The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

It's all that pot you smoke, Hunter :csad:.
For me, it's the pot that makes me more aware of these little things. Now if I was drunk, I would most likely overlook everything.

Hmmm, maybe I need to watch TDK really hammered?
 
Why would you need to watch a good movie hammered? That's for **** like Twilight.
 
One time, my friends and I got ****-faced drunk and dubbed over Fellowship of the Ring.

Comedy ensued.
 
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Actually, watching movies drunk can be a very enlightening experience. It's more mind-opening and relaxing. Inception while ****-faced is superb viewing. Look at some of the world's most famous authors throughout history. They wrote some of their masterworks while drunk. Hemingway and Fitzgerald were alcoholics.
 
All of this discussion is very interesting.

For me, the clunky (or terrible) moments in the dialogue (like the CIA agent and the press conference) are a result of poor directing and poor casting ( for example, Maggie was just horrendous in TDK).

I also think that those moments are made worse by the fact that they contrast greatly with the `realistic` world Nolan has put his Bat films in. It`s odd to me that Nolan would spend so much time making his films as gritty as possible, then decide to include beyond cheesy dialogue in them.
 
Actually, watching movies drunk can be a very enlightening experience. It's more mind-opening and relaxing. Inception while ****-faced is superb viewing. Look at some of the world's most famous authors throughout history. They wrote some of their masterworks while drunk. Hemingway and Fitzgerald were alcoholics.

Erm... I would think marijuana had a greater impact than alcohol. In my experience, at least, alcohol just puts me to sleep, while marijuana makes me all creative n' stuff...

Now that would be fascinating... watch Inception while stoned... then Batman Begins and The Dark Knight...

I have SO got to do that! :woot:
 
Actually, watching movies drunk can be a very enlightening experience. It's more mind-opening and relaxing. Inception while ****-faced is superb viewing. Look at some of the world's most famous authors throughout history. They wrote some of their masterworks while drunk. Hemingway and Fitzgerald were alcoholics.

"An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." - Ernest Hemingway
 
Aiden's overacting is a valid argumentative point, but Guard's five page essay in which we're supposedly forced to loath the CIA Operative is sincerely because the scene offers lazy writing -- that in itself a form of a 'MacGuffin'.

An operative's job is to extract intel from his or her contact and/or prisoner, and they'll get it by any means. So, I ask you, how does one's level of arrogance apply here? It doesn't.

The '*****e' had every right to feel confident with Pavel spilling his guts, Bane in handcuffs, and his men armed to the teeth on the ''company's'' aircraft. Aiden's character perceived the situation as one of total control, or the power seat. Who knows? Perhaps Aiden's character despised criminals like Bane, and he wanted to break Bane's level of confidence by threatening and talking down to his asset/prisoner.

Guard's post is well-written, however, it doesn't excuse the manure located beneath the surface. The audience is, or at least should be, fully aware of who the villain is, but will that stop them from adoring a character like The Joker? People will still root for the villain because he is a total badass. Furthermore, are we suppose to view a complex villain (like Loki and The Lizard) and not sympathize or relate to him or her because it radiates of 'horrific' writing? Give me a break. This is a comic book adaptation, not reality.
Totally agree. Guard's post was pretty amazing though.
 
I thoroughly enjoyed the CIA Agent in the prologue. I'm sure he didn't channel his inner artistic "beast" to achieve this performance, nor did he hang out outside Langton to get a real feel of how real operatives act like. He overacted, hammed it up like there was no tomorrow. The result was, to me, a very refreshing and enjoyable performance from an actor portraying a role as dull as "CIA Agent #1".

And, like real government representatives and operatives, I despised him and hoped someone would shut him up. And I got just that.
 
Erm... I would think marijuana had a greater impact than alcohol. In my experience, at least, alcohol just puts me to sleep, while marijuana makes me all creative n' stuff...

Now that would be fascinating... watch Inception while stoned... then Batman Begins and The Dark Knight...

I have SO got to do that! :woot:

Speaking from personal experience, it is simply a must see.

The money shots are really what make it worth it.
The first time I watched BB high, my jaw literally dropped to the floor during the shot of Batman perched on the edge of the building.

Same thing for TDK and Joker sticking his head out of the cop car window.
 
The dialogue for the prologue is expository. It's not "good" dialogue in the least. The agent's dialogue is absurd. People simply don't talk like that. Not in the real world. Hence my Bond film statement.

Nor is TDKR having the same prologue weaknesses as TDK appropriate. They should have learned from the weaknesses in the previous film's prologue and bit parts (over the top acting and clunky dialogue) and corrected them. They apparently didn't.



Restraint. Especially from an established actor like this. He's a decent actor, and has done much better, but he's AWFUL here. Yelling his lines even after the plane doors are closed? It's just absurd. There are ways to play "arrogant *****e" without reducing it to an utter cliche and playing it over the top, awkwardly, and loudly. This performance doesn't even belong in this relatively serious scene. He's OVERacting to the point of distraction, which is just as bad as not acting enough.

Acting is about balance, not about randomly stressing words so it seems like you're being emotional. It's about finding a realistic and appropriate level of emotion. He failed to do so given the context of the scene.

Now, maybe as an actor, he's trying to make a splash as a character actor, but I guarantee you he made the wrong impression for any serious filmmaker. Had he used some restraint in his performance, the scene almost works. He could still be a little over the top, a little "arrogant *****e". Just not as MUCH.

He's pretending to be a big man? Well, yeah. He IS a big man. While everyone has flaws, with the CIA, you don't get to that level and be completely useless. He's in charge on some level of the CIA. I get that. He's posturing. Does that mean that every aspect of the man has to scream "arrogant amateur"?

Bane is apparently a mercenary, which makes this guy the "good guy". I can't be happy that a CIA agent dies just because he's annoying.

Here's the thing. Whether he's supposed to be a superarrogant *****e or not...

There's no REASON for him to be. Bane is the VILLAIN. Bane doing what he does it supposed to be imrpessive by itself, not just because he's doing it to a *****e.

It'd be one thing is this guy was irritating comic relief, and around for a decent portion of the film, and developed as such. He's not. There's no reason for him to be like this, and no payoff for this type of character this early in the film. So why is this type of character in the film?

If Nolan ends up using this to make us "hate" the CIA for some stupid and incredibly tired "The CIA was in on it all along" plot twist, then I really have issues with this sequence. Because if you can't make us dislike something without it being loud and annoying, you shouldn't be using that element.

Bottom line is that it ends up being lazy, awkward filmmaking, and doesn't belong here. Honestly, its watching performances like this that makes me think Nolan does't quite have the sensibilities for directing actors that some people think he does.

As much as I'd like to be happy that the CIA guy was a *****e and paid for it...I can't be. The guy was going to pay anyway. Now it just seems like Bane managed to take out a bunch of pushovers. Wow. Hell of a mercenary. Now compare that to COUNTLESS scenes of CAPABLE characters being overcome by villains. Which is more satisfying?

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I agree with some of your points here. But on the other hand, I just think the scene is done the way the director intended it to be done. Whether Nolan gave direction to Aiden as to how the CIA guy should have been played or he gave the actor free control to just play it as he saw the character should have been played, this is what Nolan decided to go with for the scene that would somewhat set the tone for the movie. I wouldn't attribute this scene to lazy film making but rather this is what Nolan wanted.
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Can't wait til the actual movie comes out and there's a whole 160 minutes to overanalyze as opposed to 6. The guy had 5 lines. He really wasn't that awful. In the scheme of the entire scene, in fact, I barely noticed him.
 
I didn't have a huge problem with the CIA Agent as a character (in fact I kind of liked how he wasn't typically "slick", he was just a working guy in a polo shirt and windbreaker) but a lot of the dialogue was expository. The worst example of this in my mind is when the agent talks to Bane twice about getting caught. It was redundant.
 
I must be the only person on this board who does not do drugs.

I only smoke marijuana, and then, I think that least time I got high was 6 months ago. I don't do it off.

I do drink alcohol, but it's usually a glass of single malt scotch (Glenlivet 12-year-old is my favorite), and not much, and I usually nurse it for a good half-hour or longer before I actually finish it. I've had Strawberry Daiquiris in the past, which I do like, but not very often. I hate beer with a passion and I don't like getting drunk, so... yeah...

I do want to give LSD and shrooms a try, but only once each, and only because I'm a curious person and like to have my own experiences.

Besides... I have more fun watching other people become inebriated and then making fun of them... :woot:

Plus he's dead... have some respect jeez.

Yeah! Srsly!
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I don't know why I just thought about this, but at what point in the wreckage investigation are they going to find out that one of the guards died from gunshot wounds? (Bane's guy shoots him when lowering into plane)
 
In a plane crash they're either not going to do such an extensive autopsy and/or the body would be too pulverized to find such a wound.
 

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