The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

[EliteF50]

Exactly.

That's what I said. It doesn't matter. It's a movie. But it still doesn't make any sense when you actually think about it.

Which is what people think these films do. No. They're just really good.

Yeah. There were a lot of those problems in TDK, but no one seemed to care.

If it doesn't detract from the overall experience, who cares?

 

[Sharkboy]

Exactly.

That's what I said. It doesn't matter. It's a movie. But it still doesn't make any sense when you actually think about it.

Which is what people think these films do. No. They're just really good.

It's a bit of both, which you'd be surprised how many people don't believe can exist. A film that can have mature, topical and in-depth subtext and introspection...yet also succumb to the typical summer tradition of spectacle and "popcorn moments" that require a strong suspension of disbelief.

You aren't thinking too deep about the film when it comes to the former....and the latter certainly doesn't feel out of place or dumb down the film in any way. That's where Nolan comes in...he's always been very good at balancing his blockbuster/Indie proclivities.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yup.

Just like that variation of the Fulton recovery system Batman uses in Hong Kong. In the film he is whisked back into the carrier rather quickly at an incredibly high speed with Lao in hand. Nobody would really think twice about that scene because the set up and execution is incredibly convincing.

In reality the entire thing would take 6 minutes and the rate of which it would pull you back into the carrier would be much, much slower than that shown in the film and wouldn't serve for much of an exciting scene.

Nolan as I've said many times before is a master magician. He can trick people into thinking that what he's showing you is incredibly realistic and accurate where rather he's using experimental or existing devices/tools and tuning up the level of fantasy by a good deal.

That's why when people say there isn't a fantasy element in these movies I can't help but laugh a little. There's a ton of fantasy it's just covered with a coat of deceptive realism (in a good way).

 

[munchie64]

Yup.

Just like that variation of the Fulton recovery system Batman uses in Hong Kong. In the film he is whisked back into the carrier rather quickly at an incredibly high speed with Lao in hand. Nobody would really think twice about that scene because the set up and execution is incredibly convincing.

In reality the entire thing would take 6 minutes and the rate of which it would pull you back into the carrier would be much, much slower than that shown in the film and wouldn't serve for much of an exciting scene.

Nolan as I've said many times before is a master magician. He can trick people into thinking that what he's showing you is incredibly realistic and accurate where rather he's using experimental or existing devices/tools and tuning up the level of fantasy by a good deal.

That's why when people say there isn't a fantasy element in these movies I can't help but laugh a little. There's a ton of fantasy it's just covered with a coat of deceptive realism (in a good way).

Aren't the majority of good film makers? Hell, the majority of good story tellers.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yup.

Just like that variation of the Fulton recovery system Batman uses in Hong Kong. In the film he is whisked back into the carrier rather quickly at an incredibly high speed with Lao in hand. Nobody would really think twice about that scene because the set up and execution is incredibly convincing.

In reality the entire thing would take 6 minutes and the rate of which it would pull you back into the carrier would be much, much slower than that shown in the film and wouldn't serve for much of an exciting scene.

Nolan as I've said many times before is a master magician. He can trick people into thinking that what he's showing you is incredibly realistic and accurate where rather he's using experimental or existing devices/tools and tuning up the level of fantasy by a good deal.

That's why when people say there isn't a fantasy element in these movies I can't help but laugh a little. There's a ton of fantasy it's just covered with a coat of deceptive realism (in a good way).

In a pretty big way, that's the biggest compliment Nolan could receive for these films.

 

[CelticPredator]

But apparently, it's an insult to some.

 

[Solidus]

Exactly.

That's what I said. It doesn't matter. It's a movie. But it still doesn't make any sense when you actually think about it.

Which is what people think these films do. No. They're just really good.

Why are you saying it does not matter, but it does lol. It does make sense, with plane crashes they have found blood, and used some of it to identify the crew. Science has done this, so its not some I'm riding on unicorns with Harry Potter impossibility. How high are the chances that blood will survive? It depends, is there any fuel left on that plane, maybe not, back end and wings torn off, there may be nothing left. So it may just thud to the ground making a gooey terrible mess. Or hit the water and do the same thing. The chances may not be really high of this, but again it does make sense, and is not some impossibility that some are making it out to be. People have done it, it's not some fairy tale. So again maybe a lower possibility, but a possibility none the less.

But apparently, it's an insult to some.

No it is just odd that something that can happen some act is if it is an impossibility beyond anything. It is not always the case.

As craig said, yea there are elements of , I would not use the word fantasy, but just improbability. Perfect example is Batman. In his 10 year crusade, there is no way he would make it a few weeks, he would be dead most likely. With men shooting at him all the time running from roof top to roof top. Doubtful anything like that would happen at all. The tumbler even if they could get it to jump, it would have gone through most of those weaker buildings lol. But the transfusion is not an impossibility, after the blood they would try bone DNA and learn the truth probably.

There are many elements of realistic scenarios in his film, and there are many that are not. This one is not an impossibility.

EDIT: There are many cases of finding blood even after fiery plane crashes. Here is an example from 1986:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-03-14/news/8601190483_1_plane-fishing-trip-blood-samples

Rare possibly, but it does make sense and is not an impossibility.

 

[-Arya-]

Update from Collider:

http://collider.com/dark-knight-rises-bane-audio-cleaned/135038/

That's a little disappointing.

 

[The_Raganork]

Why are you saying it does not matter, but it does lol. It does make sense, with plane crashes they have found blood, and used some of it to identify the crew. Science has done this, so its not some I'm riding on unicorns with Harry Potter impossibility. How high are the chances that blood will survive? It depends, is there any fuel left on that plane, maybe not, back end and wings torn off, there may be nothing left. So it may just thud to the ground making a gooey terrible mess. Or hit the water and do the same thing. The chances may not be really high of this, but again it does make sense, and is not some impossibility that some are making it out to be. People have done it, it's not some fairy tale. So again maybe a lower possibility, but a possibility none the less.



No it is just odd that something that can happen some act is if it is an impossibility beyond anything. It is not always the case.

As craig said, yea there are elements of , I would not use the word fantasy, but just improbability. Perfect example is Batman. In his 10 year crusade, there is no way he would make it a few weeks, he would be dead most likely. With men shooting at him all the time running from roof top to roof top. Doubtful anything like that would happen at all. The tumbler even if they could get it to jump, it would have gone through most of those weaker buildings lol. But the transfusion is not an impossibility, after the blood they would try bone DNA and learn the truth probably.

There are many elements of realistic scenarios in his film, and there are many that are not. This one is not an impossibility.

EDIT: There are many cases of finding blood even after fiery plane crashes. Here is an example from 1986:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-03-14/news/8601190483_1_plane-fishing-trip-blood-samples

Rare possibly, but it does make sense and is not an impossibility.

but..
I assure you; this post was in vain.

 

[venus_ice]

I wonder how many people went to rewatch the prologue and actually thought the voice sounded more clear.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That's a little disappointing.

Again, these type of statements befuddle me. Nolan has only just started to edit the film. It's not like Chris will refuse to make a few alterations here and there to the audio. Come July, I'm positive and confident that Nolan will have made Bane's dialogue, in the prologue at the very least, clearer.

In addition, re-releasing the modified prologue to theaters makes no sense at this point.

 

[-Arya-]

Again, these type of statements befuddle me. Nolan has only just started to edit the film. It's not like Chris will refuse to make a few alterations here and there to the audio. Come July, I'm positive and confident that Nolan will have made Bane's dialogue, in the prologue at the very least, clearer.

In addition, re-releasing the modified prologue to theaters makes no sense at this point.

I can only hope Nolan will do that; it's clearly uncertain at this point

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm not sure what the big deal is if he doesn't.

If the whole of the rest of the film is fine it'll have to chalk up to one hard to hear scene.

there are plenty of those; its not a critical error. I could hear him perfectly in the trailer but that's probably because there wasn't air rushing and a crashing plane in the background

 

[Blue Sugar]

I still re-watch the best quality bootleg of the prologue at least once a week. I've even learned to love Gillian's CIA *****e performance.

Damn I both love and hate my obsession with this movie. Though I blame my love for Nolan, Batman and especially The Dark Knight for it.

 

[batbax]

It feels like theres an undercurrent on these boards that hopes this movie does bad. The scrutiny and absurdity of the topics that are pointed out to be "concerns" would never apply to any other film it seems. The prologue "voice" debacle is just one example. The trailer bane was perfectly understandable and on the prologue most I know only missed a line or two. Yet it gets blown out of proportion in almost a hopeful way that his voice really will be incoherent for the whole film. It's really strange.

 

[-Arya-]

I'm not sure what the big deal is if he doesn't.

If the whole of the rest of the film is fine it'll have to chalk up to one hard to hear scene.

there are plenty of those; its not a critical error. I could hear him perfectly in the trailer but that's probably because there wasn't air rushing and a crashing plane in the background

This is true; if Bane can be understood throughout the rest of the film, then it would be a moot point. However, I don't think we can say that with much confidence.

 

[Blue Sugar]

It's no surprise. Everything that is praised and/or hýped will have a strong following of being put down.

 

[Blue Sugar]

That was an answer to batbax fyi.

 

[The_Raganork]

It feels like theres an undercurrent on these boards that hopes this movie does bad.The scrutiny and absurdity of the topics that are pointed out to be "concerns" would never apply to any other film it seems.

There are specific people here who have no real criticism, they just want the movie to fail. Sometimes it makes the people with legitimate complaints look bad.
It's somewhat annoying but once you can identify them more easily it's easy to just ignore them. at the end of the day we're going to enjoy the film and the ride leading to the film. Their life of misery and the need to make everyone else suffer with them is a minute bump in the road.

The prologue "voice" debacle is just one example. The trailer bane was perfectly understandable and on the prologue most I know only missed a line or two. Yet it gets blown out of proportion in almost a hopeful way that his voice really will be incoherent for the whole film. It's really strange.

People have a good concern for wondering if the Voice is going to be strange the entire film but a little common sense thinking would probably bar that option from happening. This is a film that's going to be focused on dialogue because it's centered on story. So it seems clear to me that when there aren't extreme sound situations like crashing planes Bane's dialogue would be totally fine.

I understand the people expressing some concern but there are some who are treating this as their chance to attack all things Nolan and prove he's not perfect (which is probably universally known) and to try and rile up people here who are fans of Nolan's specific way of working.

Those people can be spotted a mile away and they're probably several of the same person pretending to be more.

The prologue was good fun and got me excited for the film. I'd say that's a mission success.

 

[The_Raganork]

This is true; if Bane can be understood throughout the rest of the film, then it would be a moot point. However, I don't think we can say that with much confidence.

I think we can.

Most of Bane's scenes probably won't be on a crashing plane.

Nolan and co. have almost twice as much time to complete the mix for the rest of the film than they did for the prologue.

The trailer voice was perfectly understandable.

I'm confident the rest of the film will be better and easier to hear than the prologue. However I still don't think the prologue was that hard to hear.

 

[-Arya-]

I think we can.

Most of Bane's scenes probably won't be on a crashing plane.

Nolan and co. have almost twice as much time to complete the mix for the rest of the film than they did for the prologue.

The trailer voice was perfectly understandable.

I'm confident the rest of the film will be better and easier to hear than the prologue. However I still don't think the prologue was that hard to hear.

I only express concern because I'm aware of Nolan's tendency to obscure dialogue with booming music. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[The_Raganork]

I only express concern because I'm aware of Nolan's tendency to obscure dialogue with booming music. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

a legitimate and valid reason.

I'm sure the mix we'll get at the very worst will be good with moments of conflicting sounds.

 

[Blue Sugar]

You can be a huge Nolanite and still see the flaws of him and his movies. Like with most directors or any creator at all.

I would like to quote Nolan himself on this matter.

"Films are subjective-what you like, what you don't like. But the thing for me that is absolutely unifying is the idea that every time I go to the cinema and pay my money and sit down and watch a film go up on-screen, I want to feel that the people who made that film think it's the best movie in the world, that they poured everything into it and they really love it. Whether or not I agree with what they've done, I want that effort there-I want that sincerity. And when you don't feel it, that's the only time I feel like I'm wasting my time at the movies."

 

[Frodo]

You can be a huge Nolanite and still see the flaws of him and his movies. Like with most directors or any creator at all.

True, and I also think there are fanboys who somehow think any questioning or negative critiques is somehow disloyal. On the other hand there are always those who are gonna think the sky is falling and will never be satisfied. You have two extremes which then duke it out because they feel you're on one side or the other.

Me, I'm a huge Nolan fan who's enjoyed BB, The Prestige, TDK, and Inception . I also thought the prolouge was cool but yeah , I do think it wouldn't be so bad to bring down the background noise a bit . Nolan's great but i never put any director on a pedistal because they're only human .

 

[Miranda Fox]

You can be a huge Nolanite and still see the flaws of him and his movies. Like with most directors or any creator at all.

I would like to quote Nolan himself on this matter.

"Films are subjective-what you like, what you don't like. But the thing for me that is absolutely unifying is the idea that every time I go to the cinema and pay my money and sit down and watch a film go up on-screen, I want to feel that the people who made that film think it's the best movie in the world, that they poured everything into it and they really love it. Whether or not I agree with what they've done, I want that effort there-I want that sincerity. And when you don't feel it, that's the only time I feel like I'm wasting my time at the movies."

Agree with everything you said, and that's one of my favourite Nolan quotes. t: