After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1

I never "missed" it when watching Nolans films because i always know what it is going into it. I love the realism of it and never wanted it to sway.

But i can dettach myself from nolans now that it's finished. At least on film it is. Now i want more fantasy for the reboot, hints of Burton and Nolan mixed together would be nice. I see Arkham City as the perfect blend of the two and that's what id like to see for the next few movies or more.

As for what happens after Nolans trilogy, in that continuity...what's going on with that John Blake comic that was supposed to happen?
 
Right now, I think we can only look at MOS and that world to see what WB might have in store for Batman. Because if MOS is part of the JL world, then I see it's look and rules being passed onto Batman, even WW.
 
Right now, I think we can only look at MOS and that world to see what WB might have in store for Batman. Because if MOS is part of the JL world, then I see it's look and rules being passed onto Batman, even WW.

I agree with this. I think MOS can be the bar in which the new Batman series is measured in terms of combining fantasy and realism.

I think if they don't use Cavill & MOS to lead into a JL movie then after 1 or 2 sequels they should redo Batman or just go ahead with a JL movie. Also, I think so that we can get a JL movie within at least 5-6 years they need to go the opposite of Marvel and instead of introducing individual character movies just do a full 2 or 3 part movie, LOTR style, and do individual films and/or tv shows based on that.

Either way right now I want to see either Karl Urban or they guy from Hell on Wheels as Batman and the kid being tossed around for Robin/Nightwing in the film.
 
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Urban as batman would be horrible. he'll probably try to pull his Dredd voice, which is basically a rip-off of Bales Batman. Im one of the guys who loves Bales growl, but ONLY for Nolans movies. I dont want to hear it again.
 
Wow never heard anyone say they 'liked' Bale's Bat voice. IMO it was so-so, but closer to bad. Sounded like he was trying to hard to be all dark and scratchy. Didn't mind that his Batman didn't do too much talking lol.

Karl Urban has a great deep voice, his dredd is good and he is such a good actor that I'm sure he could do a deep Batman voice without it sounding too much like Dredd or even forced. His voice is natually deep anyway so he could really just do it as himself maybe a tone lower or more serious.
 
I haven't watched the Movie yet, but just judging from the Trailers, Urban pulls off a deep and threatening voice a lot better than Bale did. Bale's honestly is just way too much ****ing growling. IMO bordering on the laughable.
 
I don't see why Urban would be limited to such. He's a versatile actor. Would you see Eomer as McCoy, for instance?
 
Wow never heard anyone say they 'liked' Bale's Bat voice. IMO it was so-so, but closer to bad.
I absolutely LOVE Bales growl. I know it's quite a popular thing to hate on his voice, almost to the point where it's a bit lazy coming from certain people. But i understand if somebody genuinely doesnt like it, i have just always enjoyed it. But i dont want it to be repeated.

I haven't watched the Movie yet, but just judging from the Trailers, Urban pulls off a deep and threatening voice a lot better than Bale did. Bale's honestly is just way too much ****ing growling. IMO bordering on the laughable.
I think it's the complete opposite. Im not a fan of what i see in the trailers, those kind of movies arent my cup of tea but i find Urbans growl to be hilarious. Every time in the Dredd trailer when he speaks i started laughing because it sounds so forced and like he's trying to be Bale. It's probably on purpose. I mean is it an action-comedy? I hope so, or are they trying to be serious?

Anyways sometimes i can see where the laughs come from with Bale, but in his most physical scenes he sounds intimidating as all hell with that voice.

THIS version of Batman is supposed to be a raging beast who's letting out all his anger AND it's a better way to disguise the voice. I know im in the minority with this, but i actually enjoy this approach more than the direct Conroy approach. But if it happens again it'll sound like they're trying to be Bale.
 
I love Bale's voice aswell you would never ever think that was Bruce Wayne. Kilmer didn't really change his voice and we all know Clooney was just Clooney in a rubber batsuit. I love Keaton as Batman but he just made it a little raspier not different enough in my opinion. Conroy's Bats is different in the early seasons of Batman TAS but from the 4th season onward he didn't seem to try and differentiate it so I think Bale's done the best job of differentiaiting the two voices.
 
For sure. And this is why a minimal but eerie whisper-like approach would be perfect for the reboot. Nobody would think they're ripping off Bale, the growl haters would be at ease & it would be different than anything that's happened before with Batmans voice.
 
Didn't Keaton do an eerie, whisper-like approach?

Not that it's a bad idea or anything.
 
Urban as batman would be horrible. he'll probably try to pull his Dredd voice, which is basically a rip-off of Bales Batman. Im one of the guys who loves Bales growl, but ONLY for Nolans movies. I dont want to hear it again.

Watch the movie, it's definitely not a rip off. Karl perfected the voice. When he had to speak loudly, the voice got deep and masculine (Conroy), but when he was being quiet, it was menacing and gravely (Keaton/Greenwood). It never sounded like Bale's over the top growl.

Honestly, based off Urban as Dredd alone, I'd say he'd make a much better Batman than Bale did, and seeing as Dredd isn't making too much money at the BO (unfortunately), having him play another comic book character doesn't seem like a problem.
 
I wouldn't mind Urban as Batman, since it's unlikely Dredd will get a sequel :(

But I'm banking on WB going for somebody younger and less thought of by fans.
 
Didn't Keaton do an eerie, whisper-like approach?

Not that it's a bad idea or anything.
Ya i thought so. Keatons approach would be nice for the next round of movies, but they can go even more whispery with it i think. Just something subtle but enough so you dont recognize who he is right off the bat.

Watch the movie, it's definitely not a rip off. Karl perfected the voice. When he had to speak loudly, the voice got deep and masculine (Conroy), but when he was being quiet, it was menacing and gravely (Keaton/Greenwood). It never sounded like Bale's over the top growl.

Honestly, based off Urban as Dredd alone, I'd say he'd make a much better Batman than Bale did, and seeing as Dredd isn't making too much money at the BO (unfortunately), having him play another comic book character doesn't seem like a problem.
That's good to know. Maybe ill go see it, it depends though. But i dont want him to sound clear and Conroy-ish when he speaks loudly. I dont even want Batman to speak loudly, i dont think it's necessary.

Im biased so i cant say he'll be better than Bale, cuz i love his Batman more than anyone so far, and it's a very different version. But it's good to hear that he sounds more like Keaton than Bale...but i find that a little odd considering all i could think of in the trailers was Christian Bale.
 
That's good to know. Maybe ill go see it, it depends though. But i dont want him to sound clear and Conroy-ish when he speaks loudly. I dont even want Batman to speak loudly, i dont think it's necessary.

Depending on the movie, he might have to speak loudly. If it's Justice League, he needs to bark commands in a deep and commanding voice, but if it's just a reboot, he can stick with the quiet whisper.

Im biased so i cant say he'll be better than Bale, cuz i love his Batman more than anyone so far, and it's a very different version. But it's good to hear that he sounds more like Keaton than Bale...but i find that a little odd considering all i could think of in the trailers was Christian Bale.

It's definitely not as aggressive as Bale's Batvoice, it's much more subtle. I'd highly recommend seeing Dredd, it's well worth it.
 
The Dent Act IS what I'm talking about when I say the arguments to rationalize what Bruce did fall flat. If you analyze the Dent Act and the events in both movies, you can see why it just doesn't work and why it wouldn't keep Bruce away from being Batman. Here are my two cents on why Batman quitting because of the Dent Act doesn't work:
1) It's a complete "deus ex machina" act. There is no such thing as an act that can eliminate organized crime, let alone cut down crime rates to small criminal stuff the police can easily take care of. Even New York in the 70's, which was almost as bad as Gotham in terms of crime and corruption, still hasn't fully fixed itself to the point where you can have low crime rates the police can easily take care of. The act maybe would have been ok in a different movie but for Nolan's realistic setting, it doesn't work. It would be about as effective as a bill that illegalizes prostitution and the marijuana industry - meaning they're not too effective since people still have easy access to both those things without getting caught.
2) Even if it would work, the act doesn't put an end to all crime. It just puts an end to organized crime, which means there are still TONS of criminals out there to be caught. Unorganized crime can sometimes be even more chaotic than organized crime because there is no one to hold Gotham's criminals by a "leash" and tell them where and when to act. They would need Batman more than ever if organized crime falls.

I know this is a week old, but the only real reason the Dent Act works and reduces an already reduced organized crime (in TDK they're all afraid of the Batman, so they even hold meetings in the daytime) is because it's essentially indefinite detention without bail. So any criminal arrested once remains in jail. That's essentially what is said at the beginning of the movie.

My only real problem with TDKR is that it didn't go far enough. Seemed to approach bigger stakes, more grave situation, but stopped short. Bane for example. Dude was a terrorist, but he made a couple explosions and that's it. Threatened about blowing up a nuke. Nuke are overrated, and overused 90s story lines. Leveling the city would have been more devastating and much easier for Bane to pull off. There should have been an active resistance movement in Gotham. It should have been a warzone, quite literally. Letting criminals out of Blackgate was stupid too. He talked about liberating the people, but his audience was only the criminals in the prison. Then he gives them AKs and lets them loose. The people weren't the ones uprising like the French Revolution, which was supposedly the inspiration for TDKR.

If any one thing I like about Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy that I'd want any Batman reboot to emulate, it's the realistic look and feel of it. The Batman's choice of suit (military-esque armor plating) makes sense. Wearing a costume with no armor isn't smart. The suit, while maybe too busy, was practical. The voice, while disliked by most, made sense also. Why would Bruce talk in the same voice and give himself away? The awful voice helped to mask his true identity. It's the whole Superman issue. Realistically, glasses are a very poor disguise. Anyone should be able to tell that Superman is Clark Kent. With Batman, his voice would give that away if he didn't make it raspy. So I think that any new Batman should wear armor and mask his voice. The voice can be better done (maybe just deeper). The armor can be more streamlined, maybe flatter, closer fitting to the body, and less gaps between armor plates, but it still needs to be armor. They can't return to Schumaker... Can't go back to those Batman movies. Can't go back to Adam West... It's got to be a realistic looking and feeling Gotham and Batman. Even with superpowered villains, they can still be set in a world that looks realistic, a world that functions like a real world (a world that isn't used to or comfortable with superheros).
 
Deadshot as the main villain would just be plain boring imo.

Hugo Strange would be fine, depending on how he's written.

Riddler is probably the best choice for the next one. He would be a villain that would really make Batman go back to being the REAL detective from the comics, which is exactly fans want to see.
 
If Riddler was the main villain they would need to introduce some muscle for him to hire. Maybe Killer Croc?
 
Hugo strange would be awesome, but if would have to be done like a chess game he's playing with other villains as his pieces... Or something of the sort.
 
Croc could be used in one of his deathtraps perhaps? That's if he's the mindless psycho.

And I would love a pairing of Strange witrh Clayface. They both have problems with sense of identity, both trying to imitate Batman.
 
Deadshot as the main villain would just be plain boring imo.

Hugo Strange would be fine, depending on how he's written.

Riddler is probably the best choice for the next one. He would be a villain that would really make Batman go back to being the REAL detective from the comics, which is exactly fans want to see.

I agree. Deadshot would have to be used a sub-villain. Like Zsasz and Calendar Man.

Riddler does need a good adaptation. He deserves it.

I think some of the list is good, but mostly depends on how it's done. Hugo Strange could be a great main villain, though he would have to be used much better than in Arkham City.
 
Pretty lousy list,IMO.Riddler is a no-brainer.I could see Black Mask.If an unconventional choice is used,I'd be happy with Calender Man.

Otherwise,Mr Zsasz should be thankful he even got a cameo in BB,and Strange is sort of the same I feel about Brainiac.A popular choice to most,but I find the character fairly uninteresting.
 
Strange could be a supporting villain but i cant see him being very useful unless he's creating monsters or trying to reveal Batmans identity. He could be Bruces psychiatrist but the identity thing was sort of explored in Rises while the crazy doctor from Arkham was explored with Scarecrow. So i dont know. I can see him creating a Clayface or Man-Bat.

Ill bet everything on WB including Riddler in the next movie.

Deadshot would be boring on his own. It'll never happen in live-action. He'll be a small side character at best. These days WB probably looks at him as a DC villain generally. Somebody to throw into the "Arrow" tv series or a Suicide Squad movie. Rather than Batman.

Killer Croc is perfect as Black Masks muscle. Or Riddlers. Nothing like the Lizard though. Just a massive black man with a skin condition who gets payed to take out Bats but Batman beats the piss out of him to send a message to his higher-up.

Zsasz is a big no for the reboot.

Hush is a maybe but let that character breathe for another decade or so. The next origin is a good time for Hush. Ive said it before but it would be neat if they tried a different spin on Bruces origin. It doesnt even need to be an exact origin story, just a young Batman and the in depth flashbacks are through the eyes of Thomas Elliott who grew up with Bruce and his parents. Maybe throw a new Selina in there before she becomes Catwoman in another movie. And that's what i would 15 years down the line.

Penguin and Freeze are on the top of my list. I cant wait for a grounded Penguin and a serious take on Victor.
 
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