A question for Atheists

Wilhelm-Scream said:
I feel for the masses whose lives are crippled by these fear-based delusions of an angry, murderous God who loves everyone so much that he commits genocide, craves blood and tortures all of his creation. It's sad to see people enslaved to this malarky just because they're afraid of life, paralyzed by fear of Death and the unknown, and their own personal responsibility.
As I've stated many times, God is both justice and love. So-called "barbaric acts" have not always been the judgment of God. More often than not, they are attacks of Satan, or they're situations we created, made worse by us as a fallen race.



You can not have a relationship with a person you've never seen who has never talked with you. You may feel like you're having one (like people who go to their mother's grave and "talk" to her), but if they don't talk back, sorry...it's not a relationship.
Have you ever siomply stood still while someone yammered their head off at you, never listening to a word they say? That's what most do with God. He continually speaks to people, but many of them have closed their hearts so much, they don't even recognize His voice anymore.

And yet he won't forgive you of your sins once you're in Hell. If he really loved people unconditionally, he'd understand that, uh, since he's invisible, intangible and inaudible....and used to be a psycho killer who killed children, babies, and animals, left-and-right, some might have trouble believing he's real and should be given a chance to see that he's even REAL. But no. He has a deadline. If you're not good enough to shut off your mind by that deadline, you are completely, ultimately screwed.
That is a huge exaggeration of the truth. Given the fact that the average life expectancy of a human being is around 75 years or so, we have the majority of all that time to make the choice for Christ. If we refuse, then we've earned the fate we rightfully deserve. God doesn't send people to hell; we send ourselves by the life we have lived.

Please stop saying he unconditionally loves everyone.
Would you love someone you care for deeply, even if they committed a terrible crime like rape, molestation, or murder? the fact their actions and motives are horrendous doesn't change your love for them. God is the same way. He does love us unconditionally, whether we end up with Him in heaven or not. But He cannot allow the unrepentant to enter his Kingdom.

Wifebeater: "Honey, I'll ALWAYS love you, and I'd HATE to see you get hurt, so I'm pleading with you....HAVE MY DINNER READY AT 6PM SHARP SO I DON'T HAVE TO HIT YOU IN THE FACE! Please! I'd hate to see you have to face my wrath! Now I'd never FORCE you to have dinner ready by 6.....that's YOUR choice.....you can CHOOSE to either obey me, or face my wrath. But I HOPE you'll choose to obey, 'cause I love you and don't want to have to peel your skin off and stab your eyeballs and set you on fire."
That situation is entirely different. One, you're being sarcastic in trying to discredit God, which is impossible. Two, the husband in that scenario had the intention of barbarism from the very beginning; God doesn't.

It's not a "wrath to come"
It's HIS wrath. HE made the rules, and those rules are barbaric and unfair.
Not if you truly think about it, instead of dismissing it because it conflicts with what you want. the "wrath to come" refers to the end of this world, which has already been foretold in Revelation. It will happen, and so you're still left with the obvious choice: trust God over yourself, or don't. It's up to you.
 
It's where all the cool people on the Hype (except jag and musclesforsupes) go to take a breather from the entertaining but sometimes overwhelming stupidity on the Hype.

And the really hot ones (like me :oldrazz: ) stay away from the place so it won't go into meltdown mode ;)
 
I'm getting a distinct mental image from MovieFan's posts.

atheist_preacher_blinkorama_tilton_1.jpg
 
oh you mean x-mas? yea i celebrate x-mas... i love money.

easter though, i still think is a crock of ****.
 
Thanks for the compliment, Rabbit. My mother often says I'd make a good preacher, but I prefer to speak on a 1-to-1 basis.
 
As I've stated many times, God is both justice and love. So-called "barbaric acts" have not always been the judgment of God. More often than not, they are attacks of Satan, or they're situations we created, made worse by us as a fallen race.

Good point, Adolph!


Have you ever siomply stood still while someone yammered their head off at you, never listening to a word they say? That's what most do with God. He continually speaks to people, but many of them have closed their hearts so much, they don't even recognize His voice anymore.

Much as I'm trying to do right now, but just can't seem to stop.

That is a huge exaggeration of the truth. Given the fact that the average life expectancy of a human being is around 75 years or so, we have the majority of all that time to make the choice for Christ. If we refuse, then we've earned the fate we rightfully deserve. God doesn't send people to hell; we send ourselves by the life we have lived.

So, by that logic, people of other cultures, people who don't know a thing about Christianity, who may never have been exposed to it, such as some tribes of Africa, or people of that nature, are going to hell?

Would you love someone you care for deeply, even if they committed a terrible crime like rape, molestation, or murder? the fact their actions and motives are horrendous doesn't change your love for them. God is the same way. He does love us unconditionally, whether we end up with Him in heaven or not. But He cannot allow the unrepentant to enter his Kingdom.

"Greg, I love you, but you're Hindu. Sorry bud. DIE!" You know, you raise an interesting point about rape and murder, and molestation. In your holy book, God permits such things, and commits murder of innocents on grand scales many times.


That situation is entirely different. One, you're being sarcastic in trying to discredit God, which is impossible. Two, the husband in that scenario had the intention of barbarism from the very beginning; God doesn't.

One, it's very possible. Two, the husband has about the same intentions as your god does.

Not if you truly think about it, instead of dismissing it because it conflicts with what you want. the "wrath to come" refers to the end of this world, which has already been foretold in Revelation Are you one of those guys who literally believes that what happens in Revelation is actually going to occur? Seriously?. It will happen, and so you're still left with the obvious choice: trust God over yourself, or don't Myself is fine, thanks.. It's up to you.
 
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I don't know what's worse. Trying to impose your religious beliefs on a whole group of people, or hounding a single person.:huh:
 
Wilhelm scream, you're thinking about things so one-dimensionally... you assume these things are punishments, when in fact it's proven time and time again that suffering builds the character of Godliness. God loves us, but He has to test us... He doesn't want riff-raff up in Heaven messing things up ... He's got to make sure you can hold your own. Not be raping people and stuff... molesting children and killing people and stuff... can you imagine that going on in Heaven? It would undermine His power. Because once you get into Heaven, it looks really bad if you get sent down to Hell.. So, yeah, He's got to test you.

Unless you've been reformed by prison and prayer, you have to go to the Devil, who's into that kind of stuff... only not as punishment, as pleasure. But, he kinda helps God out, in a way, because he's so evil that even though you did the stuff he likes, he'll still mess you up good. Forever.
Imagine that, pain FOREVER. Like... a human life... that's not long. The rising and falling of the mountains over a thousand years? Nothing compared to forever. You can't comprehend forever anymore than you can comprehend infinity, what's beyond the edge of the universe... God. And the Devil, in a way, but he's underground.

See, you go through all these hardships in life so that you can just relax in Heaven...and just be in Peace everlasting. It's kinda like a job, only one that you have for your personal life! And the big boss is God. It's hard, no kidding :) but the rewards... think of the rewards - after you die! You've got to stop living in this moment, while you're alive, and instead just think about the future, after you're dead. Does that make sense?
Because when you're DEAD, is when things are going to get REALLY GREAT! If you're still in good with the Main Man.

Sure, rich people have got it pretty easy, yeah... but maybe God gives them cancer or something... or right before they die, they feel really lonely and sad about their lives of reckless sexual indulgence and selfishness! So sad that it's a worse feeling than any physical suffering you could imagine. And stuff is SO amazing in Heaven, the people that suffered more on Earth aren't bitter at the people who got it so easy. They just forgive and forget, because it's so great there. Who could stay mad about something like that? And God loves gays, definitely... that's why he gave them the biggest test of all - AIDS!

I sense a certain anger and defensiveness in your post, and that's because deep down in your heart of hearts...when you're alone in your bed, looking up at the ceiling... after pleasuring yourself... you cry silently and you pray to God for forgiveness. And He will always forgive you. Because He loves you. And there's still time to save your everlasting soul.

:heart:

MovieFan knows what's up

Hmmmm, is this MovieFan's mom?
 
I am staying out of this thread now...feel like I am at chruch :o

I leave by saying Athiests have a right to believe in no god, and all Christians do by trying to "save" us is anger us. If you see us "hell bound", then let us be. If we were meant to be in "heaven", we would get their on our own.
 
And God loves gays, definitely... that's why he gave them the biggest test of all - AIDS!
Oh, please! AIDS is not God's punishment against gays. :rolleyes: A non-promiscuous gay couple could live together in peacful monogomy and never contract the disease. Lots of straight people got AIDS from being promiscious. If it's a punishment at all (and I don't think it is), it's against sleeping around, not orientation. :rolleyes:
 
As I've stated many times, God is both justice and love. So-called "barbaric acts" have not always been the judgment of God. More often than not, they are attacks of Satan, or they're situations we created, made worse by us as a fallen race.
Um....dude....Satan had nothing to do with "slaughter a lamb, paint your doorposts with it's blood. Anyone who doesn't do that? I'll kill your firstborn son."
And the firstborn sons had NOTHING to do with Pharoah's disobediance OR their parents if their parents decided not to kill a lamb and paint their doors with it's blood, yet THEY were the ones who were murdered by your just and loving God.

There are hundreds of similar stories of his barbarism and sadism where Satan or Man have nothing to do with who suffers.

You're wrong.



Have you ever siomply stood still while someone yammered their head off at you, never listening to a word they say? That's what most do with God. He continually speaks to people, but many of them have closed their hearts so much, they don't even recognize His voice anymore.
This is another commonly used idea that is malarky.
NO!
God is not yammering his head off to me.
If a blinding white light came down, blinded me, and a V.O.I.C.E. told me exactly what to do...like happened with Paul....then YEAH, God would be TALKING to me.
If that happens, I'll DAMN sure believe he's real.
The same things you call "God speaking", someone else calls "the collective consciousness speaking", or "Allah speaking", or the Mormon God speaking, or...I could go on for hours....
If he really S.P.O.K.E. to us, you wouldn't be mixing up who is speaking.
If I call my friend on the phone, my friend doesn't have to wonder, "Is that REALLY Wilhelm speaking to me, or just my imagination, or possibly a faulty interpretation of reality..."

:whatever:
Come on. :o
Stop hiding from the fact that God does not show himself or speak to us audibly, Christians, it's embarrassing.

That is a huge exaggeration of the truth. Given the fact that the average life expectancy of a human being is around 75 years or so, we have the majority of all that time to make the choice for Christ. If we refuse, then we've earned the fate we rightfully deserve. God doesn't send people to hell; we send ourselves by the life we have lived.
No one asked to be BORN with a fallen human nature. Our crime is BEING BORN, thanks to the actions of TWO people from thousands of years ago.
No sane, just person would hold BILLIONS responsible for the mistakes of TWO people from thousands of years ago. But that's EXACTLY what "God" does.
And How the Hell does 75 years of "crime" warrant E.T.E.R.N.A.L. punishment?!
Do you know what ETERNITY means?
NEVER. ENDING.
Madness. :o


That situation is entirely different. One, you're being sarcastic in trying to discredit God, which is impossible. Two, the husband in that scenario had the intention of barbarism from the very beginning; God doesn't.
Nope. You may not have the mental capacity to understand it, or may be blinded by your misguided loyalty to this fictional deity, but it's a perfect analogy for what I'm trying to say.
It's a case where a powerful authority figure is making an unfair rule, and affixing a wildly, insanely excessive punishment for lack of obedience, threatening extreme pain, and then putting all of the responsibility, should that wildly excessive punishment for disobediance to the insane rule be "warranted" ON the victim.

"I don't WANT to hurt you, but I have to hurt you if you don't _________.
SO, if I end up hurting you, it was YOUR fault, 'cause you could've just ____________ to avoid it."

The point is, HE made up the insane rule and insane punishmnet, HE is responsible for framing the whole situation in this way since he's the Creator of the Universe.
Like, if he didn't want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good And Evil, why the FREAK did he plop it down right there before them and then leave them alone with it, without even telling them the full consequences if they ate from it?
That's cruel and extremely bad parenting by "the Father". :o

It will happen, and so you're still left with the obvious choice: trust God over yourself, or don't. It's up to you.
That's like asking me to trust that Superman will rescue me.
How can I trust in someone who doesn't exist?! :huh:
 
Sure, rich people have got it pretty easy, yeah... but maybe God gives them cancer or something... or right before they die, they feel really lonely and sad about their lives of reckless sexual indulgence and selfishness! So sad that it's a worse feeling than any physical suffering you could imagine. And stuff is SO amazing in Heaven, the people that suffered more on Earth aren't bitter at the people who got it so easy. They just forgive and forget, because it's so great there. Who could stay mad about something like that? And God loves gays, definitely... that's why he gave them the biggest test of all - AIDS!

I will only say this once. ANY god who GIVES people cancer and AIDS on purpose for ANY reason is a god that I will NEVER acknowledge, and would GLADLY go to hell rather than worship.
 
I am staying out of this thread now...feel like I am at chruch :o

I leave by saying Athiests have a right to believe in no god, and all Christians do by trying to "save" us is anger us. If you see us "hell bound", then let us be. If we were meant to be in "heaven", we would get their on our own.

No one can get to heaven on their own... at some point we have all sinned... That's why Jesus had to give up his life for our souls. If we deny Christ we also refuse the gift he gave us, eternal life.

Everyone has a right to believe what they want, but it is the responsibility of Christians to make sure that everyone is aware that there is a choice to be made.
 
I will only say this once. ANY god who GIVES people cancer and AIDS on purpose for ANY reason is a god that I will NEVER acknowledge, and would GLADLY go to hell rather than worship.
That's because God does not do these things and anyone says so is an idiot, or badly misinformed. *sigh*
 
There's nothin' quite like a religion war on the most unlikely of boards.
 
No one can get to heaven on their own... at some point we have all sinned... That's why Jesus had to give up his life for our souls. If we deny Christ we also refuse the gift he gave us, eternal life.

Everyone has a right to believe what they want, but it is the responsibility of Christians to make sure that everyone is aware that there is a choice to be made.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Make your choice, and let your chosen speakers (the church folk and parents) do the spreading of the religion. You see me on the street, I will ignore you. Plain and simple. It is not your duty to do anything. Isn't that what churches were made for?
 
Like, if he didn't want Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good And Evil, why the FREAK did he plop it down right there before them and then leave them alone with it, without even telling them the full consequences if they ate from it?
That's cruel and extremely bad parenting by "the Father". :o

I think you'd enjoy my rewritten account of Genesis that I did for a class last year, Wilhelm. It addressed issues like the above. :woot:
 
I will only say this once. ANY god who GIVES people cancer and AIDS on purpose for ANY reason is a god that I will NEVER acknowledge, and would GLADLY go to hell rather than worship.

God doesn't give people AIDS - people give people AIDS. However, God does allow for disease, hunger, need, want. If He didn't this would be Heaven, we have to die before we can get to Heaven. All the horrible things we have to deal with here are part of the test of our spirit and faith. Adam and Eve caused mankind to be cast out of Heaven, Jesus gave us the way back in... but the journey between is long and hard. Yes there are things that are not fair, right or just - however, God tried giving mankind the easy way out and we refused it, now we have to show Him we can learn and change.
 

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