Abuse of Power Thread (Cops, Governments, Etc.) - Part 1

[Docker2.0]

Everyone dies but not everyone truly lives.

When drinking alcohol, you have no idea how deep that is.

 

[Hotwire]

Basically the cop pulled her over for no reason then got pissed she wouldn't put out her cig and get out of the car and when he was trying to force her out she resisted and was charged with kicking the officer. The officer has already been put on desk duty and his dept has come out and said he violated her rights

He pulled her over for failure to signal a lane change, which in Texas, you can actually be arrested for. That said, I've watched the video and while he REALLY overreacted, she was giving him an attitude for most of the stop. The cigarette seemed to be the trigger that set the whole thing off. He was more in the wrong but, she could have also handled it better up to that point. Once he ordered her out of the car, it went real bad.

 

[Hotwire]

Everyone dies but not everyone truly lives.

Okay William Wallace.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

He pulled her over for failure to signal a lane change, which in Texas, you can actually be arrested for. That said, I've watched the video and while he REALLY overreacted, she was giving him an attitude for most of the stop. The cigarette seemed to be the trigger that set the whole thing off. He was more in the wrong but, she could have also handled it better up to that point. Once he ordered her out of the car, it went real bad.

His department has already come out to say he had no valid reason for pulling her over and he had no reason to arrest her

 

[warhorse78]

That pic is messed up in so many ways.




And DJ Kidd......your admission to coke use so casually is kind of disturbing. I'm hoping you mean cherry coke and not those white girls.

I thought the secret word was white wedding?

 

[Docker2.0]

He pulled her over for failure to signal a lane change, which in Texas, you can actually be arrested for. That said, I've watched the video and while he REALLY overreacted, she was giving him an attitude for most of the stop. The cigarette seemed to be the trigger that set the whole thing off. He was more in the wrong but, she could have also handled it better up to that point. Once he ordered her out of the car, it went real bad.

That's what I don't get. Some of these incidents with the cops could be settled really quick if people didn't come with the attitudes. I get it, you don't want to get pulled over, no one does but it's like people want trouble. Not saying that is the case here but it seems to be happening a lot.

I thought the secret word was white wedding?

I thought addicts used that term.

 

[RockSP]

Cops shouldn't be able to get away with beating people up and/or murdering people because they have an "attitude".

 

[Docker2.0]

Cops shouldn't be able to get away with beating people up and/or murdering people because they have an "attitude".

Nobody said that. What I'm saying is why make matters worse? Whenever I get pulled over by the cops, no matter how pissed I am, I remain cordial and just hope to get it over asap. Me snapping at them every second is not going to make the situation any better. I was raised better than that.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nobody said that. What I'm saying is why make matters worse? Whenever I get pulled over by the cops, no matter how pissed I am, I remain cordial and just hope to get it over asap. Me snapping at them every second is not going to make the situation any better. I was raised better than that.

Yes you were raised to obey the police even when they violate your rights.

Which is good for survival but doesn't have the integrity of what Sandra Bland did.

Sandra knew her rights and asserted them.

Police shouldn't be allowed to harrass and detain people for no good reason.

 

[Lencho01]

The Transcript Of Sandra Bland's Arrest Is As Revealing As The Video

 

[Docker2.0]

Yes you were raised to obey the police even when they violate your rights.

Which is good for survival but doesn't have the integrity of what Sandra Bland did.

Sandra knew her rights and asserted them.

Police shouldn't be allowed to harrass and detain people for no good reason.

Nope, was raised to be respectful of people. Some of you guys are making this to be way more complicated than it really is. In my dealings with the police(and I have had a lot)I've learned that if you are just compliant and not snapping after every question asked, then most of the time you will be ok. Is it right? No but it's life. There are bad cops out there and yes I have ran into them as well and there is no excuse for brutality at all but if something can be avoided why not go all out to do so?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

He pulled her over for failure to signal a lane change, which in Texas, you can actually be arrested for. That said, I've watched the video and while he REALLY overreacted, she was giving him an attitude for most of the stop. The cigarette seemed to be the trigger that set the whole thing off. He was more in the wrong but, she could have also handled it better up to that point. Once he ordered her out of the car, it went real bad.

But he spotted her for whatever reason, turned around then tailgated her so she quickly moved out the way.

When she moved out of the way she may not have signaled and he used that as an excuse to pull her over and harrass her over virtually nothing.

Why did he pursue her to begin with?

Why did he tailgate her when she was doing nothing wrong?

She had a right to be upset and assert her rights so why did she end up in a jail cell?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nope, was raised to be respectful of people. Some of you guys are making this to be way more complicated than it really is. In my dealings with the police(and I have had a lot)I've learned that if you are just compliant and not snapping after every question asked, then most of the time you will be ok. Is it right? No but it's life. There are bad cops out there and yes I have ran into them as well and there is no excuse for brutality at all but if something can be avoided why not go all out to do so?

Is there no difference between being argumentative with a cop following proper procedure and asserting your rights with a cop abusing their power and authority?

If everyone knew their rights and made sure their rights were protected police wouldn't casually violate people's rights every day.

We need more Sandra Blands and fewer authorities like the arresting officer.

 

[warhorse78]

I thought addicts used that term.

I don't know either way. Never been a drug user. But, someone once told me that Billy Idol's song White Wedding had something to do with cocain. Don't know how true that is.

 

[warhorse78]

Yes you were raised to obey the police even when they violate your rights.

Which is good for survival but doesn't have the integrity of what Sandra Bland did.

Sandra knew her rights and asserted them.

Police shouldn't be allowed to harrass and detain people for no good reason.

I'm not sure what I would do in her situation. It's not just cops I don't trust, it's people in general, so I too would be hesitant of getting out of my car. I would be doubly paranoid because it was a male cop. Most instances where I live, if it's more than a simple traffic stop (like speeding or other moving violation) if the male cop has to have the female suspect out of the vehicle, she is in her right to request a female deputy to be present. I've also been advised, if I suspect that I am going to be dealing with questions that take me out of my car or property, I should call my insurance agent or lawyer asap. In this day and age, one can never tell what someone might be up to. The cop could have been an imposter for all I know. But either way, I do believe Ms Bland got a bad deal in the end. To me, this is like a smaller version of Ruby Ridge all over again, and that in itself gives me reason to not trust anyone in power.

 

[The Guard]

Sandra Bland could have asserted her rights without cursing and calling him a "*****" and being so belligerent.

The cigarette thing...that seems like a pretty simple request. The officer is well within his right to ask a person who is disobeying a direct order from a police officer to step out of the vehicle.

If she has an issue with this, she has the right to request a female cop or other police on the scene before she does so. She didn't, she chose to jaw at him.

You start to get belligerent with a cop or resist arrest, that's a huge red flag, and cops go on high alert. The type of people who do this are the type of people who are A, often criminals, B, hiding something, or C, the type of people who might shoot a cop.

But per the situation, he did exactly what cops are trained to do. Remove her from the vehicle and control the situation. She did not comply, so he used physical force to subdue her. Also something that I'm fairly certain he is legally allowed to do.

This is what police are taught to do when situations escalate. Control them. Could he have handled it better? Surely. Is he in the "wrong"? Not in terms of police procedure. Note that he almost immediately called for backup as well when she refused to get out of the car.

There's a bunch of stuff going around the internet that what he did was illegal because he didn't "request" she exit the vehicle. An order is very much a request.

Cursing out police and generally creating a scene over what was essentially a minor traffic matter is beyond stupid. And if she did, in fact, change lanes without signaling, then she broke the law, didn't she? The transcript very much reads like her baiting him. It reads like he requests several times for her to desist whatever she's doing, and allow him to physically subdue her. And than he takes her down, and with the help of the female backup, subdues her.

Could he have handled things better? Probably. But so could she have.

People are acting like he beat up on her because she had an attitude. It seems like that is not the case.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sandra Bland could have asserted her rights without cursing and calling him a "*****" and being so belligerent.

The cigarette thing...that seems like a pretty simple request. The officer is well within his right to ask a person who is disobeying a direct order from a police officer to step out of the vehicle.

If she has an issue with this, she has the right to request a female cop or other police on the scene before she does so. She didn't, she chose to jaw at him.

You start to get belligerent with a cop or resist arrest, that's a huge red flag, and cops go on high alert. The type of people who do this are the type of people who are A, often criminals, B, hiding something, or C, the type of people who might shoot a cop.

But per the situation, he did exactly what cops are trained to do. Remove her from the vehicle and control the situation. She did not comply, so he used physical force to subdue her. Also something that I'm fairly certain he is legally allowed to do.

This is what police are taught to do when situations escalate. Control them. Could he have handled it better? Surely. Is he in the "wrong"? Not in terms of police procedure. Note that he almost immediately called for backup as well when she refused to get out of the car.

There's a bunch of stuff going around the internet that what he did was illegal because he didn't "request" she exit the vehicle. An order is very much a request.

Cursing out police and generally creating a scene over what was essentially a minor traffic matter is beyond stupid. And if she did, in fact, change lanes without signaling, then she broke the law, didn't she? The transcript very much reads like her baiting him. It reads like he requests several times for her to desist whatever she's doing, and allow him to physically subdue her. And than he takes her down, and with the help of the female backup, subdues her.

Could he have handled things better? Probably. But so could she have.

People are acting like he beat up on her because she had an attitude. It seems like that is not the case.

Oh please.

This whole high alert thing is bull.

Cops don't like their authority challenged. If you do question them or don't submit to their every whim they want to punish you for it.

It happens all the time. A person simply ask too many questions or asserts their rights and the cop looks for a reason to arrest them and throw them in a jail cell.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Anyone hiding something illegal is most likely to very compliant and friendly with the police. Think about it.

People who feel they're being harassed unjustly are likely to have an attitude.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also Bland doesn't refuse to leave her vehicle.

She gets out and is handcuffed for no reason.

The cop walks her out of the dash cam shot as she continues to ask why she's being arrested.

Then there is a struggle heard but not seen.

Seems like this cop was up to no good. Bland was right to question her arrest.

Refusing to put out a cigarette in timely fashion is not an arrestable offense.

Then walking her out of dashcam view before something physical transpires just looks even more sketchy.

 

[RockSP]

Nobody said that. What I'm saying is why make matters worse? Whenever I get pulled over by the cops, no matter how pissed I am, I remain cordial and just hope to get it over asap. Me snapping at them every second is not going to make the situation any better. I was raised better than that.

Cool. Hopefully you realize that being "cordial" is no guarantee that a power tripping cop won't @#$% with you anyway.

 

[Docker2.0]

Some of you guys really have issues. I have stated I have ran into bad cops and it could have gone badly but I remained cordial and professional and it ended well. Even though I get pulled over quite possibly once a year, I haven't gotten a ticket in years because I have kept it professional. One time I was caught speeding, doing 85 in a 55 MPH zone and just got a warning. I look at some of these people who died and though I don't think anyone deserved it, some of it could have been avoided. Mike Brown, Sandra Bland, Gray.............these people were not angels. Again, I'm not saying they should have died but they did not help their cause at all.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Some of you guys really have issues. I have stated I have ran into bad cops and it could have gone badly but I remained cordial and professional and it ended well. Even though I get pulled over quite possibly once a year, I haven't gotten a ticket in years because I have kept it professional. One time I was caught speeding, doing 85 in a 55 MPH zone and just got a warning. I look at some of these people who died and though I don't think anyone deserved it, some of it could have been avoided. Mike Brown, Sandra Bland, Gray.............these people were not angels. Again, I'm not saying they should have died but they did not help their cause at all.

You just put Sandra Bland in the same category with Mike Brown.

and you say we have issues?

Mike Brown probably deserved to die since he physically attacked a cop.

Sandra Bland didn't even deserve to be arrested. She had an attitude because she was pulled over for simply moving out of a cops way without signaling. So she refused to put out a cigarette. So what??? You're going to give a tax payer an arrest record because they didn't like being pulled over and was slow to put out a cigarette???

The cop didn't like her attitude and wanted to punish her somehow. He used his authority to throw her in jail when she didn't commit a crime. Why are people still blaming her??? He shouldn't have even have pulled her over let alone arrested her!

You accept that there are bad cops but you don't accept that some people will show displeasure when unjustly harrassed by the police.

Maybe you're the one with "issues".

 

[Docker2.0]

Ok............

 

[warhorse78]

Anyone hiding something illegal is most likely to very compliant and friendly with the police. Think about it.

People who feel they're being harassed unjustly are likely to have an attitude.

This is very true. Just research Jeffery Dahmer and his little run in with the cops. Even invited them to his place, (too bad they didn't go into his bedroom where they would have seen human body parts in jars)

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And how do you look at what happened to Freddie Gray and conclude he's somehow responsible for his severed spine and inevitable death?

Cops are allowed to murder anyone who doesn't have a spotless record???

Yeah, okay buddy. If we have issues for being critical of police abuse what do you call your condition?