88th Annual Academy Awards

[Broseph44]

I'm gonna try to watch my copy of the Revenant tomorrow

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wall Street convinced me that Leo needs to do more comedy. F***ing Innaritu making him crawl through snow for three hours. Take some quaaludes, Leo!

I nearly died in the theater during the quaaludes scene. When he starts wondering how his daughter does it, I was done. That being said, I felt like Bale deserved it that year. Bale and Adams were criminally underrated for "American Hustle". The movie is Scorsese lite, but Bale and Adams were fantastic in it imo.

 

[Broseph44]

American Hustle was still an awesome movie though.

 

[jokesonm3]

Wall Street convinced me that Leo needs to do more comedy. F***ing Innaritu making him crawl through snow for three hours. Take some quaaludes, Leo!

Bears are funny.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

American Hustle was still an awesome movie though.

I really like it. But I feel like it is one of those movies carried by its actors.

 

[Broseph44]

I really like it. But I feel like it is one of those movies carried by its actors.

I agree with that for sure. I like Cooper in it too.

 

[jokesonm3]

Because 12 Years a Slave was the only thing that kept that from happening.

And Gravity deserved the awards it got, imo.

Gravity was the first ever movie i legit walked away from..... because the 3D looked so real it literally made me queasy.

Fantastic movie tho.

 

[kedrell]

The type of shots used, the lighting, the quality of the sets and costumes, etc.

The value of all of which to the movie as a whole is purely subjective. Some great movies are actually made by mistake. Some of the technical aspects don't turn out so well and it actually ends up making the movie BETTER. Jaws is a prime example of that. But we don't know about such mistakes and bad technical errors until long after the movie has come out usually. Now, were those technical aspects objectively bad or good? Neither because you can't divorce them from their intended purpose...to make the movie as good as possible(hopefully).

Look at your post to Drizzle. There is a fine example.

OK, he makes an observation and I point out that it seems like a specific taste-issue he has(which I think is an accurate observation of my own) and somehow this is passive aggressive on my part? It doesn't add up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree with that for sure. I like Cooper in it too.

I love them all. Bale, Adams, Lawrence, Cooper, Louis, and Renner all killed it imo.

 

[kedrell]

Wall Street convinced me that Leo needs to do more comedy. F***ing Innaritu making him crawl through snow for three hours. Take some quaaludes, Leo!

Maybe after he finally wins the Oscar this year he can pick a new hill to conquer.

 

[flickchick85]

This conversation got me thinking. Am I the only one that never gets the idea of Best Director going to something other then the BP nominee? The two that always stick in my mind are Ang Lee and Spielberg.

As I recall Ridley Scott has complained about this in the past. But in my mind, the direction is really one aspect of a film. Yes, it's arguably the biggest part as they obviously supervise the other aspects, but I don't believe they automatically deserve credit for those aspects and I also don't believe the best film is necessarily the best-directed film every time. I know I've seen lots of films that were amazingly directed but hurt by a mediocre script, for example. And on the other side, I've seen some great films where the actual directorial choices were lackluster, while other the elements of production were firing on all cylinders. It's a huge piece, don't get me wrong, but it's still just a piece of what goes into a film winning Best Picture, imo.

Also, I am watching Agent Carter right now. It seems like a bit of a quickie transfer, but still much better then the ABC broadcast. Though, there does not seem to be a play all feature, which is just stupid.

Damn, it's one of those borderline homemade releases, isn't it. My Happy Endings DVD set I got from them is like that and it bugs me.

 

[Broseph44]

I love them all. Bale, Adams, Lawrence, Cooper, Louis, and Renner all killed it imo.

Yeah they all did do a really wonderful job, I haven't seen it in a while.

 

[kedrell]

I didn't much care for American Hustle. Seemed like a Scorsese knock off done by someone who wasn't as in tune with the style of music. Like a bad cover band. Renner was the bright spot in it though. He actually made me feel bad for what happened to his character. And the small bit with DeNiro while great to see him in such a setting again only highlighted how far below in quality this movie was to the stuff he had been a large part of making popular. As one reviewer I follow said, it was like George Harrison jumped up on stage to jam with the band during a Monkee's concert.

 

[flickchick85]

Bale and Adams were criminally underrated for "American Hustle". The movie is Scorsese lite, but Bale and Adams were fantastic in it imo.

Agreed. That may actually be my favorite Bale performance. It's not as showy as some of his other stuff, but it was nuanced, and also something I've never seen from him in other performances - warm and lovable. There were points I just wanted to give Irving a hug, and I've never felt that way about a Bale character before, lol. And Amy was of course fantastic as well.

 

[Broseph44]

What do you like kedrell? You didn't like The Departed or American Hustle. Just curious some BP nominees you do like.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The value of all of which to the movie as a whole is purely subjective. Some great movies are actually made by mistake. Some of the technical aspects don't turn out so well and it actually ends up making the movie BETTER. Jaws is a prime example of that. But we don't know about such mistakes and bad technical errors until long after the movie has come out usually. Now, were those technical aspects objectively bad or good? Neither because you can't divorce them from their intended purpose...to make the movie as good as possible(hopefully).

Your Jaws example is my point. What they did with it is objectively effective.

Also, you seem to miss the point of this entire conversation. Lets use you and your love for MCU as a example. You are predisposed to like MCU films. You expect to like them and thus go in with a mentality to like them. That those films please your sensibilities makes them great films?

I personally dislike Sandra Bullock as an actress. Not as a person, but an actress. She grates me a bit. But I would never say she is a bad actress. I have seen bad actresses, she isn't one. She just isn't for me.

There are inherent truths that come with film. We know when we are seeing a good actress like Cate Blanchett or when a film looks cheap. Quality direction is easily identifiable.

OK, he makes an observation and I point out that it seems like a specific taste-issue he has(which I think is an accurate observation of my own) and somehow this is passive aggressive on my part? It doesn't add up.

Using your method of judging films, isn't it all just a personal issue? So why point it out with Drizzle?

 

[Broseph44]

I loved Bale in The Fighter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As I recall Ridley Scott has complained about this in the past. But in my mind, the direction is really one aspect of a film. Yes, it's arguably the biggest part as they obviously supervise the other aspects, but I don't believe they automatically deserve credit for those aspects and I also don't believe the best film is necessarily the best-directed film every time. I know I've seen lots of films that were amazingly directed but hurt by a mediocre script, for example. And on the other side, I've seen some great films where the actual directorial choices were lackluster, while other the elements of production were firing on all cylinders. It's a huge piece, don't get me wrong, but it's still just a piece of what goes into a film winning Best Picture, imo.

I get your point, and I think I agree with it for the most part, especially in theory. I just can't think of an example that works for me. I always felt it was telling that "Shakespeare in Love" and "Crash" being looked back upon shows it was a mistake, at least those years.

I also feel like how the Academy votes makes it hard to separate the two for me. It isn't like they award ridiculously well directed films that aren't usual Oscar fare.

Damn, it's one of those borderline homemade releases, isn't it. My Happy Endings DVD set I got from them is like that and it bugs me.

Yeah I think so. I think they didn't plan on releasing it, at least not that early, but the Amazon deal came up and they jumped on it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What do you like kedrell? You didn't like The Departed or American Hustle. Just curious some BP nominees you do like.

He likes Marvel Broseph. Duh. t:

 

[kedrell]

What do you like kedrell? You didn't like The Departed or American Hustle. Just curious some BP nominees you do like.

When did I say I didn't like The Departed? I merely said it was one of his weaker movies IMO. I still liked it. I loved WoWS, Gravity, and Captain Phillips from that year. The rest I either didn't like or didn't see(mostly the latter). This year I like 5 of the 8 nominated. Mad Max is the only one I saw and don't like while I didn't see Room or Brooklyn. Revenant, Big Short, Spotlight, Martian, and Bridge of Spies I all liked if not loved. There's still a couple of favorites of mine that are not among the nominees that I personally would bump out a few presently on there for but that's about it.

 

[Broseph44]

He likes Marvel Broseph. Duh. t:

I mean I like Marvel too, but is he one of these that praises every single MCU film?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agreed. That may actually be my favorite Bale performance. It's not as showy as some of his other stuff, but it was nuanced, and also something I've never seen from him in other performances - warm and lovable. There were points I just wanted to give Irving a hug, and I've never felt that way about a Bale character before, lol. And Amy was of course fantastic as well.

I am so with you on Bale in that film. I have loved him as an actor for a very long time, but "American Hustle" hit me so differently. It bothered me a bit how invested I got in his survival and his relationship with Adams' character. He was totally lovable.

 

[kedrell]

He likes Marvel Broseph. Duh. t:

You'd think that's all I like the way you tell it.

 

[Broseph44]

When did I say I didn't like The Departed? I merely said it was one of his weaker movies IMO. I still liked it. I loved WoWS, Gravity, and Captain Phillips from that year. The rest I either didn't like or didn't see(mostly the latter). This year I like 5 of the 8 nominated. Mad Max is the only one I saw and don't like while I didn't see Room or Brooklyn. Revenant, Big Short, Spotlight, Martian, and Bridge of Spies I all liked if not loved. There's still a couple of favorites of mine that are not among the nominees that I personally would bump out a few presently on there for but that's about it.

You don't like Mad Max? That's all I needed to hear.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You'd think that's all I like the way you tell it.