The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

[CaptainSpunk]

Someone needs to post the TDKR trailer from Conan...
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[Pagan]

There's dozens. Here's a good one.

Umm I got as far as "everything can be explained by the concept that he can alter his physical inertia and while there's no explanation for this supernatural ability..."

 

[Travesty]

My use of fantasy is correct. I think your understanding of the definition is the problem here. You're limiting the word to this idea that it can only refer to high fantasy something many people do.

The genre is gigantic and every single Batman film despite where in the spectrum they fall can still be called fantasies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_subgenres

No, actually, I think it's yours. Most of Batman's movies are fantasy based, but Nolan's isn't at all. The list you linked me to is that of fiction. There is no denying that these movies are fictional, that's an obvious one, but even the sub-genres of fantasy don't apply in Nolan's version. The closest would probably be "urban fantasy", which is what Batman comics and the other movies come close to, but again, by definition, Nolan's don't apply. Urban Fantasy is closer to Hellboy.

Characteristics of Urban Fantasy are as follows:

Urban fantasy describes a work that is set primarily in a city and contains aspects of fantasy. These matters may involve the arrivals of alien races, the discovery of earthbound mythological creatures, coexistence between humans and paranormal beings, conflicts between humans and malicious paranormals, and subsequent changes in city management.

Now, the definition of fantasy:

Fantasy is a genre of fiction that commonly uses magic and other supernatural phenomena as a primary element of plot, theme, or setting. Many works within the genre take place in imaginary worlds where magic is common. Fantasy is generally distinguished from science fiction and horror by the expectation that it steers clear of (pseudo-)scientific and macabre themes, respectively, though there is a great deal of overlap between the three, all of which are subgenres of speculative fiction.

There is nothing supernatural or otherworldly about Nolan's movies. His intent has always been to bring these fantastical characters, and make them plausible in a real world setting. Basically, he's stripped the characters of any fantasy based elements. These movies are actually closer to Science Fiction than anything that has to do with Fantasy.

Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.[2] It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation).

 

[craigdbfan]

No, actually, I think it's yours. Most of Batman's movies are fantasy based, but Nolan's isn't at all. The list you linked me to is that of fiction. There is no denying that these movies are fictional, that's an obvious one, but even the sub-genres of fantasy don't apply in Nolan's version. The closest would probably be "urban fantasy", which is what Batman comics and the other movies come close to, but again, by definition, Nolan's don't apply. Urban Fantasy is closer to Hellboy.

Characteristics of Urban Fantasy are as follows:



Now, the definition of fantasy:




There is nothing supernatural or otherworldly about Nolan's movies. His intent has always been to bring these fantastical characters, and make them plausible in a real world setting. Basically, he's stripped the characters of any fantasy based elements. These movies are actually closer to Science Fiction than anything that has to do with Fantasy.

Science fiction is within the fantasy sub genre. You must have missed it.

So once again your understanding of the word was the problem here. You're just arguing semantics at this point.

 

[Travesty]

Science fiction is within the fantasy sub genre. You must have missed it.

So once again your understanding of the word was the problem here. You're just arguing semantics at this point.

Actually, the only thing that crosses over from science fiction to fantasy is science fantasy, you must have missed that one. You're just not reading the list correctly. That list is of fiction, not of fantasy. Yes, fantasy applies to fiction, that's why it's on the list, same with science fiction, but science fiction isn't fantasy. The list even explains the cross over. Science Fiction is a sub genre of fiction, which should be a given with the title alone. A cross over of Science Fiction and Fantasy is Science Fantasy.

Definition of Science Fantasy is as follows:

while science fantasy gives a scientific veneer of realism to things that simply could not happen in the real world under any circumstances

Again, these things in Nolan's movies are plausible in the real world. Science Fantasy is about things that CAN'T ever happen in the real world.

 

[Bats]

Superman is supernatural....and paranormal....

Point being?

 

[KRIM]

Umm I got as far as "everything can be explained by the concept that he can alter his physical inertia and while there's no explanation for this supernatural ability..."

It has scientific application, it's not completely void of all reason which you suggested. Science itself has vast unexplained phenomena within its own study, after all. It is always improving.

 

[munchie64]

Unfortunately, every time I watch TDK, Two-Face's existence always makes me go, "Hmm." When he wipes the bit of alky off of his chin, it's super-bad-ass, but.....how? He should have hit the floor, screaming.

Everything else, though, totally believable.

Well I know Nolan's film AREN'T realistic, but technically Two-Face should have died five minutes after leaving the hospital from infections.

 

[bullets]

I always think of Two Face being in some type of body shock. I've heard some strange survival stories so it makes me wonder. Luckily it's not something I find completely implausible

 

[Citadel30]

Two-Face was in a state of pure rage and hate from Rachel's death. Thats how he carried on... absolute rage.

 

[munchie64]

I always think of Two Face being in some type of body shock. I've heard some strange survival stories so it makes me wonder. Luckily it's not something I find completely implausible

Yeah exactly good film makers make you believe stuff like that.

Two-Face was in a state of pure rage and hate from Rachel's death. Thats how he carried on... absolute rage.

Yeah that's pretty plausible in universe as an explanation.

 

[CelticPredator]

Point being?

You said he wasn't.

 

[TIM BLAKE]

people think nolans God...He's satan with his god damn magic tricks,inception proved this.

 

[CaptainSpunk]

That little Unified Theory of StooperMans powers sounded plauseable until I scrolled down and saw the drawing on page 3...

 

[munchie64]

That little Unified Theory of StooperMans powers sounded plauseable until I scrolled down and saw the drawing on page 3...

Was there something implausible that a non science guy like me wouldn't notice? Because I don't really see anything wrong.

 

[-Arya-]

Two-Face was in a state of pure rage and hate from Rachel's death. Thats how he carried on... absolute rage.

And probably because his facial nerves were also burned on the left side of his face. That's the main reason why he shouldn't be able to feel pain.

 

[TDKR2012]

PROBLEM/QUESTION about the Prologue

This is regarding the "body count" that Bane expects on the plane.

First off, none of this below will be relevant if the CIA *****e actually called in 3 MEN on top of Dr. Pavel.

Spoiler

The People on the Plane:
1) CIAs men - all of them, will be accounted for. None of them leave the plane whatsoever.

2) Dr. Pavel - replaced by man in the body bag

3) Bane and 2 men - Bane escapes and is replaced by one of the men, what happened to the 3rd guy????????? nobody was actually thrown off the plane., nor did we see another guy escape via harness aside from Bane and Pavel

 

[CelticPredator]

Nolan sucks at continuity.

 

[BestGirl]

I guess we're supposed to assume Pavel was telling the truth when he said he called in only one prisoner.

 

[NateHevens]

PROBLEM/QUESTION about the Prologue

This is regarding the "body count" that Bane expects on the plane.

First off, none of this below will be relevant if the CIA *****e actually called in 3 MEN on top of Dr. Pavel.

Spoiler

The People on the Plane:
1) CIAs men - all of them, will be accounted for. None of them leave the plane whatsoever.

2) Dr. Pavel - replaced by man in the body bag

3) Bane and 2 men - Bane escapes and is replaced by one of the men, what happened to the 3rd guy????????? nobody was actually thrown off the plane., nor did we see another guy escape via harness aside from Bane and Pavel

Spoiler

After his warning, the CIA Agent took one prisoner to the open door. When the prisoner wouldn't talk, the CIA Agent shot him and he fell out of the plane.

 

[Anita18]

Spoiler

After his warning, the CIA Agent took one prisoner to the open door. When the prisoner wouldn't talk, the CIA Agent shot him and he fell out of the plane.

He doesn't.

Spoiler

He pretends to shoot him and throws him into the back of the plane.

Anyways, Nolan obviously never feels the need to show us EVERYTHING, only the important stuff. Like how did Batman get back up to the Wayne penthouse fundraiser? How did Joker escape? No need to show us, it wasn't important to the story. And it doesn't necessarily make it a plot hole. Continuity error, maybe. I still think they must have done the blood transfusion for longer and that the rest of the goons escape then. Anyway this is obviously what Nolan wants you to focus on - that Bane told one of his men to stay and he willingly did. Who cares if we see what happens to the others, it's assumed they escaped.

 

[Solidus]

He doesn't.

Spoiler

He pretends to shoot him and throws him into the back of the plane.

Anyways, Nolan obviously never feels the need to show us EVERYTHING, only the important stuff. Like how did Batman get back up to the Wayne penthouse fundraiser? How did Joker escape? No need to show us, it wasn't important to the story. And it doesn't necessarily make it a plot hole. Continuity error, maybe. I still think they must have done the blood transfusion for longer and that the rest of the goons escape then. Anyway this is obviously what Nolan wants you to focus on - that Bane told one of his men to stay and he willingly did. Who cares if we see what happens to the others, it's assumed they escaped.

Ya when you look up at the end, all of his men that brought the body down are gone. Either they went up, or honestly maybe the others stayed behind with the one volunteer that had to stay for Bane. It's not even really continuity, somethings don't need to be shown, it's more about what Bane did, and his control over his men. Which is really creepy, the guys expression has almost a smile when he is told to stay behind.

 

[Just_Human]

Because the CIA was supposed to bring Dr Pavel and the "Russian" guy only ( the one who says the "masked man ")

Since that aforementioned dude goes to Gotham with Bane (we see him in one of the pics)
In fact, I assume he is more experienced than the one who stays in the plane - which explains Bane's decision.

So : dr pavel + CIA's contact = dead body + good looking dude

It seems to make sense.



But I could be wrong

 

[wb2012]

Parachutes.

 

[NateHevens]

He doesn't.

Spoiler

He pretends to shoot him and throws him into the back of the plane.

Anyways, Nolan obviously never feels the need to show us EVERYTHING, only the important stuff. Like how did Batman get back up to the Wayne penthouse fundraiser? How did Joker escape? No need to show us, it wasn't important to the story. And it doesn't necessarily make it a plot hole. Continuity error, maybe. I still think they must have done the blood transfusion for longer and that the rest of the goons escape then. Anyway this is obviously what Nolan wants you to focus on - that Bane told one of his men to stay and he willingly did. Who cares if we see what happens to the others, it's assumed they escaped.

I saw the only bootleg version I could find online, which was good quality, but things looked out of proportion (almost as if the screen was bowed outward from the middle) and I missed a lot... it was more obvious when I saw a better-quality video of the montage...

Spoiler

In the full prologue + montage bootleg, when they showed Catwoman, all I saw were her eyes. In the HQ montage bootleg, I saw her whole head. Exact same thing with Selina in the back of the car (people kept talking about an orange jumpsuit and I was just like... how do you see that? All I see are her eyes looking out of the window of a moving car!). And the Bat-symbol at the end was much easier to make out in the latter.

If there's a higher-quality bootleg of the prologue, I'd do anything to find it, but, so far, all I've found is the one I've already seen, so I'm going by that.

Spoiler

Also, it annoys the hell out of me because I really can't see what Bane's doing or hear what he's saying at all.. especially with Dr. Pavel... he puts a tube in the Dr.'s sleeve, then, suddenly, what I assume is the Dr.'s blood starts coming out... but where the hell does it go?!? I'm glad there's a version online so I got to see the prologue, but the quality, while good, is annoying! Is there a better one out there? PLEASE!