The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

[not_a_victim]

All of this discussion is very interesting.

For me, the clunky (or terrible) moments in the dialogue (like the CIA agent and the press conference) are a result of poor directing and poor casting ( for example, Maggie was just horrendous in TDK).

I also think that those moments are made worse by the fact that they contrast greatly with the `realistic` world Nolan has put his Bat films in. It`s odd to me that Nolan would spend so much time making his films as gritty as possible, then decide to include beyond cheesy dialogue in them.

Nolan didn't write the dialogue.
Folks, Directors don't have total control over every aspect of a movie. Writers, producers, costume designers, etc all have input on their portion of the production.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Nolan didn't write the dialogue.
Folks, Directors don't have total control over every aspect of a movie. Writers, producers, costume designers, etc all have input on their portion of the production.

Written by Christopher Nolan doesn't come to mind, does it?

Directors are the spear-heads of the production, when they *do* have carte-blanche from producers and studio execs, they have complete control over the movie. In other words, they have *final* say.

You really think writers and lowly costume designers have control over aspects of the movie? You're out of your mind. Writers in general don't get much respect in Hollywood. And costume designers configure their ideas with the directors. They're there to work *with* the director, because that is his role, to direct everyone down his visionary path using their input. Same with a writer. Everyone is listening to the director. And something the director has to respond to a producer or a studio executive, who might not like the way a production is going. The money men will always have the last word, but when they don't (which is preferable in a healthy movie production) it's the director's job.

 

[munchie64]

Also, he only said the surname. He could very well be talking about Jonathan Nolan.

 

[Pwz414]

In a plane crash they're either not going to do such an extensive autopsy and/or the body would be too pulverized to find such a wound.

Meh, the pilots would have gotten a transmission out. I wonder if the whole "disguise" aspect of the crash was conjured to show that Bane's thugs will gladly die for him? Or to hide Pavol's abduction? Either way, I doubt it would work in real life. Investigators would find the wings a good 10 miles back of the fuselage, that would raise suspicion. The last minute flight plan change would too. This crash wouldn't obliterate the bodies. In fact, it may even be survivable. No explosions or fire, 160 mph or so impact speed... I would equate it to the Richie Valens/Bopper/Holly, crash. The bodies were broken and a bit mauled, but no were near unrecognizable. I do believe an investigation would reveal foul play.

The real question is, where did the plane crash? It may have gone down in a place were the CIA couldn't investigate at all, and they may have some explaining to do as to why their plane was there to begin with. If that were the case, Bane's misdirection may have been a bit overkill.


These movies are not air-tight, in fact far from it, but they take Batman seriously and I appreciate that.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE-1RPDqJAY

thank you for that sir!!

 

[American_Idiot]

I too had a hard time getting passed the dialogue.

Starting with Bane saying, "No one cared who I was until I put on the mask." as it's being revealed that it is Bane under the sack. The agent quickly replies, "If I pull it off, will you die?". I dunno. That just didn't seem like the next thing an agent would say in that situation. It felt more like dialogue pulled from a straight-to-DVD action flick.

Then it jumps right to the next off-beat part of the conversation. Bane replies, "It would be extremely painful." to which the agent says, "You're a big guy!" ??? Bane says back, "For you." I'm still not sure why they put that in there... Is it their way of batting off the complaints they knew they'd be hearing about Bane's size?

Fanboy: "Ok, I get it. Bane is not HUGE per se, but he's big to some people. I guess I can live with that."

Still, not to be a dialogue nazi, but this is the biggest movie of the year presumably...wouldn't "To you." have sounded better?

I'm really looking forward to this film folks, but like some of the other posts I've read, the prologue, mainly due to it's dialogue, was a letdown for me.

 

[The_Raganork]

You're a big guy = You can deal with pain, what's the big deal about it being painful.

For you.

 

[American_Idiot]

The way it was delivered sounded like a new topic rather than a continuation of what was said prior. You're right, but the way the actor said the lines, it was as if he had said, "Hey, how'd you get so big?!", and that's how I heard it.

"To you" still would have sounded better too, imo.

 

[BaleISBatman4ev]

You guys *****ing about the dialogue are ridiculous. The same thing happened when TDK prologue was out. Everyone complained that the acting and dialogue were terrible but in the context of THAT film that scene was perfect and now its Iconic.

Personally I think the dialogue and acting in the TDKR prologue are less cheesey and played WAY more straight than the TDK prologue. Can't believe we're still having these conversations about whether or not we think the Nolans can write or not!?!? Its laughable.

 

[American_Idiot]

I never had gripes about TDK's prologue. Nothing about it seemed forced or corny, to me anyway.

I want to like TDKR's prologue, but I just have a hard time getting past it's dialogue. I like the scene on mute, but the conversation between Bane and the agent seems like it was written by amateurs. Aside from that, I'm still stoked about this movie, as I've been rooting for Bane as the villain ever since... Well, ever since Nolan rebooted Batman.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Haha it's not Bane is big "for" that CIA guy or big "to him", he is saying it would be painful "for you", as in if the CIA guy tried to take off his mask Bane would **** him up real bad.

It is an interjection...

CIA: If I pull that off would you die?

BANE: It would be extremely painful-

CIA: - You’re a big guy.

BANE: For you!

 

[American_Idiot]

Haha it's not Bane is big "for" that CIA guy or big "to him", he is saying it would be painful "for you", as in if the CIA guy tried to take off his mask Bane would **** him up real bad.

It is an interjection...

CIA: If I pull that off would you die?

BANE: It would be extremely painful-

CIA: - You’re a big guy.

BANE: For you!

Thank you for clearing that up. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. I really didn't see it that way. The way the actors deliver the lines in this scene...it's just hard to hear it that way. It really sounded like two different topics, but being an interjection, having Bane basically ignore his "You're a big guy!" taunt makes more sense... I know it's wishful thinking, but in that case, it'd be nice to see them dub over and make the agent sound like he's being sarcastic rather than in awe of his size.

 

[BatmanGoesToRio]

Haha it's not Bane is big "for" that CIA guy or big "to him", he is saying it would be painful "for you", as in if the CIA guy tried to take off his mask Bane would **** him up real bad.

It is an interjection...

CIA: If I pull that off would you die?

BANE: It would be extremely painful-

CIA: - You’re a big guy.

BANE: For you!

I've always understood it this way. It's the only way this dialogue makes sense IMHO.

 

[Nevincer]

Haha it's not Bane is big "for" that CIA guy or big "to him", he is saying it would be painful "for you", as in if the CIA guy tried to take off his mask Bane would **** him up real bad.

It is an interjection...

CIA: If I pull that off would you die?

BANE: It would be extremely painful-

CIA: - You’re a big guy.

BANE: For you!

I always interpreted it this way, and I hope that's how it is meant to be interpreted. It goes along more with the idea I believe Ragnarok perpetuated that taking off his mask won't be his 'weakness' persay, but more like having to handle an injured animal... far more dangerous and lethal than before.

 

[vanson]

i understood everything but the thing bane says to his buddy, who then has to stay on the plane..
i know from this thread he says " no they expect one of is in the wreckage brother" ..
but even after watching it a couple of times i dont think the sentence goes on with that after "no they expect - "

 

[batbax]

I always interpreted it this way, and I hope that's how it is meant to be interpreted. It goes along more with the idea I believe Ragnarok perpetuated that taking off his mask won't be his 'weakness' persay, but more like having to handle an injured animal... far more dangerous and lethal than before.

Yeah really never even occurred to me it could be taken any other way than this. When I first saw it it was seemingly obvious that bAne was warning the CIA not to **** with the mask. I guess I can see how it could be confusing, but I know both people I saw it with instantly knew what bane meant.

 

[Travesty]

Haha it's not Bane is big "for" that CIA guy or big "to him", he is saying it would be painful "for you", as in if the CIA guy tried to take off his mask Bane would **** him up real bad.

It is an interjection...

CIA: If I pull that off would you die?

BANE: It would be extremely painful-

CIA: - You’re a big guy.

BANE: For you!

I honestly can't see how you would see it this way, especially with how much they pause in between the questions and the answers, along with how the camera pans to CIA to Bane to CIA to Bane. Every time the CIA asked a question, it paused for a second, then went straight to Bane, paused for a second, back to CIA to ask again, paused, and went back to Bane to answer. The scene is shot in a way that shows us that the CIA's questions were always answered.

If you're just reading a script, I can possibly see how you can interpret it that way, but the way it was shot doesn't come off that way at all. It would only make sense if Bane said, "it would be extremely painful", and without any hesitation, the camera stays on Bane, while we hear the CIA agent say he's big immediately after Bane's dialogue, then we see Bane cut him off, and reply quickly with "for you". There's way too many pauses for you to think that Bane just ignored "you're a big guy", along with the camera panning back to CIA for every question. And if we are to assume he ignored the "big guy" part, why have it in there, along with all the pauses, to make it sound like Bane is answering every question the CIA guy asked?

 

[KRIM]

Thank goodness you explained that. That's how I always viewed the exchange in my two IMAX viewings, but then I went in here and everyone saw it differently so I just never addressed it.

 

[munchie64]

I always saw it as a response tot he mask question. Just makes more sense exposition wise.

 

[Travesty]

Thank goodness you explained that. That's how I always viewed the exchange in my two IMAX viewings, but then I went in here and everyone saw it differently so I just never addressed it.

You talking to me or gorilla?

 

[KRIM]

You talking to me or gorilla?

Me and gorillas aren't on speaking terms.

 

[batbax]

Thank goodness you explained that. That's how I always viewed the exchange in my two IMAX viewings, but then I went in here and everyone saw it differently so I just never addressed it.

Interesting. I thought it was pretty straightforward. Common sense also dictates he's not telling CIA
he's a big guy..... For him. Makes no sense. Everyone I know that
saw it interpreted it that way(that bane was warning him what would happen if he took yhe mask off)but it's interesting how some didn't catch it.

 

[Yurka]

-It would be extremely painful

-You're a big guy... (Something like that could hurt you?)

-For you

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah, I pretty much assumed Bane paused when answering the operative's question regarding his mask, and his fate if it were torn off.

Why would Bane dignify an answer to: "You're a big guy!"

 

[batbax]

Yeah, I pretty much assumed Bane paused when answering the operative's question regarding his mask, and his fate if it were torn off.

Why would Bane dignify an answer to: "You're a big guy!"

Yeah really the more I think about it it's really weird anyone could view it like that. Why would bane tell him "yeah I'm a big guy- for you"? Lol.