101]

Well Nolan said he just started working editing and all so the audio and dubbing should all be fixed by release.

 

[Nevincer]

I've already been saying this, but I'm having a harder time understanding him in the trailer than I am in the prologue. It may be because I've known what he says in the prologue for some time now, and I went in the trailer not knowing all the lines?

That's strange. Most people have said the audio in the trailer is clearer in the prologue due to better sound mixing. I don't really have a problem with his speech at all myself, but then I've always been told what he says before I've actually heard him speak.

 

[Duuude]

Joker in TDK:
It looked cool and that's why Nolan did it. It was only a momentary thing.

Bane in TDKR prologue:
This wasnt a momentary thing. Nolan made the transfusion a huge deal. Those guys carried a dead guy from one plane to the other to do this, so its not something that you can easily overlook. But it doesnt work:
1) They barely transfused any blood. Doesnt the body have its own blood? How will the police get the sample bane wants?
2) I dont think you can transfuse a dead body. They did press his chest to pump his heart but that wouldnt get the blood to circulate well enough for that.
3) Wouldnt the coroner see that the guy was dead long before the crash?
4) The CIA agent was bluffing. So i'm guessing they expected 3 guys and not just one.

But out of all of them, its the first one that bugs me the most.

 

[バット人]

Because the manifest has 1 of them listed as passengers.

Yes the CIA guy bluffed on killing them but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't kill them after he got the info.

If he shot two of them on the spot, he might have lost his chance to get any info.

Just because he bluffed at one time doesn't mean he wasn't serious about the manifest.

That doesn't really make sense. Why not just throw them out of the plane then? The first guy refused to talk, why keep him on board and throw him aside? The point is, Bane called his bluff about not throwing them off the plane, how did he know the whole "the flight plan that I listed for the agency includes, me, my men, Dr. Pavel here and only ONE of you" wasn't just an intimidation tactic to get them to talk (which it most likely was)? It was probably against policy to dispose of them in such a manner anyway seeing as though he was a CIA agent. Threatening them with the flight plan and throwing them off the plane were all a part of an interrogation technique, clearly. It doesn't make sense for a highly tactical Bane to just assume he was telling the truth about the flight plan but not throwing them off the plane. It's silly. It's sort of like the TDK prologue with the Joker. How did he know that the Bank Manager would come into play in part of his plan and knock off Chuckles? He couldn't possibly know that.

 

[Spideyfan93]

I've been thinking about Tom's delivery of some of his lines and he sounds very optimistic in the tone of his voice.

Like when he says "the fire rises", his voice pitch increases for emphasis. It's unique but weird lol.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

I'm waiting to see the prologue in the context of the entire movie before I really comment on the apparent ridiculousness of the blood transfusion bit, but when it comes down to it, I think it's just another example of Nolan including more fanstastical and perhaps illogical elements of comic books in his Bat films.

In Begins, we had the evaporation machine and in Dark Knight we had the whole sonar thing at the end. Stuff like that tends to contradict the gritter, more realistic approach that the films are set in, but I still enjoy them. They are comic book movies after all.

That being said, I love pretty much everything about Bane during the six minute scene and still can't wait for this freakin' movie to come out.

 

[Travesty]

Ha, is that pic from Batman and Dracula?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Searching for him? Who cares, he takes over all of Gotham. Why would he be worried about the CIA, especially when he kills Pavel on live TV during the football scene? He obviously doesn't care about being caught.

You just don't get it, he didn't take Pavel then fly to Gothom and blow up Heinz field. Bane is still known as a mercenarie. These two things didn't happen even remotely close to each other.

 

[Nevincer]

@ Spideyfan

It's the weird/unique way they've gone about his voice that I really love about him. They could have gone with something really cool sounding, but also generic so it wouldn't stick in our minds. Nolan's Bane could really go on to be something iconic.