The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - - Part 13

[KRIM]

Interesting. I thought it was pretty straightforward. Common sense also dictates he's not telling CIA
he's a big guy..... For him. Makes no sense. Everyone I know that
saw it interpreted it that way(that bane was warning him what would happen if he took yhe mask off)but it's interesting how some didn't catch it.

Bleh, I'm a moron. Clearly skimming did me no good here, as I was confused by the responses so I went back and read this whole page again carefully.

It seems that I do in fact agree with gorilla (oy Travesty, lol) in his assessment that Bane's "For you!" line is in reference to who the pain will be inflicted on, as per the previous line.

 

[American_Idiot]

Yeah really the more I think about it it's really weird anyone could view it like that. Why would bane tell him "yeah I'm a big guy- for you"? Lol.

That's exactly why it seemed awkward. The delivery plus the pauses and constant camera switches made it seem, as Travesty pointed out, that Bane was responding to every thing the agent said.

"You're a big guy" ---> "For you" sounds stupid, but I'm not alone in hearing it that way. It can easily be interpreted that way, which is why I feel the scene could use a little work in post production.

Imagine one of Batman's opponents yelling, "You're a frightening guy." to which Batman responds, "For you.", you can see how it seems like they went for it, but missed the mark. Even if it started with Batman saying, "It all ends here...", it would confuse many audience members.

 

[Travesty]

That's exactly why it seemed awkward. The delivery plus the pauses and constant camera switches made it seem, as Travesty pointed out, that Bane was responding to every thing the agent said.

To me, it comes down to one of two things: it's either bad dialogue, or it's bad camera work/editing.

 

[MrWayne]

Yea I had this another post that I feel that when Banes mask is removed he goes into some Berserker rage, and all that calm cool collected calculated bravado goes out the window and the wild and untamed beast is unleashed!

 

[batbax]

That's exactly why it seemed awkward. The delivery plus the pauses and constant camera switches made it seem, as Travesty pointed out, that Bane was responding to every thing the agent said.

"You're a big guy" ---> "For you" sounds stupid, but I'm not alone in
hearing it that way. It can easily be interpreted that way, which is why I feel the scene could use a little work in post production.

Imagine one of Batman's opponents yelling, "You're
a frightening guy." to which Batman responds, "For you.", youcan see how it seems like they
went for it, but missed the mark. Even if it started with Batman
saying, "It all ends here...", it would confuse many audience
members.

I get what your saying and when just reading it in text yeah it comes across weird- but the way the scene played out- and especially the inflection in banes voice when he says "for you" makes it pretty obvious to me what he's talking about. But hey everyone views things differently I'm just a bit surprised some people didn't catch it as it was immediately clear to me what they were getting at. It's all good tho.

 

[batbax]

To me, it comes down to one of two things: it's either bad dialogue, or it's bad camera work/editing.

Well seeing as the majority of people had no problem telling what was going on, I don't think so. One may not like the words being said, but like I said it didn't take too much leap of logic to know bane was clearly making a threat/warning.

 

[batbax]

Edit

 

[MrWayne]

I get what your saying and when just reading it in text yeah it comes across weird- but the way the scene played out- and especially the inflection in banes voice when he says "for you" makes it pretty obvious to me what he's talking about. But hey everyone views things differently I'm just a bit surprised some people didn't catch it as it was immediately clear to me what they were getting at. It's all good tho.

I kinda caught it on my first viewing, knowing Banes character and all, plus it just makes more sense if he's telling the CIA guy "it will be extremely painful for you if you remove my mask" lol

I think once we see the movie after the first 6 minutes it will all gel together really well.. but at the same time I'm sure we'll be right up here right after with a gazillion other things to harp about lol

 

[Travesty]

Well seeing as the majority of people had no problem telling what was going on, I don't think so. One may not like the words being said, but like I said it didn't take too much leap of logic to know bane was clearly making a threat/warning.

I know Bane was making a threat/warning, but if that's the exact way it's supposed to be interpreted, it's bad camera editing.

Nolan is notorious for confusing camera work/editing, and it has nothing to do with "well, I understood it, so that makes it alright". I understood the Joker semi-truck chase scene, but the camera work was really bad. So again, if that's the way the scene is supposed to be interpreted, then it's bad editing.

But one thing that I don't agree with American Idiot, is that when the CIA agent says "you're a big guy", he doesn't literally mean "a big guy", he's saying he's tough enough to take the mask off. Kinda like when you were really young, and start to cry over something stupid, and your mom would say, "oh come on, your a big boy now". They weren't trying to address any size issues with Bane.

So the way I took it, is when he says "you're a big guy"(you're tough enough), Bane replies "for you". As in, I'm a tough guy for you.

 

[batbax]

It's not bad editing to me because I had no problem whatsoever following what was going on. Banes inflection gives it away irregardless of where the camera is. Also, why would bane ever feel the need to tell mr. CIA *****e, of all people, that he's a tough guy- for him? I'm pretty sure he knows that, bane knows that, and the audience knows it. But like I said if it's bad editing for you and you didn't get it- that's fine. I actually thought it was more straightforward than many inception moments, and no one would call those bad camerawork or editing.

 

[batman11]

Kinda like when you were really young, and start to cry over something stupid, and your mom would say, "oh come on, your a big boy now".

I now wish this were the actual line in the film...

"It would be extremely painful."

"Oh come on Bane, you're a big boy now!"

"For you."

 

[Travesty]

IAlso, why would bane ever feel the need to tell mr. CIA *****e, of all people, that he's a tough guy- for him?

Because The CIA's line was a bit sarcastic, so Bane was being sarcastic back. I always took that line as being sarcastic. The CIA guy is totally intrigued by the mask, and is completely evident from the begging when he's acting like he was throwing the henchmen out the door, asking about the mask. Then, the first question he asks Bane is "if I pull it off will you die"(another question about the mask). Bane said it would be extremely painful, but the CIA guy wants to know more, so he says, "you're a big guy"(come one man, you're tough enough if I took it off /sarcasm), to which Bane replies, "for you"(yeah, I am tougher than you, just try and see what happens /sarcasm).

I'm pretty sure he knows that, bane knows that, and the audience knows it.

Then why would the CIA guy tell Bane he's a big guy? He knows that, Bane knows that, and the audience knows that. If that's supposed to be taken literally, thats bad dialogue.

But like I said if it's bad editing for you and you didn't get it- that's fine. I actually thought it was more straightforward than many inception moments, and no one would call those bad camerawork or editing.

I actually think the editing is fine, my point is that the exchange with the "you're a big guy" is interpreted differently for me. For you, the line is useless and unnecessary, therefore, making the entire edit bad. And if that's the case, then yes, the edit is bad, but I'm not saying that's what I thought.

 

[Travesty]

I now wish this were the actual line in the film...

"It would be extremely painful."

"Oh come on Bane, you're a big boy now!"

"For you."

 

[MrWayne]

I'm very very curious to see if they remove the mask at all in the movie, I for one really wanna see what happens, and secondly, I'm just really curious to hear how Bane sounds with out it.

 

[batbax]

Because The CIA's line was a bit sarcastic, so Bane was being sarcastic back. I always took that line as being sarcastic. The CIA guy is totally intrigued by the mask, and is completely evident from the begging when he's acting like he was throwing the henchmen out the door, asking about the mask. Then, the first question he asks
Bane is "if I pull it off will you die"(another question about the
mask). Bane said it would be extremely painful, but the CIA guy
wants to know more, so he says, "you're a big guy"(come one man,
you're tough enough if I took it off), to which Bane replies, "for
you"(yeah, I am tougher than you, just try and see what happens).

Then why would the CIA guy tell
Bane he's a big guy? He knows that, Bane knows that, and the
audience knows that. If that's supposed to be taken literally,
thats bad dialogue.

I actually think the editing is fine,
my point is that the exchange with
the "you're a big guy" is interpreted differently for me. For you, the line
is useless and unnecessary, therefore, making the entire edit
bad. And if that's the case, then yes, the edit is bad, but I'm not
saying that's what I thought.

Lol not gonna respond to the whole thing I'm on my iPhone but I'll just say that the line isn't "useless and unnecessary" to me- but it may very well be to bane.. He doesn't really give bane a chance to finish his thought of "it would be extremely painful"... Cua *****e interrupts him with "your a big guy".. and bane simply ignores it and finishes his thought with.. "for you". So no, not meaningless but maybe meaningless to bane. And it doesn't make it bad dialogue. You argues earlier that it had to be bad editing so forgive me for thinking that's what you thought. I can't really see how If in fact what we are all saying is true it's bad editing- but if it's what you think it is it's not, but thats really down to personal preference. In fact if it's really meant to be taken the way your thinking it is-THEN it's bad dialogue. But it is what it is. I'm fairly confident bane is telling him it will be extremely painful for mr. CIA and I'm fairly confident most of the audience will have no problem interpreting it as such.

 

[Yurka]

- If I pull that off will you die?

-It would be extremely painful...

-You're a big guy... (CIA guy has a surprised and shocked expression/delivery) (But you're a big guy? Something like that could hurt you?)

-For you

 

[Travesty]

Lol not gonna respond to the whole thing I'm on my iPhone but I'll just say that the line isn't "useless and unnecessary" to me- but it may very well be to bane.. He doesn't really give bane a chance to finish his thought of "it would be extremely painful"... Cua *****e interrupts him with "your a big guy".. and bane simply ignores it and finishes his thought with.. "for you".

And that's exactly what makes it bad editing if it's supposed to be that way, because he did give Bane enough time to finish his thought, as it paused, went back to CIA, he asked his question, it paused, and went back to Bane, who then answered back. If Bane "simply ignored it", the camera should have stayed on Bane, and there shouldn't have been any pauses in between Bane's "thought".

You argues earlier that it had to be bad editing so forgive me for thinking that's what you thought.

Next time, I'll be completely blunt when I play devil's advocate.

In fact if it's really meant to be taken the way your thinking it is-THEN it's bad dialogue. But it is what it is.

So now sarcasm is bad dialogue, but having a completely useless line that adds nothing to the conversation, is good dialogue?

I'm fairly confident bane is telling him it will be extremely painful for mr. CIA and I'm fairly confident most of the audience will have no problem interpreting it as such.

I'm not denying that he said it would be bad if the CIA guy pulls off the mask, but what we seem to be arguing is that you went from A to C, without looking at B....or saying that B is useless(for bane).

 

[batbax]

All movies have lines that technically could be taken out, trav... And just because it doesn't fit in with what you thinks going on with the scene doesn't make it useless or meaningless.. CIA was caught off guard when bane said it would be painful, so he responded with your a big guy... Your letting your own personal views of the scene dictate what is or is not useless dialogue. Did it need to be there? Maybe, maybe not but in my view it added a bit if a dynamic dramatic affect when bane responds with a cold blooded "for you". It's not a matter of bad editing either because as I said Hardys inflection is what tells you what is going on and what is gonna go down if the mask is removed. Anyways, this is becoming rather tedious and you seem intent on picking thus apart to the bare bones but let's just agree to disagree and I'm sorry you missed out on a pretty cool moment in the prologue.

 

[batbax]

Adding to that.. It's like when CIA asks bane "what's the next step in your master plan"..? And there's a pause.."crashing this plane"!!.. Music kicks in and chills run up the spine of the audience.. Technically CIA line isn't necessary here either, but it adds dramatic weight to what comes after.. Same with "your a big guy".. Bane coldly replies "for you"... Neither CIA line
are completely necessary in a literal sense but are hardly
meaningless as they add weight to what comes after.

 

[Travesty]

All movies have lines that technically could be taken out, trav...

I'm not denying that.

And just because it doesn't fit in with what you thinks going on with the scene doesn't make it useless or meaningless..

I don't think the line is useless, you seem to think the character thinks that, which does make it a useless line. It serves no purpose if he was still continuing on with his first line of thought.

CIA was caught off guard when bane said it would be painful, so he responded with your a big guy... Your letting your own personal views of the scene dictate what is or is not useless dialogue.

Actually, what you can't seem to answer, is if the dialogue falls inline with a single thought process from Bane, why would there be distinct pauses between the discussion, and why would the camera pan back to the actor who is questioning the other? Does Bane have a hard time spitting out a simple sentence, by letting more questions be asked before he goes, "oh yeah, I forgot to end my sentence...now, what did I say? Oh yes, <Hmmmm mmmm> let me clear my throat, while he asks another question......FOR YOU".

Anyways, this is becoming rather tedious and you seem intent on picking thus apart to the bare bones but let's just agree to disagree and I'm sorry you missed out on a pretty cool moment in the prologue.

Ha, talk about getting "the last word in": "lets agree to disagree, but I'm right, and you have no idea what your talking about, too bad you missed out on such a monumental event".

Adding to that.. It's like when CIA asks bane "what's the next step in your master plan"..? And there's a pause.."crashing this plane"!!.. Music kicks in and chills run up the spine of the audience.. Technically CIA line isn't necessary here either, but it adds dramatic weight to what comes after.. Same with "your a big guy".. Bane coldly replies "for you"... Neither CIA line
are completely necessary in a literal sense but are hardly
meaningless as they add weight to what comes after.

That's not even close to being the same thing. What you're saying, is that Bane's single line of thought to the first question was "it would be extremely painful for you", that it just so happened to be interjected with "you're a big guy", before Bane could get out the last bit.

That example above is pretty straightforward. The CIA guys asks a question, and he gets a response. That's not even close to what we're arguing about.

 

[batbax]

I'm not denying that.



I don't think the line is useless, you seem to think the character thinks that, which does make it a useless
line. It serves no purpose if he was still continuing on with his first line
of thought.

It serves the purpose of adding drama to the scene. It's a movie.

Actually, what you can't seem to
answer, is if the dialogue falls inline with a single thought process
from Bane, why would there be distinct pauses between the
discussion, and why would the camera pan back to the actor who
is questioning the other? Does Bane have a hard time spitting out
a simple sentence, by letting more questions be asked before he
goes, "oh yeah, I forgot to end my sentence...now, what did I say?
Oh yes, <Hmmmm mmmm> let me clear my throat, while he asks
another question......FOR YOU".

It adds drama to the scene. It's a movie.

Ha, talk about getting "the last word in": "lets agree to disagree,
but I'm right, and you have no idea what your talking about, too bad
you missed out on such a monumental event".

Being a but overdramatic aren't we(oh the irony).

That's not even close to being the same thing. What you're saying, is
that Bane's single line of thought to the first question was "it would be
extremely painful for you", that it just so happened to be interjected
with "you're a big guy", before Bane could get out the last bit.

Yup. Added for dramatic weight. The line isn't meaningless in the sense your pretending. Your looking at it in extremely myopic black and white way. It works, once again, to add weight to banes next words. If it didn't work for you, that's cool, but let's not pretend the line is totally meaningless just because it isn't totally rational the way your pretending.

That example above is pretty straightforward. The CIA guys asks
a question, and he gets a response. That's not even close to
what we're arguing about.[/QUOTE

Because, like I said, bane ignored what came out of CIA mouth and completed his thought. If you don't like the way it's edited or what have you that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that it's what happened and the spaces are there for, you guessed it, dramatic effect. Happens all the time in movies. Not really hard to understand.

 

[Patty]

It's not bad editing to me because I had no problem whatsoever following what was going on. Banes inflection gives it away irregardless of where the camera is. Also, why would bane ever feel the need to tell mr. CIA *****e, of all people, that he's a tough guy- for him? I'm pretty sure he knows that, bane knows that, and the audience knows it. But like I said if it's bad editing for you and you didn't get it- that's fine. I actually thought it was more straightforward than many inception moments, and no one would call those bad camerawork or editing.

I dont wanna be that guy, but...

http://youtu.be/ot5nxmikXVA

 

[batbax]

Lol oops. I blame the iPhone.

 

[craigdbfan]

The iPhone blames you.

 

[Patty]

Lol oops. I blame the iPhone.

It's all good... because

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I still lve ya!