Days of Future Past Actors from original trilogy on First Class sequel with Days of Future Past - Part 1

[spideyboy_1111]

As an addendum to what I said above, you can also do exactly what the DoFP comics themselves did and reveal that, despite the actions of the two X-Men teams, the dystopian future still exists, leaving open the possibility of revisiting it at some point. This leaves the existing continuity of the franchise intact while also leaving the door open for a possible return to telling stories about the characters and cast from the OXT in the future and allowing the FC prequel series to continue as well.

Except for the fact that idea also ignores singers comment about "fixing things". That suggests they may use time travel to rewrite some wrongs

 

[SpideyVille]

Except for the fact that idea also ignores singers comment about "fixing things". That suggests they may use time travel to rewrite some wrongs

Isn't that the reason why Time Travel is ever used in films or tv shows. Heck, that's how Superman ended.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Isn't that the reason why Time Travel is ever used in films or tv shows. Heck, that's how Superman ended.

Usually. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the errors if the franchise are rewritten.... Like even cyclops's death

 

[SpideyVille]

Usually. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the errors if the franchise are rewritten.... Like even cyclops's death

Yeah, depending on where/when the movie ends, I think this is a perfect opportunity to "fix" this franchise. Its perfect because all of the pieces seem to fit so that it doesn't come off as a retcon.

The fact that you had this trilogy with a set cast of characters, followed up by a prequel that was fairly well-received, and then a story based on the comics that can bring these worlds together in a way that makes everything else make sense, it's just works perfectly in favor of Marvel. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another sequel after this that jumps off of the "new future" that is created at the end.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Here Is the thing If they were going to use time travel to erase Origins,the trilogy and
The wolverine then they Is no reason to fix anything.Those events would be erased from
cannon.

 

[SpideyVille]

Wouldn't erasing those events count as them fixing the canon?

 

[marvelrobbins]

No.

 

[DigificWriter]

Except for the fact that idea also ignores singers comment about "fixing things". That suggests they may use time travel to rewrite some wrongs

Singer never said he was using time travel to do 'clean up'. I read the quote, and all he says is that he is not ignoring any of the existing films and has devised a way to make them all make sense and 'clean up' inconsistencies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think It doesn't make any sense to try to clean up some things If they were planning on wiping out most of films In franchise.

Singer mentioned terminator and Back to future.Terminator has time travel acyully help cause future.John connor was conceived because of Kyle reese coming back In time and Skynet comes Into being because of finding the remains of terminator.Destroying the alternate timeline of Back to the future 2 restores the altered 1985 caused by event of first Back to future.It doesn't erase events of first back to future.

 

[SpideyVille]

Singer never said he was using time travel to do 'clean up'. I read the quote, and all he says is that he is not ignoring any of the existing films and has devised a way to make them all make sense and 'clean up' inconsistencies.

This is what I meant. Time Travel is always tricking and it depends just how far back or forward they go, one thing is for certain, which is that there will be a new timeline. The current timeline kinda works, but there are still blurry spots that don't really make much sense, like with Beast for example. But this is a good opportunity to fix it within the story, as opposed to just ret-conning what already happened by saying it never did.

 

[DigificWriter]

That's exactly the kind of scenario I'm talking about, marvelrobbins. Whatever happens in the past only has an effect on the future in that the dystopian future from which the future character(s) came is prevented from happening.

Spideyville, stop trying to pass off what you think should happen as fact. Nowhere has it been said or even intimated that they are creating an alternate timeline with DoFP, and, given Singer's statement and the producers' conscious effort to thus far maintain a singular continuity for the franchise, I expect that you and everyone else who believes otherwise is going to be very disappointed.

 

[SpideyVille]

Spideyville, stop trying to pass off what you think should happen as fact. Nowhere has it been said or even intimated that they are creating an alternate timeline with DoFP, and, given Singer's statement and the producers' conscious effort to thus far maintain a singular continuity for the franchise, I expect that you and everyone else who believes otherwise is going to be very disappointed.

I'm not saying what I think should happen at all.

What I'm saying is that anytime you deal with time travel, when you go to the past and change something, it affects the present that you once knew. Just like it was explained in Back to the Future, by changing something in the past, you create an alternate timeline that creates a different future, dependent on how great of a change was made.

And like I said in regards to DoFP, it all depends on where they go in the timeline. With Patrick Stewart coming back, you figure they'll revisit sometime before his death in X3. Now whether they change that event in order to keep him alive and available for a future sequel remains to be seen. But it's just an example of what happens when you mess with time travel. If Kitty and Rogue go back to after the events of First Class, that's going to change the future in some way because its going to have some kind of ripple.

 

[DigificWriter]

Nothing that happens in DoFP is going to affect the events of Origins: Wolverine, the OXT or The Wolverine, at least insofar as the time travel is concerned. People need to realize that.

As I've already noted, the best examples in terms of what I firmly believe we will get with DoFP - based on all currently available evidence and FOX's approach to the franchise thus far - are the Star Trek TNG episode Yesterday's Enterprise, Back to the Future Pt. 2, and Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I agree that it is unlikely he will use time travel to change things directly. That would be disrespectful and lazy.

 

[SpideyVille]

The timeline, at least concerning First Class and the Trilogy is flawed. Things don't match up perfectly like one would expect, and I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that this is an opportunity to smooth those rough edges a bit. Some of the stuff in First Class seemed to go against what was previously established in the other movies like X2 where Hank McCoy is seen as a normal human and then transforms later on.

Its little inconsistencies like this that are what can be fixed.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Many of the things that people see as inconsistencies are so minor as to be inconsequential. Regardless, though, you don't use time travel to fix inconsistencies, as it is impossible to do so and maintain the singular continuity of the franchise, which, as I've already noted several times, is what FOX has taken pains to do thus far and which they appear to be continuing to do.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

^ Many of the things that people see as inconsistencies are so minor as to be inconsequential.

Except for the ones that aren't.

 

[DigificWriter]

There is only one inconsistency that I would consider to be major: Xavier walking in 1979 and the mid-80s (when he and Erik visited the Grey home).

Even so, you don't use time travel to fix that type of issue, as I already noted.

 

[Majik1387]

So I been thinking, instead of Singer and co just fixing things in the movie, anyone think they may just go the Legend of route in terms of chronology? As in 3 separate timelines that are all true, just with different events that trigger their timeline?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ No.

 

[SpideyVille]

^ Many of the things that people see as inconsistencies are so minor as to be inconsequential. Regardless, though, you don't use time travel to fix inconsistencies, as it is impossible to do so and maintain the singular continuity of the franchise, which, as I've already noted several times, is what FOX has taken pains to do thus far and which they appear to be continuing to do.

If Fox has taken pains to maintain one continuity, why are there still inconsistencies? I mean I get that different people worked on different projects, but as the Overseer, Fox would have had to step in at some point and say "you can't do that because we already did this." I mean why even allow Beast to be in First Class if it messes with the continuity set in X2 and X3?

And like I said, Time Travel is the perfect cover up because it works within the boundaries of the story. The fact that there's a comic based on the same idea is what makes it allowable, and I'm not saying they have to, but the fact that so many people were outraged about how Jean, Cyclops and Xavier died in X3, you have to wonder if they would consider bringing them back somehow since those are the characters that can and should lead the franchise. X3 was pretty much a shot in the foot because they limited themselves on what they could do if they ever wanted a X-Men 4.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Singer might mean cleaning up the inconsistencies from First Class... Magneto might come and help Xavier build Cerebro in this... as it was a major point in X1-2

 

[Angamb]

Since Singer talked to Cameron about multiverses...

I think he and Kimberg are really bringing the concept to the franchise, so..... we should expect anything both on this sequel and for the future of the series.

 

[DigificWriter]

If Fox has taken pains to maintain one continuity, why are there still inconsistencies? I mean I get that different people worked on different projects, but as the Overseer, Fox would have had to step in at some point and say "you can't do that because we already did this." I mean why even allow Beast to be in First Class if it messes with the continuity set in X2 and X3?

And like I said, Time Travel is the perfect cover up because it works within the boundaries of the story. The fact that there's a comic based on the same idea is what makes it allowable, and I'm not saying they have to, but the fact that so many people were outraged about how Jean, Cyclops and Xavier died in X3, you have to wonder if they would consider bringing them back somehow since those are the characters that can and should lead the franchise. X3 was pretty much a shot in the foot because they limited themselves on what they could do if they ever wanted a X-Men 4.

Primarily because of two factors:
1) Multiple different people working on each of the different films
2) Making creative decisions based on what worked for the story being told at the time

However, just because there are inconsistencies doesn't mean that FOX doesn't want the films to be part of a singular continuity.

Everybody likes to focus on the decision to create an alternate continuity for Star Trek, but that was an artistic decision, not something that was done to 'fix' inconsistencies - of which there are many - in the 'prime' Star Trek continuity.

Said inconsistencies don't invalidate the fact that, that with the exception of Star Trek '09, every piece of canon in the Star Trek franchise is meant to take place in a singular continuity, so why would this be the case for X-Men?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Here Is the thing If they were going to use time travel to erase Origins,the trilogy and
The wolverine then they Is no reason to fix anything.Those events would be erased from
cannon.

no one said anything about erasing origins (it's actually quite the contrary from singer's posts. All are cannon. He said he has a chance (when referring to time travel/alt dimensions if he uses both) to fix the broken continuity and such. ORIGINS isn't a good movie, but it does fit within the XOT more so than FC does. There's really no continuity issues with it other than maybe Emma (who wasn't named "frost") and the obvious Weapon X facility that looked nothing like it did in X2...

continuity wise, Sabertooth is great and should be fixed, and Cyclops was the right age, and Xavier's walking matched up with X3