The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[The_Raganork]

or be objective and not act as if every little thing that isn't perfect is some grand error that doesn't make any sense what so ever.

Its a blood transfusion. There's nothing so ridiculously implausible about it that would make it akin to the Joker shooting down the Batwing with one bullet.

You want implausible? Harvey Dent...or that stupid Sonar thing in TDK. THAT's absurd.

 

[craigdbfan]

I still don't get why the sonar rubbed some people the wrong way. I loved that scene and the entire concept of it.

I mean the Arkham games use it to great effect and so did that scene in TDK. At least it did for me.

 

[Mako]

I still don't get why the sonar rubbed some people the wrong way. I loved that scene and the entire concept of it.

I mean the Arkham games use it to great effect and so did that scene in TDK. At least it did for me.

Yea I never had a problem with the sonar concept either.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

Yea I never had a problem with the sonar concept either.

Neither did I.

 

[Yurka]

When the blood starts being pumped from Pavel to the cadaver, and the score hits that crescendo, thats one of my favorite moments of the prologue.

 

[The_Raganork]

I still don't get why the sonar rubbed some people the wrong way. I loved that scene and the entire concept of it.

I mean the Arkham games use it to great effect and so did that scene in TDK. At least it did for me.

Arkham is a game...this is a film. They're not totally equatable.

I didn't like it, it looked bad in terms of actual aesthetics and was clearly filler for the film. There was no real need for that scene to be that long or that drawn out with the SWAT.

It just seemed to be the "cool" thing to put in the film.

Also I was just saying it wasn't plausible, it IS ridiculous to think that he's relaying cell phone waves into his cowl and watching TWO different screens whilst fighting a Swat team.

That's a bit much.

 

[Brother Jack]

I still don't get why the sonar rubbed some people the wrong way. I loved that scene and the entire concept of it.

I mean the Arkham games use it to great effect and so did that scene in TDK. At least it did for me.

I actually liked it partly because of how extreme it was. Bruce/Batman was somehow able to construct this whole machine right under Lucius' nose with his own technology. It showcases both Batman's underlying streak of paranoia and desperation and his use of prep-time to get a job done. It's pretty crazy and clever.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yea I never had a problem with the sonar concept either.

Neither did I.

I actually liked it partly because of how extreme it was. Bruce/Batman was somehow able to construct this whole machine right under Lucius' nose with his own technology. It showcases both Batman's underlying streak of paranoia and desperation and his use of prep-time to get a job done. It's pretty crazy and clever.

Yeah same here I rather enjoyed it as "impractical" as it might of been for some (not for me). Doesn't seem anymore impractical than most of the things that would have to be introduced to make a good Batman movie anyway.

Arkham is a game...this is a film. They're not totally equatable.

Gee golly I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting me know.

I didn't like it, it looked bad in terms of actual aesthetics and was clearly filler for the film. There was no real need for that scene to be that long or that drawn out with the SWAT.

It just seemed to be the "cool" thing to put in the film.

Also I was just saying it wasn't plausible, it IS ridiculous to think that he's relaying cell phone waves into his cowl and watching TWO different screens whilst fighting a Swat team.

That's a bit much.

So will you think the Batwing would be to much if it's explained that it is fueled by some new (fictional) source of energy or that it's using an existing form of energy in an impractical way?

I mean you can't say that someone isn't looking at the blood transfusion objectively and then turn around and say that the sonar scene isn't nearly as practical as the blood transfusion scene.

In reality both of these things aren't practical thus it all being/taking place in fiction albeit using a heightened/hyper realistic model and world.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Word, I had no problem with the sonar either. I loved it when I was 14, I still love it now.

 

[The_Raganork]

Gee golly I didn't realize that. Thanks for letting me know.

So will you think the Batwing would be to much if it's explained that it is fueled by some new (fictional) source of energy or that it's using an existing form of energy in an impractical way?

I mean you can't say that someone isn't looking at the blood transfusion objectively and then turn around and say that the sonar scene isn't nearly as practical as the blood transfusion scene.

In reality both of these things aren't practical thus it all being/taking place in fiction albeit using a heightened/hyper realistic model and world.

The original post bringing up the Sonar was not about my preference to it.


It was to contrast the transfusion to something truly out there. You've now taken it to a place it was never intended to be.

Am I allowed to not like it craig? please tell me.

While you think of a witty response I'll try to be even MORE clear.

Travesty thinks the Transfusion is utterly ridiculous in terms of plausibility.

I say the Sonar is probably closer to utterly ridiculous (whether I like it or not is irrelevant, I can like utterly ridiculous things, hence why I keep coming to these boards...ZING )

I feel there's a steep divide is plausibility between the two. The transfusion seems a lot more plausible to me.

 

[craigdbfan]

Of course you're allowed to dislike it I never meant to say otherwise and I don't think I did. I just said I never understood why the sonar idea rubbed some people off in the wrong way.

You explained yourself so we'll just leave it at that.

 

[paladinryan]

Gotta agree with Raganork about the Sonar. Too video-gamey (and I love video games). The last act of TDK, minus the Joker's final rant and Batman's interaction with Gordon and Dent, left me underwhelmed (Ferry stuff was just OK).

Batman Begins had a better final act.

 

[CelticPredator]

Sonar actually exists, and in the future, could be used in a way similar to that. Still odd...but it's not as bad as the blood. Which, i'm sorry, would not even work.

It would be messy...but there would still be more then just blood in the wreckage.

It's a cool concept. And I get what Nolan was doing.

I just think people need to take a step back and realize it's a movie, made for entertainment. Not a history lesson. Nolan enjoys the suspension of disbelief in film. He enjoys the magic of movies.

 

[Dr Zaius]

Why are so many people so offended by even the slightest disconnect from reality in these films? I'm sorry but the entire premise of a billionaire dressing up as a bat to fight crime and no one having the slightest clue who he is is less realistic than anything in the TDKR prologue. TMZ would be all over Batman from the moment he hit the streets! They woulda figured out it was him by the time he knocked falcone out!

It's a movie people, it's Batman, I like these films precisely because they aren't "realistic." They strike the perfect balance between relatability and comic book entertainment. Being relatable and realistic are two different things; I can understand the concept of the sonar and thereby relate to it because I am familiar with how sonar works in reality, I cannot however relate to properties of Thor's magic hammer. And this why Nolan's Batman films stand head and shoulders above any comic book genre films ever; perfect balance between relatability and comic book entertainment.

 

[KRIM]

It's a movie people, it's Batman, I like these films precisely because they aren't "realistic." They strike the perfect balance between relatability and comic book entertainment. Being relatable and realistic are two different things; I can understand the concept of the sonar and thereby relate to it because I am familiar with how sonar works in reality, I cannot however relate to properties of Thor's magic hammer. And this why Nolan's Batman films stand head and shoulders above any comic book genre films ever; perfect balance between relatability and comic book entertainment.

"Relatability and realism are two different things. So now let me give an example of these two directly affecting each other and proving this symbiosis makes Nolan films superior."

 

[kickass]

But how "possible" or "realistic" is Bane's mask?

 

[The_Raganork]

Pretty possible, it just feeds him something to dull the pain.

Its no different than a mask you'd wear before surgery

 

[AnyonesGhost]

Pretty possible, it just feeds him something to dull the pain.

Its no different than a mask you'd wear before surgery

...except 100x more badass.

 

[Mariano]

If Nolan would like to be down to pure realism, he wouldnt be doing a batman movie (in fact most of his movies have more or less fantasy in it).

This is realism with liberties

 

[CelticPredator]

Hyper Realism.

 

[QueenChaos]

Well... I love the blood transfusion, I think it was badass to include. Rather gruesome, can't say I was expecting it.
I also love to analyze things, but it's completely unnecessary to tear this apart in dissection. To me it doesn't seem too farfetched, and especially not for Nolan's universe.

Really, it's just something to talk about.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think any discussion is a good discussion.

But not everyone feels that way.

 

[QueenChaos]

Any discussion is good discussion, some people just get a little too flustered

 

[CelticPredator]

I don't think flustered is the right word.

Maybe blind rage...

 

[QueenChaos]

I don't think flustered is the right word.

Maybe blind rage...

Yeah, I was being too proper.