The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[Sharkboy]

Personally, I don't mind going through my first viewing not understanding everything in a film. Gives me reason to watch it again, as long as the things i didn't understand don't detract from my overall enjoyment. I'm still finding new little things in the prologue that make it better with each watch.

People just need to learn to go with it sometimes, or just use their own head.

 

[Clerk]

Personally, I don't mind going through my first viewing not understanding everything in a film. Gives me reason to watch it again, as long as the things i didn't understand don't detract from my overall enjoyment. I'm still finding new little things in the prologue that make it better with each watch.

Im inclined to agree, that's what makes films like The Departed and Blade Runner so great. Hell, I still catch **** I hadn't seen my first few times in seeing The Dark Knight, my mind was blown when they panned in on Det. Ramirez face as Dent drove away and when you could see Dent grab the mob passenger before getting in the car.

 

[Travesty]

I don't agree.

People saw what Bane was doing they just didn't understand why. So it being a bootleg had nothing to do with them not knowing what it was for.

It was a lack of exposition.

Ha, there is no way of knowing that. I have 6 different versions of the prologue on my computer right now, and there is only one version that I can even a see a tube going into his arm with blood coming out of it. All the others are so choppy/blurry, that I can't even see anything, other than Bane holding some guy that is screaming. You have no idea what version these people are seeing this in. The ONLY reason why I knew what was going on before I even watched the prologue, was Name-That-Movie explained it to us before we even had the audio version.

Now, if this was on the official site, and we had an HD version that we knew everybody was watching, then I may be able to agree with you, but I know for a fact that I couldn't make out anything in that scene. I just knew, because of what was told to us here. There is no even field for debate on this.

It may not make sense ultimately but it's also no totally absurd, if it were none of us would understand why it happened. A little stretch of the imagination easily can come up with a reason why Bane would do that. Even if the results of him doing it are in dispute the reason for him doing it is not something that is obscenely strange and unusual.

It has nothing to do with having a "stretch of the imagination". I get it, these are fictional characters, but at the same time, we know the rules to which these characters play by. We've known for many months now, that Bane publicly kills a TON of people at a football stadium. Why would he need to do a blood transfusion to cover up a plan heist? Apparently, he's afraid of getting caught, except when he's not afraid of getting caught. It doesn't even add up....

 

[TinkerTailor]

Yes but a lot of people did not get it...at all.

True, but I don't always necessarily see it as a bad thing to be left confused by something that a character does in a film, particularly when we first meet them. Seeing someone like Bane (who is already being played up as a mysterious character due to his appearance and his reputation) do something that goes over our heads creates further intrigue into his methods and his intentions. I would expect a pay off or explanation later in the film though. I suppose if I see something like that it makes me lean in further and become immersed more.

Obviously this is when personal preference comes into play.

 

[Sharkboy]

Im inclined to agree, that's what makes films like The Departed and Blade Runner so great. Hell, I still catch **** I hadn't seen my first few times in seeing The Dark Knight, my mind was blown when they panned in on Det. Ramirez face as Dent drove away and when you could see Dent grab the mob passenger before getting in the car.

Ditto on the Ramirez face, you would have had to be incredibly perceptive to catch that on your first go and properly assume something was up.

Didn't get f**k all with blade runner when i was 11, instead of whining about it because i was too dumb to get it, i took the time to figure it out throughout the years and now it's probably in my top 5 easy, and im STILL figuring out that film.

Doesn't apply to every film though, some are just incomprehensible because they are crap.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

We've known for many months now, that Bane publicly kills a TON of people at a football stadium. Why would he need to do a blood transfusion to cover up a plan heist? Apparently, he's afraid of getting caught, except when he's not afraid of getting caught. It doesn't even add up....

I assume the football stadium killings are when Bane's plans are going smoothly. The prologue seems to be when he's just beginning his plans. He's afraid of getting caught because his plans may go awry - not because he's intimidated by anybody. No matter how strong Bane is, what really matters is his plan. Without his plans coming to fruition, Bane cannot succeed no matter how strong and frightening he is.

 

[The_Raganork]

Ha, there is no way of knowing that. I have 6 different versions of the prologue on my computer right now, and there is only one version that I can even a see a tube going into his arm with blood coming out of it. All the others are so choppy/blurry, that I can't even see anything, other than Bane holding some guy that is screaming. You have no idea what version these people are seeing this in. The ONLY reason why I knew what was going on before I even watched the prologue, was Name-That-Movie explained it to us before we even had the audio version.

Now, if this was on the official site, and we had an HD version that we knew everybody was watching, then I may be able to agree with you, but I know for a fact that I couldn't make out anything in that scene. I just knew, because of what was told to us here. There is no even field for debate on this.

When someone comes in asking "What was the Blood transfusion for" they saw what was happening but did not understand why. This has nothing to do with the quality of the film.

It has nothing to do with having a "stretch of the imagination". I get it, these are fictional characters, but at the same time, we know the rules to which these characters play by. We've known for many months now, that Bane publicly kills a TON of people at a football stadium. Why would he need to do a blood transfusion to cover up a plan heist? Apparently, he's afraid of getting caught, except when he's not afraid of getting caught. It doesn't even add up....

So the excuse now is that its against his character? that's strange.

This is your first real taste of Bane in context to anything. So it needn't add up to something you saw in a spy video or overheard. Plus the majority of people don't know what we know.

There's no reason for information to get in your way of trying to figure something out.

The blood transfusion is really not as out there as you're making it seem. It kind of sounds like you're saying its such a ridiculous notion that it wouldn't cross anyone's mind to think what it's for and that's not true.

It may be unbelievable and strange but it doesn't defy logic, its not a case of sheer ridiculousness.

True, but I don't always necessarily see it as a bad thing to be left confused by something that a character does in a film, particularly when we first meet them. Seeing someone like Bane (who is already being played up as a mysterious character due to his appearance and his reputation) do something that goes over our heads creates further intrigue into his methods and his intentions. I would expect a pay off or explanation later in the film though. I suppose if I see something like that it makes me lean in further and become immersed more.

Obviously this is when personal preference comes into play.

I agree, I would be immersed too but if one is not getting that thE CIA agent is bluffing, that doesn't add something to the film, that makes the entire scene odd because it revolves around that idea.

Not getting the transfusion is fine because its not critical but if later on in the story the CIA thinks Pavel's dead and they don't explain why you can bet some people will think its a plot hole because of a lack of exposition.

 

[Travesty]

I assume the football stadium killings are when Bane's plans are going smoothly. The prologue seems to be when he's just beginning his plans. He's afraid of getting caught because his plans may go awry - not because he's intimidated by anybody. No matter how strong Bane is, what really matters is his plan. Without his plans coming to fruition, Bane cannot succeed no matter how strong and frightening he is.

Ha, so the guy who purposefully gets caught, is afraid of getting caught?

-Was getting caught part of the plan.

-Of course, but seeing as how I can escape this unlikely scenario with ease, I'm going to do a blood transfusion, so we don't get caught.

 

[Travesty]

It may be unbelievable and strange but it doesn't defy logic, its not a case of sheer ridiculousness.

Actually, I think it's exactly a case of sheer ridiculousness.

 

[wikum]

i'm confused about the transfusion...not the film logic for it, but more real life logic. are we supposed to assume that bane was actually there for a minimum of 10-20 mins doing a transfusion, but they just cut it in the prologue to save us the boredom? probably yes. i guess that the body is not so much there for the cia to think it's pavel, but more to leave traces of his blood/dna behind so that the cia think he's been killed. i dunno...couldn't there have been a better way to leave traces of pavel?

 

[The_Raganork]

Actually, I think it's exactly a case of sheer ridiculousness.

if it were no one would understand it.

 

[Travesty]

if it were no one would understand it.

The very reason why it's being questioned proves the point of how ridiculous it is. It doesn't add up or make any sense.

 

[The_Raganork]

The very reason why it's being questioned proves the point of how ridiculous it is. It doesn't add up or make any sense.

It makes sense to me and to the other people I saw it with.

something that doesn't make sense?

Square Triangles.


the transfusion is nowhere near the incomprehensibility as a Square triangle.

you can understand why the transfusion went on, even if at the end of the day you decide its impossible and foolish it's still something that's not beyond logic.

 

[Clerk]

I think we should all just agree to keep posting this photo:

 

[wikum]

Actually, I think it's exactly a case of sheer ridiculousness.

i don't think it's a question of bane being worried about getting caught, it's because he doesn't want the authorities to know he's captured dr pavel. if they know he's got pavel, then they can plan ahead and/or be on terror alert. the whole point is that when bane's first strike on gotham ensues, nobody will be expecting it.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Ha, so the guy who purposefully gets caught, is afraid of getting caught?

-Was getting caught part of the plan.

-Of course, but seeing as how I can escape this unlikely scenario with ease, I'm going to do a blood transfusion, so we don't get caught.

I see this as different situations. I think that was because Bane was confident that he could escape and outsmart the clueless CIA guy and others. He just wanted to know what Dr. Pavel told the CIA.

However, if the CIA find out that Pavel was taken, there will be a red alert sounded in the states. Bane and his men won't be able to smuggle Pavel into the states undetected if the CIA quickly realises that Pavel is still alive. All of Bane's plans will go awry.

Basically, if Bane wants to get caught, then everything will go fine. If Bane doesn't want to get caught, then I know that there has to be something greater at stake.

 

[ron1705]

couldn't there have been a better way to leave traces of pavel?

If they left Pavel himself. But Bane's just buying himself some more time. It's obvious that he's known by the CIA.

And I think he exposes himself in the stadium scene because he wants Gotham to know who he is. At this point I think his plan is already in motion, whereas during the plane scene he's getting started by retrieving the doctor.

 

[TinkerTailor]

I agree, I would be immersed too but if one is not getting that thE CIA agent is bluffing, that doesn't add something to the film, that makes the entire scene odd because it revolves around that idea.

Not getting the transfusion is fine because its not critical but if later on in the story the CIA thinks Pavel's dead and they don't explain why you can bet some people will think its a plot hole because of a lack of exposition.

I genuinely think those that don't get the CIA Agent's bluff have either seen a really poor quality bootleg that doesn't show him throw the mercenary's back in the plane, or they're just not capable of logical thought. I don't understand how it could be made any clearer: the guy is bluffing and Bane calls him on it.

I remember reading a post saying The Joker telling two different stories about his scars is a plot hole. You're damn right people are going to find more in this film. Even when they're not there.

Basically so long as Nolan avoid's moments as jarring as Ramirez's 'Harvey Dent!' after Gordon reads out the name tags on the dead cops; or Luscius' bad guys/SWAT/Batman battle commentary I'll be happy.

 

[The_Raganork]

haha the "Harvey Dent" thing.

But that's what people do! People DO that

 

[CelticPredator]

Cutting off his hand would've been better.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

haha the "Harvey Dent" thing.

But that's what people do! People DO that

It's such 'realistic' dialogue!

 

[CelticPredator]

What "harvey dent" thing?

 

[wikum]

I genuinely think those that don't get the CIA Agent's bluff have either seen a really poor quality bootleg that doesn't show him throw the mercenary's back in the plane, or they're just not capable of logical thought. I don't understand how it could be made any clearer: the guy is bluffing and Bane calls him on it.

exactly. i didn't realise the full extent of bane's first lines and how awesome they actually are until i'd seen a good copy, because i thought that cia *****e was actually shooting them, then throwing them out of the plane...and bane was just saying what was the point? when actually, he's basically calling his bluff and owning him.

 

[Chris M]

So much obvious stuff from the prologue has to be explained to people...Its kind of shocking

You may want to go easy on those of us that watched it on bootleg with half the screen cutoff. "shocking"

 

[Sharkboy]

Well you can do two things, when you are presented with the problem. Bane is doing a blood transfusion in order to cover up his tracks, but he blows up a stadium later on in the film so clearly he's not worried about the authorities. So the two ways you can deal with this information;

a) take it as a plot hole, criticize the writing it was clearly a useless scene.

b) figure out that between the prologue and the stadium there must have been some time passed and certain events that have occurred that has changed Bane's approach from being cautious as a ninja to being confident enough to mass murder and talk about it on live tv in front of thousands in attendance.

It's not rocket science, nor is it bad writing to not assume your audience dosen't want literally everything spelt out for you.