Fantasy A Harry Potter series for HBO?

[Boy Scout]

Yeah, I’m really not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

[Sithborg]

"Not the draw you think it is"

Sure, it may be a draw, but it is not going to save HBO Max. Especially with the headache of having to deal with the Rowling issue.

 

[Boy Scout]

I don’t think anyone here believes a Potter series will singlehandedly “save” HBO Max.

 

[TheFuture]

If we're talking about HBOMax having their own Mandolorian, a Harry Potter series can easily be that if done right. It is that popular.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don’t think anyone here believes a Potter series will singlehandedly “save” HBO Max.

Yeah it's not gonna be the one thing that "saves" Just like Mando isn't the single thing that "saved" or holds up Disney+ or Stranger Things is the main thing that holds up Disney+

 

[writer0327]

Yeah HBO Max needs franchises that lots of people care about to help push their platform forward. There are relatively few popular IPs that exist that I can think of that qualify and can do the heavy lifting. Star Wars, Marvel, LOTR, Transformers, Pokemon....those rights are owned by other media groups. WB have DC and they have HP. They have to make those two franchises their Marvel and Star Wars.

 

[Boy Scout]

You’re not wrong. And the only person (maybe) standing in the way of capitalizing even further on Potter is Rowling. She’s gonna be involved, for better or worse. She’s not dumb enough to sign her rights away. They could offer her a billion dollars and she’d probably still refuse.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't think it's necessarily a dumb move to sign the rights away. Not just in this case, but in many cases. But I get what your saying

 

[Boy Scout]

I don't think it's necessarily a dumb move to sign the rights away, but I get what your saying

Dumb was a little harsh. But she essentially has WB by the balls. My understanding of the way their agreement works (and I’m speaking very broadly here) is that unless they convince her otherwise, if she doesn’t want something to happen, it doesn’t happen. So that gives her a lot of leverage

 

[MadVillainy]

Dumb was a little harsh. But she essentially has WB by the balls. My understanding of the way their agreement works (and I’d speaking very broadly here) is that unless they convince her otherwise, if she doesn’t want something to happen, it doesn’t happen. So that gives her a lot of leverage

Yeah that's my understanding of it too

 

[Boy Scout]

You guys think they’ll go for Black Hermione if they do reboot the original books?

 

[TheFuture]

You guys think they’ll go for Black Hermione if they do reboot the original books?

I think down the line there is still hope they'll do a direct sequel where the gang are older, so I can't see them dumping Emma Watson of all people to recast.

But.....if they do somehow do a live action reboot, Hermione being black and even Harry being of Indian descent would not surprise me one bit. The latter in particular is a popular (and divisive) take within the fan community. TBH I don't think I'd care as long they were quality adaptations.

 

[MadVillainy]

You guys think they’ll go for Black Hermione if they do reboot the original books?

idk probably. I've even seen some fanart now that depicts her as black.

I never saw her as black personally. I actually don't like the idea of her being black because I feel it adds an extra unnecessary layer to the whole Mudblood, pureblood analogy. But if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it

If they wanted to change anyone's race, I'd make it Harry. But again I don't really care either way.

I think a bigger thing regarding race or ethnicity with Wizarding World is with these new Fantastic Beast movies they're going to Paris, Brazil, etc. and they aren't really doing anything with the people of those cities/countries.
I could be wrong, but I barely remember any important French characters or actors in FB2. I think there were only 2. And now looking at the cast list for FB3, there don't seem be any important characters being played by Brazilian or even South American performers.
I personally don't think that's racist, but similar to how they did Zoe Kravitz and the whole weird Nagani thing, the optics are a bit weird. Especially after they were kinda puffing out their chests about making Herimione black in Cursed Child.

 

[#root]

I was never the biggest HP fan but I remember having so much fun as a kid reading the books, waiting for the next book to come out, talking about all the theories and even watching the movies which I like less than the books. So it’s kinda sad that now my relationship with this franchise has soured so much that I’m not even remotely interested in anything new from it. Some of the stuff in Deathly Hallows, the Cursed Child, the Fantastic Beasts movies, all that superfluous crap Rowling kept revealing on Pottermore and Twitter were enough to turn me off this franchise and her but then she had to turn out to be a bigot... and then also double down on being a bigot so... yeah .

 

[TheFuture]

idk probably. I've even seen some fanart now that depicts her as black.

I never saw her as black personally. I actually don't like the idea of her being black because I feel it adds an extra unnecessary layer to the whole Mudblood, pureblood analogy. But if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it

If they wanted to change anyone's race, I'd make it Harry. But again I don't really care either way.

I think a bigger thing regarding race or ethnicity with Wizarding World is with these new Fantastic Beast movies they're going to Paris, Brazil, etc. and they aren't really doing anything with the people of those cities/countries.
I could be wrong, but I barely remember any important French characters or actors in FB2. I think there were only 2. And now looking at the cast list for FB3, there don't seem be any important characters being played by Brazilian or even South American performers.
I personally don't think that's racist, but similar to how they did Zoe Kravitz and the whole weird Nagani thing, the optics are a bit weird. Especially after they were kinda puffing out their chests about making Herimione black in Cursed Child.

I'd agree that making Hermione black was too on the nose to some degree, as I don't think it was necessary to throw that in with the mudblood slur. Then again Cursed Child didn't have to own that problem in anyway conveniently.

Cursed Child did a lot of chest puffing in general what with the queer baiting and all.

 

[Boy Scout]

idk probably. I've even seen some fanart now that depicts her as black.

I never saw her as black personally. I actually don't like the idea of her being black because I feel it adds an extra unnecessary layer to the whole Mudblood, pureblood analogy. But if they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it

I don’t like or dislike it. I don’t picture Hermione as black in my head, but it makes sense to me to have a woman of color portray a woman being persecuted because by the “elites” of society because of circumstances completely out of her control.

I think a bigger thing regarding race or ethnicity with Wizarding World is with these new Fantastic Beast movies they're going to Paris, Brazil, etc. and they aren't really doing anything with the people of those cities/countries.
I could be wrong, but I barely remember any important French characters or actors in FB2. I think there were only 2. And now looking at the cast list for FB3, there don't seem be any important characters being played by Brazilian or even South American performers.
I personally don't think that's racist, but similar to how they did Zoe Kravitz and the whole weird Nagani thing, the optics are a bit weird. Especially after they were kinda puffing out their chests about making Herimione black in Cursed Child.

You’re not wrong.

As for the hubbub surrounding Hermione and CC: people were dumb for complaining about it and Rowling was dumb for responding the way she did. Hermione is obviously white in the books. It’s not necessary to pretend otherwise to support colorblind casting for a stage play.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don’t like or dislike it. I don’t picture Hermione as black in my head, but it makes sense to me to have a woman of color portray a woman being persecuted because by the “elites” of society because of circumstances completely out of her control.

Oh yeah it makes sense. It's just that I don't think that extra layer in necessary. But that's me

 

[InCali]

You guys think they’ll go for Black Hermione if they do reboot the original books?

Maybe they should ask her how she feels about trans Hermione.

 

[Boy Scout]

Oh yeah it makes sense. It's just that I don't think that extra layer in necessary. But that's me

Nah, I hear ya. Thinking about it a little more, I think I’d argue it’s a flawed metaphor that needs to have a lot of thought put behind it to work as well as I think some people think it does.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

On the Rowling issue, I just want to say this: I really don't think people should be throwing HP and the Wizarding World stuff to the curb over really stupid behavior from its creator that has little to nothing to do with it. People still love Rosemary's Baby as a movie despite what Roman Polanski did, and what he did was WAY worse than some stupid transphobic comment. You can separate the art from the artist. You can enjoy Harry Potter and still be angry with the creator for being this big of a ****ing doucebag. That's my point.

And yeah, I'm not short-changing it or downplaying anything here, despite some people thinking I am: screw Rowling and her stupid comments and I really hope the trans community in Britain drown out the bigoted morons putting them down over there. Because I know she's not the only celebrity in the UK being awful to trans people and those *******s being dicks like that need to be put in their place!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

On the Rowling issue, I just want to say this: I really don't think people should be throwing HP and the Wizarding World stuff to the curb over really stupid behavior from its creator that has little to nothing to do with it. People still love Rosemary's Baby as a movie despite what Roman Polanski did, and what he did was WAY worse than some stupid transphobic comment.

I completely understand why the Trans community is angry with her. They have every right to be and I won't say otherwise. They don't wanna support HP anymore, that's THEIR choice. But for everyone else, myself Included, I don't want to see such an otherwise beloved and wonderful franchise be treated like **** and not recommended anymore because of unrelated bull**** like this! It's unfair and people should be allowed to enjoy it as they damn well please!

And YES, I WILL be going to the NYC store when it opens later this year, go see Cursed Child again with my mom once it re-opens (I promised I'd take her as she got me into this series), and yeah, giving the upcoming PS5 game and last 3 Fantastic Beasts a chance despite all this nonsense. If you don't like that, then that's YOUR problem, not MINE! I love Harry Potter and you can't make me change my ****ing mind on that, despite the creator being an ungodly idiot at the moment who needs to ****ing apologize!

You can do whatever you like, just like anyone else here. But your post here? It downplayed not only Rowling's transphobia, but transphobia in general. Ignoring not only how painful it is, but how JK Rowling and her transphobia is actually effecting the lives of British trans people, because it is being used to influence and shape law. What she has preached and championed being used to strip rights from human beings simply for being who they are.

The part I bolded in your post reads very much like trans folk need to go off in a corner and just not pay attention to HP anymore, while others enjoy it. It's so wrong on so many levels, but most specially it neglects that the trans community battle, is not theirs alone, just like the civil rights movement and gay rights were not only the battles of minorities and the gay/lesbian community.

I still love Harry Potter. I will eventually play the game and watch any television show they produce. The same will apply to many trans people. I will also continue to support the trans community. Do you know what I am not going to do? I am not going to stand on a soap box shouting loudly about how much I love and support Harry Potter and that if it were be brought down by people reacting to JK Rowling's vicious bigotry, it would somehow be a tragedy. Because I have far more love and respect for my fellow human beings then a ****ing book series.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

You can do whatever you like, just like anyone else here. But your post here? It downplayed not only Rowling's transphobia, but transphobia in general. Ignoring not only how painful it is, but how JK Rowling and her transphobia is actually effecting the lives of British trans people, because it is being used to influence and shape law. What she has preached and championed being used to strip rights from human beings simply for being who they are.

The part I bolded in your post reads very much like trans folk need to go off in a corner and just not pay attention to HP anymore, while others enjoy it. It's so wrong on so many levels, but most specially it neglects that the trans community battle, is not theirs alone, just like the civil rights movement and gay rights were not only the battles of minorities and the gay/lesbian community.

I still love Harry Potter. I will eventually play the game and watch any television show they produce. The same will apply to many trans people. I will also continue to support the trans community. Do you know what I am not going to do? I am not going to stand on a soap box shouting loudly about how much I love and support Harry Potter and that if it were be brought down by people reacting to JK Rowling's vicious bigotry, it would somehow be a tragedy. Because I have far more love and respect for my fellow human beings then a ****ing book series.

I'm not trying to downplay anything. I have nothing at all against trans people and the point I was trying to make is you can separate the art from the artist. That was all. To that end, I fixed my original comment clarifying my stance. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I wasn't trying to come off as stupid; this is a topic i usually don't discuss often and I was trying to be careful with the matter as to not upset people.

 

[Sithborg]

There is no ethical consumption. Everyone's tolerance is different.

I don't see anyone saying that the original books and movies need to be burned away from the public consciosness. Just that maybe, that is enough. She doesn't deserve anymore money or support. Or, perhaps the most likely, given they way she tripled down when faced with criticism, worry about what she will try to put in future projects.

 

[TheFuture]

There is no ethical consumption. Everyone's tolerance is different.

I don't see anyone saying that the original books and movies need to be burned away from the public consciosness. Just that maybe, that is enough. She doesn't deserve anymore money or support. Or, perhaps the most likely, given they way she tripled down when faced with criticism, worry about what she will try to put in future projects.

It would be a monumental shame for HP to be locked away and forgotten but ultimately I get it. I follow trans activists like Paris Lees on social media and I can see how much pain JK has caused to people. I am angry myself over it because Trans as an issue is something I've read about for a long time, and it annoyed me to see JK hide behind tired tropes in her essay from last summer.

At the end of the day I've lasted a decade since the end of the films and more when the books did; while it's tough to see a finite end to a world one loves, I can live with it.

 

[Sithborg]

Look, I have loved an incomplete book series for years. When Frank Herbert's son decided to complete the Dune series from his notes, the final result was not exactly satisfactory. Sometimes, keeping things limited is for the best. I will admit, there are some new Dune books that I have enjoyed. But sometimes, keeping something limited, and a one shot is best.