The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm going to venture a guess that you will enjoy the TDKR prologue better when the rest of the film is with it. Maybe not better than the TDK prologue but I think people are missing that the TDKR prologue is really more connected with the rest of the film while TDK's was really almost totally independent of the rest of the film

This is proof that the TDKR prologue isn't its own mini-movie. It needs a wider context. TDK's prologue was perfectly self contained. I like it better.

 

[CaptainSpunk]

Its not that he's a *****ebag for being CIA. It just seems the way he delivered most of his lines was really off putting. Like he doesnt know how to act. I cant really put my finger on it.

 

[The_Raganork]

This is proof that the TDKR prologue isn't its own mini-movie. It needs a wider context. TDK's prologue was perfectly self contained. I like it better.

That's fine. You're right, TDKR's isn't a mini-movie. Its part of the bigger picture.

For that I choose not to compare them until I see the rest of the film.

Its not that he's a *****ebag for being CIA. It just seems the way he delivered most of his lines was really off putting. Like he doesnt know how to act. I cant really put my finger on it.

He was odd, strange, weird, stupid.

I'm pretty sure that was part of the character, it really highlights the difference between him and Bane and his followers. I never read it as something unintentional.

Just look how he's standing when we first see him...he's a total over-confident moron.

 

[guy_from_nerk]

The one series of lines I hate the most in the prologue is:

CIA Agent ask about removing banes mas and if it'd hurt? It is then followed by these 2 lines

Bane: It'd be painful
CIA Agent:You're a big guy
Bane: For you


To men it just seems like they tossed in the "you're a big guy" line to help fool people into thinking Bane is bigger then he actually is. Idk, I too thought there was some terrible acting in the prologue

 

[DaveMoral]

Just saw the prologue in IMAX. Wow. Great. And I didn't even get the best seat in the house. I was on the end of a row... so everything was a bit warped for me. Still awesome.

And yeah, MI4 is great.

 

[Gianakin_]

The one series of lines I hate the most in the prologue is:

CIA Agent:You're a big guy
Bane: For you


To men it just seems like they tossed in the "you're a big guy" line to help fool people into thinking Bane is bigger then he actually is. Idk, I too thought there was some terrible acting in the prologue

That line is a response to Bane's line: "It would be extremely painful". Think of it as "You can handle it", and then Bane explains "No, painful for you, b**ch".

 

[CelticPredator]

Bane's a pretty big guy. He may not be tall...but he's jacked.

 

[The_Raganork]

The one series of lines I hate the most in the prologue is:

CIA Agent ask about removing banes mas and if it'd hurt? It is then followed by these 2 lines

Bane: It'd be painful
CIA Agent:You're a big guy
Bane: For you


To men it just seems like they tossed in the "you're a big guy" line to help fool people into thinking Bane is bigger then he actually is. Idk, I too thought there was some terrible acting in the prologue

ANTI-NOLANITE...BE GONE!

 

[TinkerTailor]

It needed more William Fichtner too.

 

[Pagan]

The one series of lines I hate the most in the prologue is:

CIA Agent ask about removing banes mas and if it'd hurt? It is then followed by these 2 lines

Bane: It'd be painful
CIA Agent:You're a big guy
Bane: For you


To men it just seems like they tossed in the "you're a big guy" line to help fool people into thinking Bane is bigger then he actually is. Idk, I too thought there was some terrible acting in the prologue

yeah it would have been much better if that line was gone and in it's place would just be a quizzical look from teh CIA guy and then Bane says "for you" and the cia guy's reaction would uh-oh..

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It needed more William Fichtner too.

It needed to breath more.

 

[TinkerTailor]

It needed to breath more.

In all seriousness, in comparison to TDK (if we have to compare them properly ) then yes, I agree. The thing is TDK's prologue has it's rhythm that builds and builds until The Joker is there in all his glory. It has it's own self contained beginning, middle and end.

This on the other hand is more scattered. Bane is seen and heard far earlier, because this prologue not only has to establish him as a character within the framework of Nolan's Batman films but also to justify his inclusion as a follow up to The Joker as a principle villain.

I still think it works very well, but it works as a taster for the rest of the film more than it's own thing, which is what TDK's prologue felt like. I think TDK could work fine as a cohesive narrative without those first 6 minutes. I don't think the same will be said of TDKR.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

LOL @ Aidan Gillen is terrible actor.

Spoiler

He is known in the UK for his role as Stuart Alan Jones in the ground-breaking British television series, Queer as Folk, and its sequel, Queer as Folk 2, for which he was nominated for the British Academy Television Award for Best Actor in 2000. American audiences know him for his role as Tommy Carcetti in HBO's television series The Wire.

Gillen was nominated for a Tony Award for his highly acclaimed Broadway role in Harold Pinter's The Caretaker in 2003. He has also been nominated for an Irish Times Theatre Award for his portrayal of Teach in the Dublin Gate Theatre's 2007 production of David Mamet's American Buffalo'.

Gillen appeared alongside the professional wrestler John Cena in the 2009 film 12 Rounds. In July of that year, he appeared in a one-off BBC2 drama Freefall along with Dominic Cooper and Sarah Harding.

In 2011, Gillen played the role of Petyr Baelish in the HBO series Game of Thrones and Barry Weiss in Blitz.

Who do you want? Al Pacino for prologue?

 

[The_Raganork]

TDKR's prologue' purpose is not to introduce Bane but to set in motion the entire film.

 

[TinkerTailor]

TDKR's prologue' purpose is not to introduce Bane but to set in motion the entire film.

Well yes, but within that is the introduction of Bane, and it has to work harder to give a taste of what he's like as a character because he's not as iconic as The Joker.

 

[The_Raganork]

Well yes, but within that is the introduction of Bane, and it has to work harder to give a taste of what he's like as a character because he's not as iconic as The Joker.

Sure but at the same time TDK's prologue should be apart of the film and in a lot of ways it's kind of irrelevant to the rest of the film.

It just does not gel with the rest of the film, to me, cohesively. That's not saying it's bad in any way but, Bane will have plenty of time in TDKR and we will get to know his character within the film.

The prologue is a plot point that will be important later.

 

[StarLord]

Meh.

Aidan Gillen didn't bother me that much, he just seemed a bit monotone.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Sure but at the same time TDK's prologue should be apart of the film and in a lot of ways it's kind of irrelevant to the rest of the film.

It just does not gel with the rest of the film, to me, cohesively. That's not saying it's bad in any way but, Bane will have plenty of time in TDKR and we will get to know his character within the film.

The prologue is a plot point that will be important later.

I absolutely agree with that (said something similar about cohesiveness a little up the page ). I suppose I'm looking at it from a marketing point of view in that the prologue was released to give the general audience enough time to register who this new threat is, so it crams more of him in there.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

TDKR's prologue' purpose is not to introduce Bane but to set in motion the entire film.

When it ended I felt like I've seen half of the scene. I know that is silly because as the plane moves away from the camera it most definitely transitions to the next scene, but it just feels like that.

Aside from that, anybody else feel that the Hongkong sequence also works as a standalone Imax showcase?

 

[TinkerTailor]

When it ended I felt like I've seen half of the scene. I know that is silly because as the plane moves away from the camera it most definitely transitions to the next scene, but it just feels like that.

Aside from that, anybody else feel that the Hongkong sequence also works as a standalone Imax showcase?

I'll be having nightmares tonight about the amount of questions the role the mobile phone plays in the sequence would cause.

 

[The_Raganork]

When it ended I felt like I've seen half of the scene. I know that is silly because as the plane moves away from the camera it most definitely transitions to the next scene, but it just feels like that.

same here, you have the who, what and when but not the where, why and how.

Aside from that, anybody else feel that the Hongkong sequence also works as a standalone Imax showcase?

Not personally but I can understand the thought

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Sure but at the same time TDK's prologue should be apart of the film and in a lot of ways it's kind of irrelevant to the rest of the film.

It just does not gel with the rest of the film, to me, cohesively. That's not saying it's bad in any way but, Bane will have plenty of time in TDKR and we will get to know his character within the film.

The prologue is a plot point that will be important later.

I think it does. Not directly as a plot point, but it does present the Joker's major motive. Here he pits a bunch of dudes against each other by appealing to their innermost inhuman tendencies, which is a smaller sample version of what he does throughout the rest of the film.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I'll be having nightmares tonight about the amount of questions the role the mobile phone plays in the sequence would cause.

t:

 

[wootbaby]

The TDK prologue would work as it's own short film that just happens to build to a crescendo where the money shot is the unveiling of a huge cultural icon. From that point of view it was always going to have more of an impact.

lol no it doesn't. the point of both prologues are the same. to introduce the villains.

the TDK prologue is basically action exposition. it doesn't advance anything so it isn't in any way complete in and of itself.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

The opening of The Dark Knight to me was showing what The Joker was capable of. Manipulating people into doing his dirty work. I think it showed what we were in store for during the rest of the movie.