Inhumans ABC's The Inhumans - General Discussion (news, updates, speculation...) - Part 1

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Freaking love the Inhumans and really hate to see the way that the show is turning out to be a potential failure.

It is crazy that a show like Krypton can have such an impressive trailer effects/cinematography/production value-wise knowing that it can't possibly have the budget Inhumans had to shoot their pilot. Especially give the extra IMAX boost.
 
Lets just say Agents of Shield and Agent Carter will not have seen second seasons if they were airing on CBS and NBC.

AOS absolutely would have gotten a 2nd season on any network. The ratings had softened from the pilot, but they stabilized at the end and the show reached a creative peak that was only topped in season 4. You had the Hydra reveal, Ward's heel turn, Bill Paxton chewing up scenery, and SLJ, Colbie Smulders and Maximiliano Hernandez making appearances that played off of their roles in CA:TWS.

AOS (for the most part) hasn't lived up to that initial year promise, especially in regard to continuity with the big screen MCU. But there's no comparison between it and the poorly conceived Inhumans.
 
Yeah Loeb and Buck should take some of the heat,but Perlmutter is the main culprit. He wanted his pet project, xmen replacements to be an overnight sensation. The Marvel brand is very strong, but it can't always perform miracles. Feige knows whats up.

I wish there would be a break in the status quo and Marvel TV would be reorganized under Marvel Studios. Everyone should report to Feige and I wouldn't mind if Loeb stayed on, he has done an admirable job but needs some guidance and resources from the studio. Hopefully, even if this is overall not good, the bones of it are solid enough that a rework can be done for season 2.
 
Is anyone else watching Game of Thrones and wishing that Inhumans was on HBO?

The last episode of GoT was better than most films I've seen in the cinema this year.
 
The first several episodes of AoS were pretty mediocre. It really wasn't until Ward became a bad guy that the show got interesting.

My overall point is that if the first episodes of Inhumans are bad, they at least have a chance to correct it. I'm willing to give the show a chance, even if it's worse than many are saying it is. However, I can't argue that what we've seen so far is less than impressive.
 
Why? I heard Defenders is getting a lot of positive buzz.

We're not talking about the Defenders; we're talking about someone who gave Buck this and Iron Fist knowing full well he's not well regarded due to his questionable creative choices with other shows (i.e. Dexter). When it comes to please old man Perlmutter, one should've hired someone who's more qualified and willing to go beyond in bringing the Royals to life.
 
We're not talking about the Defenders; we're talking about someone who gave Buck this and Iron Fist knowing full well he's not well regarded due to his questionable creative choices with other shows (i.e. Dexter). When it comes to please old man Perlmutter, one should've hired someone who's more qualified and willing to go beyond in bringing the Royals to life.

We're talking about firing Jeph Loeb, it seems. One would think the guy who hired the show runners for Defenders isn't the same person as the one who hired Scott Buck based on comments here.
 
If you want to discredit Loeb's work because of Inhumans and Iron Fist, I understand. However, then you can't deny him or discredit the things that got done over the years with the likes of Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, plus the Runaways that's also in production. People have been wanting to see something done with Runaways for a long time. Plus overseeing the new X-Men shows co-produced with Fox.

I'm just saying, his ratio of success surpasses that of failures with Marvel TV.
 
The first several episodes of AoS were pretty mediocre. It really wasn't until Ward became a bad guy that the show got interesting.

My overall point is that if the first episodes of Inhumans are bad, they at least have a chance to correct it. I'm willing to give the show a chance, even if it's worse than many are saying it is. However, I can't argue that what we've seen so far is less than impressive.

Was about to post something similar and then saw this. This is where I am right now as well.
 
Freaking love the Inhumans and really hate to see the way that the show is turning out to be a potential failure.

It is crazy that a show like Krypton can have such an impressive trailer effects/cinematography/production value-wise knowing that it can't possibly have the budget Inhumans had to shoot their pilot. Especially give the extra IMAX boost.

Krypton does look surprisingly good. The production design and effects were impressive for a Syfy network show.
 
It's not just Buck that should get the blame, its the big bosses at Marvel TV who let him touch this in the first place. The thing is Marvel TV is all over the place. The animated shows look poor. The live action shows... They Look less exciting compare to the MCU movies and not just because of the budget but also the content. How many episodes/seasons of Aos did become watchable? Agent Carter had a major sophomore slump. I always find the Netflix shows as cheap looking web shows and they ate quite dragging most of the time. God knows what's in store for Cloak/Dagger, Runaways and New Warriors. They don't look like/sound like must see TV.

I feel like they are churning more and more shows while the Marvel iron is hot and there's money to be made which are smart business wise. But the quality is quite lacking.

Cloak and Dagger don't interest me at all. I would watch Runaways but I lack Hulu. New Warriors actually interests me but it lacks characters like Sihouette, Darkhawk and Nova for the first season.
 
AOS definitely struggled ratings-wise in live airings, but it excelled in L+7 and outperformed prior ABC shows in the Tuesday at 10pm slot. It wouldn't have been brought back for the 5th season otherwise.

I don't see many similarities between the two programs. AOS, a spy show focusing on B and C level Marvel characters with "TV level" abilities was a good match for network TV. But as we've seen, Lockjaw (dog looks ok, teleportation effect looks terrible), Medusa, Black Bolt, Crystal and Attilan simply don't work on the small screen.

Oh, I agree. My point is the same as yours: Agents of SHIELD isn't really relevant to Inhumans. Inhumans could get just as good of ratings as AoS season 4, and it'll get cancelled in a heart beat, because it doesn't have the advantages AoS had.

That said. . . hmm. My own suspicion is that, you *could* get the Inhumans to work for an eight episode miniseries, at least to an okay level. However, you need a couple of things. One is an actual prestige TV budget, without wasting tons of it on IMAX. The other is a showrunner whose actually good at his/her job, and knows how to artistically work around the limits of budget and SFX. Sadly, they wasted a ton of their budget on IMAX, and Scott Buck seems utterly unable to avoid showing off all the things his production *can't* do well.

If I were in charge of it ( and actually had the necessary skills of a showrunner *cough* )? I'd take the "Space Game of Thrones" elevator pitch and lean into it. Focus on drama and character above all else. Fight scenes and displays of power are limited and saved up, to be used for best dramatic effect rather than constantly. Since your building sets for Attilan, set almost all of it *in* Attilan, thus getting the most bang for your set buck, and avoiding the expense of on-site filming.

I'd probably have the plot be "Kree ambassadors show up, seeking to reestablish ties with their 'lost colony'", with the series following the intrigues as the Kree try to regain control over the inhumans. The broad form would be Kree Ambassadors vs Royal Family vs Genetic Council. The Kree, natch, want to destabilize Attilan, so they can take or control what they want. The Royal Family are varyingly idealist and reformer, who want to maintain their power while also keeping Attilan free of the Kree. The Genetic Council are basically the "old guard", traditional center of power and culture that is stodgy and harsh, especially as Black Bolt's monarchy has weakened them a lot. Under them all are the Alpha Primitives or equivalent, basically the commoners that everyone is ( awkwardly or not ) standing above.

In the end, the Royal Family wins through. The ambassadors efforts to turn the city against the throne are foiled, traitors amongst the Genetic Council are killed, and Black Bolt spends a big chunk of the show's SFX budget yelling at a small fleet of Kree ships after spending seven episodes as an implied threat. Of course, it comes at a cost: the Royal Family has to put down an uprising amongst the Alpha Primitives that they are otherwise trying to assist; monarchical power is reinforced at the expense of civil society; and the Royals are forced to accept some of the advice and assistance by Maximus, ever a font of brilliant but ruthless counsel. . .
 
I was cautiously optimistic this one would reach a base level of competency when it was first announced given the short season, the IMAX money and the fact that it was Ike Perlmutter's baby. But then we got the Buck announcement, the awful wigs, low budget costuming and uninspired sets. Inhumans is looking like it will be more FFINO than FFINO.

Right now I am hoping for a quick TV death and at least some of these characters get a second change on the big screen - I'm hoping for Crystal and Lockjaw - within the next few years.
 
Is anyone else watching Game of Thrones and wishing that Inhumans was on HBO?

The last episode of GoT was better than most films I've seen in the cinema this year.

Definitely. I’ve been thinking for years how much a service like HBO could benefit a show like Inhumans, if it were ever to be made into a show. A TV network like ABC just isn’t the right fit, which is evident after watching either of the trailers. Inhumans is bigger, more epic-scale than that, whereas AOS on ABC has done well because it is pretty grounded and centralized. Game of Thrones, especially the most recent episodes, give a strong basis for a concept like Inhumans to exist from: a perfect balance of politics, family drama, war, and fantasy.

I’m not totally fluent on how the budgeting works with HBO/GOT compared to network TV, but all the FX on GOT look better to me than a lot of blockbuster films. And as you’ve said, The quality of that last episode was probably better than anything we’ve seen this year. Inhumans deserves that type of writing/acting quality as well.
CGI budget would go towards makeup/FX for the citizens and set design of Attilan, showcasing powers (Black Bolt, Medusa), Lockjaw, etc.

With all the platforms Marvel is now embarking on through Netflix, Freeform, Hulu, its too bad HBO wasn’t on their immediate list, especially as they could easily ride with the success of GOT.
 
With all the platforms Marvel is now embarking on through Netflix, Freeform, Hulu, its too bad HBO wasn’t on their immediate list, especially as they could easily ride with the success of GOT.
HBO is Time Warner.
 
Anyone know if this will be on itunes like AoS where the new episodes come up the day after it premieres? I don't have cable but I'd like to be able to watch it.
 
Anyone know if this will be on itunes like AoS where the new episodes come up the day after it premieres? I don't have cable but I'd like to be able to watch it.

No idea, but I watch Once Upon a Time on Yahoo View (which is like a free-with-commercials spinoff of Hulu) about a week after it airs. Inhumans would probably be on that.
 
Well it's going to air on ABC, so why wouldn't they have the episodes up on iTunes later.
 
If you want to discredit Loeb's work because of Inhumans and Iron Fist, I understand. However, then you can't deny him or discredit the things that got done over the years with the likes of Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, plus the Runaways that's also in production. People have been wanting to see something done with Runaways for a long time. Plus overseeing the new X-Men shows co-produced with Fox.

I'm just saying, his ratio of success surpasses that of failures with Marvel TV.

That's a very fair point. I think Loeb is just making the best of a bad situation.

I think we are forgetting Ike's role in this whole situation. He's seemed to rush Inhumans out as some kind of dick measuring contest with Feige.

Poor Loeb is just the public face and fall guy of the whole tv division.
 
Yeah, I don't blame Loeb either. He's not a great artist, but he's almost certainly not the guy who said "yes" to Inhumans. He's just following Ike's orders.
 
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