A day without mexicans!!!!

Darthphere said:
How exactly do they leech off of America? You mean like the hundreds of lazy americans on welfare?

Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes like the normal America, yet expect and recieve the same benefits. Thats leeching off America. I believe welfare is a flawed system as well and needs to be seriously reformed, paying people not to work is ridiculous.
 
StorminNorman said:
Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes like the normal America, yet expect and recieve the same benefits. Thats leeching off America. I believe welfare is a flawed system as well and needs to be seriously reformed, paying people not to work is ridiculous.

some illegal immigrants do pay taxes.
 
sinewave said:
some illegal immigrants do pay taxes.

It doesn't matter if they pay taxes or even pay more than then average American. The fact that they are here illegally should not be a rewarded behaviour in any way.
 
War Lord said:
They would be at least minimum wage if only legal immigrants were available.

LOL, not really Jonty, or else outsourcing wouldn't exist, and when your computer breaks down some guy in India wouldn't answer the call some guy in Indiana would.
 
StorminNorman said:
Sure we do, many want to come here to live a better life, on the same foot many come over with the intent of commiting crimes. If people truly want to live better lives in America, RESPECT OUR LAWS and immigrate here, LEGALLY.

see? you don't know why people go over to the US illegaly.
 
War Lord said:
It doesn't matter if they pay taxes or even pay more than then average American. The fact that they are here illegally should not be a rewarded behaviour in any way.

did i say anything about rewarding their behavior? i was just correcting norman's statement.
 
StorminNorman said:
Illegal Immigrants don't pay taxes like the normal America, yet expect and recieve the same benefits. Thats leeching off America. I believe welfare is a flawed system as well and needs to be seriously reformed, paying people not to work is ridiculous.

no, they don't, wrong on both counts, I don't see how working 3 times harder for less than half the pay with NO benefits is leeching of anything.
 
this whole issue is just to stirr up the conservatives ire and distract everyone from real issues like environmental polution, which affects far more americans than illegal immigrants do.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
LOL, not really Jonty, or else outsourcing wouldn't exist, and when your computer breaks down some guy in India wouldn't answer the call some guy in Indiana would.

I don't fix computers, I buy them fresh off the shelf as soon as they came from India.
 
sinewave said:
this whole issue is just to stirr up the conservatives ire and distract everyone from real issues like environmental polution, which affects far more americans than illegal immigrants do.

I think the inability to provide for your family is at least as important as any environmental issue.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
no, they don't, wrong on both counts, I don't see how working 3 times harder for less than half the pay with NO benefits is leeching of anything.

They can still work 3 times as hard and no benefits on their side of the border.
 
sinewave said:
this whole issue is just to stirr up the conservatives ire and distract everyone from real issues like environmental polution, which affects far more americans than illegal immigrants do.

and last time I checked the Military wasn't in Mexico, and last time I checked the terrorists from the 9-11 attacks where in the US on legal student visas.
 
War Lord said:
They can still work 3 times as hard and no benefits on their side of the border.

:confused: yes, of course they wouldn't get paid as much, that's obvious Jonty, I still don't see how working for pay is "leeching"? do enlighten me.
 
Mr Sparkle said:
:confused: yes, of course they wouldn't get paid as much, that's obvious Jonty, I still don't see how working for pay is "leeching"? do enlighten me.

The amount of taxes that illegals pay does not come close to the amount of social services that are provided, so illegals don't hold up end of the bargain, not that I can realistically expect them to.
 
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War Lord said:
I think the inability to provide for your family is at least as important as any environmental issue.

how is that the illegal immigrants' fault? they're working crappy jobs for less than minimum wage. if the companies didn't hire them just to save some cash and instead hired americans who wanted to work for minimum wage then there wouldn't be an issue. you can't blame the immigrants for that.
 
War Lord said:
The amount of taxes that illegals pay does not come close to the amount of social services that are provided, so illegals don't hold up end of the bargain, not that I can realistically expect them to.

provided to illegal immigrants or immigrants overall, seems kind of key, doesn't it?
 
StorminNorman said:
Sales taxes, not income taxes like legal Americans.

how do they get around paying income tax? they still pay property tax if they own real estate.
 
sinewave said:
how is that the illegal immigrants' fault? they're working crappy jobs for less than minimum wage. if the companies didn't hire them just to save some cash and instead hired americans who wanted to work for minimum wage then there wouldn't be an issue. you can't blame the immigrants for that.

I'm not blaming illegals for the wage thing, that I hold the company responsible. I blame illegals for coming into the country illegally and I hold them responsible for that. I hold the American citizen responsible for not holding politicians' feet to the fire on the immigration issue for not creating an enforceable situation and for their willingness to allow illegal immigration for when it didn't affect them.

The issue has aspects that everybody shares blame. However, it's gotta be fixed otherwise it will result in a terrible situation for all.
 

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