Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 1

[sergeantbucky]

I feel like Quicksilver will be back eventually. when and where probably depends on the fans' response to the character.
Marvel "tries" to give fans what they want (i.e. showing Loki's resurrection at the end of TDW, the Mandarin retcon, Coulson's resurrection, more Hawkeye in AoU etc).

 

[MCU4Life26]

Wait I'm getting conflicting reports, I was told by someone who had seen the Film that Bruce leaves when the battle is all but won so therefore he realises that he is no longer needed, When he is about to leave he asks Natasha to go with him, She kisses him then kicks him down something or at least away from her so that he can turn back into the hulk , he then steals a Quin jet and crashes it into the ocean or something like that, Can someone confirm this or where those people lying to me

 

[Minxie]

Wait I'm getting conflicting reports, I was told by someone who had seen the Film that Bruce leaves when the battle is all but won so therefore he realises that he is no longer needed, When he is about to leave he asks Natasha to go with him, She kisses him then kicks him down something or at least away from her so that he can turn back into the hulk , he then steals a Quin jet and crashes it into the ocean or something like that, Can someone confirm this or where those people lying to me

I've heard from two different people that saw it that he wants to actually leave before the final battle, and wants Natasha to come with him. She's tempted to go but hears the sounds of battle and can't go through with it - that's when she kisses him to make him believe she's going with him and then she pushes him off the cliff to force him into the Hulk. After the battle is basically over, that's when the Hulk absconds with a quinjet, crashes, disappears.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

BLACK WIDOW need to keep her damn legs closed for the other movies and stick to the MISSION

 

[MCU4Life26]

Also why are people so interested in Natasha immediately starting a relationship with someone else, In the first film she says love is for children then in AOU she seemingly falls in love with someone if anything that means that her connection to Bruce is much stronger than Physical so I doubt she would be set up with someone else but if she is then that's I huge let down by the writers as that means they don't care about her as a character and only care about her for a love interest.

 

[Broseph44]

Does that mean the movie isnt good
i dont want to see it if it isnt good
DAG NABIT

BLACK WIDOW need to keep her damn legs closed for the other movies and stick to the MISSION

I LIKE Bucky
I dont want him to turn into Sucky

I keep hearing that its just a bunch of jokes and that Thor is weak.
Sounds weird but I guess thats how thongs go

Mods please can we get rid of the little child/troll. Seriously.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Nothing like a misogynistic troll.

 

[MCU4Life26]

I've heard from two different people that saw it that he wants to actually leave before the final battle, and wants Natasha to come with him. She's tempted to go but hears the sounds of battle and can't go through with it - that's when she kisses him to make him believe she's going with him and then she pushes him off the cliff to force him into the Hulk. After the battle is basically over, that's when the Hulk absconds with a quinjet, crashes, disappears.

Oh ok so turning him into the hulk basically forces him into battle, Cool thanks for that , Cant wait to finally see the film hope it doesn't disappoint.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Also why are people so interested in Natasha immediately starting a relationship with someone else, In the first film she says love is for children then in AOU she seemingly falls in love with someone if anything that means that her connection to Bruce is much stronger than Physical so I doubt she would be set up with someone else but if she is then that's I huge let down by the writers as that means they don't care about her as a character and only care about her for a love interest.

I wouldn't want Nat to immediately fall in love with Bucky - or anyone for that matter - after AoU. in fact, I'd rather her not have gone for anyone at all.

Nat doesn't need or need to be a love interest for her to be a dynamic, interesting character.

but if they do set her up with another character over the course of future films, I would prefer someone she's been with in comics canon and, far more importantly, that makes sense in terms of MCU canon.

 

[noakai]

Also why are people so interested in Natasha immediately starting a relationship with someone else, In the first film she says love is for children then in AOU she seemingly falls in love with someone if anything that means that her connection to Bruce is much stronger than Physical so I doubt she would be set up with someone else but if she is then that's I huge let down by the writers as that means they don't care about her as a character and only care about her for a love interest.

The Russos didn't seem much interested in doing anything romantic with her in their interviews, and I'm thinking that CW and both IW movies will be so packed there just isn't time for a full on romance. We might get something similar to what happened in Avengers 1 between Clint and Natasha where they have scenes that could be read as leading to a romance but maybe not much more than that. I mean it even seems like they've dropped Cap/Sharon for the time being too, Paltrow doesn't want to do more movies so we might not see Pepper again, Portman seems ehh on them too so we may not get Jane again, and Betty hasn't been since the Hulk movie so romance might not be a big thing in the MCU going forward for awhile.

 

[Brutalitops]

I feel like Quicksilver will be back eventually. when and where probably depends on the fans' response to the character.
Marvel "tries" to give fans what they want (i.e. showing Loki's resurrection at the end of TDW, the Mandarin retcon, Coulson's resurrection, more Hawkeye in AoU etc).

Honestly, as a HUGE Quicksilver fan, I'll wait until Feige expands on their plans (or lack thereof) for Quicksilver in an interview. My hope is they just want to keep him shelved until 2019 for Inhumans. He'd be a great character to use as a vehicle for the audiences introduction into the Inhumans and they can recreate the tragic Crystal-Quicksilver love story.

 

[MCU4Life26]

I wouldn't want Nat to immediately fall in love with Bucky - or anyone for that matter - after AoU. in fact, I'd rather her not have gone for anyone at all.

Nat doesn't need or need to be a love interest for her to be a dynamic, interesting character.

but if they do set her up with another character over the course of future films, I would prefer someone she's been with in comics canon and, far more importantly, that makes sense in terms of MCU canon.

In terms of MCU Canon her love interest is Bruce, The comics are earth 616 while the Films and TV series are like earth 720 or something like that therefore there is no Canon until they make it so within the MCU so they don't have to and in my opinion shouldn't follow the comics so closely.

 

[SuperBeetle]

Or Doctor Strange, Wanda could go to him to find help to bring brother back. Seriously there are a lot of ways for Pietro to come back.

 

[MCU4Life26]

The Russos didn't seem much interested in doing anything romantic with her in their interviews, and I'm thinking that CW and both IW movies will be so packed there just isn't time for a full on romance. We might get something similar to what happened in Avengers 1 between Clint and Natasha where they have scenes that could be read as leading to a romance but maybe not much more than that. I mean it even seems like they've dropped Cap/Sharon for the time being too, Paltrow doesn't want to do more movies so we might not see Pepper again, Portman seems ehh on them too so we may not get Jane again, and Betty hasn't been since the Hulk movie so romance might not be a big thing in the MCU going forward for awhile.

I think Clint is married in the film to Laura Barton (Linda Cardellini) and Has 2 kids so I doubt that they will hint at anything between her and Clint, I could be wrong as I haven't seen the film but this is what I've heard. also I just think that a strong relationship between two character shouldn't be forgotten about after one film, That's why I like winter soldier so much because Steve still isn't over Peggy, I feel like Natasha wouldn't Get over Bruce that quickly until she can talk to him and sort out her feelings Fully.

 

[sergeantbucky]

In terms of MCU Canon her love interest is Bruce, The comics are earth 616 while the Films and TV series are like earth 720 or something like that therefore there is no Canon until they make it so within the MCU so they don't have to and in my opinion shouldn't follow the comics so closely.

yeah Joss made Nat/Bruce canon. but! the key point I was trying to make was does it make sense in MCU canon based on what we've seen from both characters and the movies they've been involved in.

the other day someone came in here saying that in real life love doesn't make sense but it isn't real life. we can - and will - place the blame, if you will, for things that don't make sense or that we don't like on the writers and Marvel Studios itself. to me, and others, it seems as if Natasha has been shoehorned into a love interest for Bruce by Joss to fulfill his beauty and the beast fantasies. he literally mentioned the term in an interview.

they don't have to follow the comics to a t, nor should they. but when a love interest has been established in MCU canon - Betty - why erase her so that two Avengers can hook up?

 

[MCU4Life26]

yeah Joss made Nat/Bruce canon. but! the key point I was trying to make was does it make sense in MCU canon based on what we've seen from both characters and the movies they've been involved in.

the other day someone came in here saying that in real life love doesn't make sense but it isn't real life. we can - and will - place the blame, if you will, for things that don't make sense or that we don't like on the writers and Marvel Studios itself. to me, and others, it seems as if Natasha has been shoehorned into a love interest for Bruce by Joss to fulfill his beauty and the beast fantasies. he literally mentioned the term in an interview.

they don't have to follow the comics to a t, nor should they. but when a love interest has been established in MCU canon - Betty - why erase her so that two Avengers can hook up?

I agree with everything you have said, However I cant judge whether or not the Romance is shoe horned for Joss' fantasies or if it is actually there for a strong reason which I have faith that it is. The problem with betty is that she was in my opinion the worst part about The Incredible Hulk and would need to be recast, If they did that than it is literally just a women with the same name as the character in TIH because there is nothing that links the two, when they recast Ed Norton with Mark Ruffalo at least you had the fact that he turns into the hulk to show you they are the same character. Also just wondering if you have seen the film yet ( Hope that doesn't come off as rude)

 

[noakai]

I think Clint is married in the film to Laura Barton (Linda Cardellini) and Has 2 kids so I doubt that they will hint at anything between her and Clint, I could be wrong as I haven't seen the film but this is what I've heard. also I just think that a strong relationship between two character shouldn't be forgotten about after one film, That's why I like winter soldier so much because Steve still isn't over Peggy, I feel like Natasha wouldn't Get over Bruce that quickly until she can talk to him and sort out her feelings Fully.

Ohh sorry, I didn't mean that something will happen between Clint and Natasha, I meant that if they do choose to do anything with more romantic vibes, it won't be anything like Thor/Jane or Tony/Pepper, it will be more hinted at/teased a bit like with Clint/Nat in Avengers so that people can read into it if they want but they won't actually spend a lot of screentime on it.

 

[Minxie]

I think Clint is married in the film to Laura Barton (Linda Cardellini) and Has 2 kids so I doubt that they will hint at anything between her and Clint, I could be wrong as I haven't seen the film but this is what I've heard. also I just think that a strong relationship between two character shouldn't be forgotten about after one film, That's why I like winter soldier so much because Steve still isn't over Peggy, I feel like Natasha wouldn't Get over Bruce that quickly until she can talk to him and sort out her feelings Fully.

Honestly Bruce/Nat seems to be built pretty flimsily in this like they're not even an established couple at the beginning, just flirting, and then they go from 0-60 talking about running away together (which is highly questionable characterization for Natasha imo, I don't buy she'd be interested in 'retiring'). Their big connecting moment in the film is apparently bonding over their inability to have kids (also another questionable bit of characterization for Natasha, I hate to think her sterilization was Whedon's biggest takeaway from her comics backstory). And then when the relationship is tested by Bruce wanting to bail out on the team, Nat can't go through with it and he doesn't stick around to talk it out with her which isn't a good sign for their long term compatibility lol. He doesn't want to be an Avenger anymore, she does, them's the breaks. It seems like it was purposefully ended it in such a way where the next filmmaker to pick up after Whedon isn't responsible for continuing it should they not want to.

If you ask me the time is ripe for Nat and Bucky to find each other. He could actually keep up with her Avengers lifestyle and has more in common with her. Plus comics canon is a good thing. They've already taken Natasha's Cold War history from her so I'd rather they didn't completely ignore her comics relationships, too.
The beauty of it is now, should they feel inclined, the Russos/Markus/McFeely are free to plant seeds for them in Cap 3 which they can follow up in Infinity War, if there isn't time for fully-fledged romance in Civil War.

 

[sergeantbucky]

I agree with everything you have said, However I cant judge whether or not the Romance is shoe horned for Joss' fantasies or if it is actually there for a strong reason which I have faith that it is. The problem with betty is that she was in my opinion the worst part about The Incredible Hulk and would need to be recast, If they did that than it is literally just a women with the same name as the character in TIH because there is nothing that links the two, when they recast Ed Norton with Mark Ruffalo at least you had the fact that he turns into the hulk to show you they are the same character. Also just wondering if you have seen the film yet ( Hope that doesn't come off as rude)

TIH is considered canon, as Bruce even references events in the film during The Avengers ("The last time I was in New York, I kind of broke Harlem"). hey I'd be cool with a Betty recast!

and no, I haven't. I've even heard that the Bruce/Natasha romance was done very tastefully in AoU. and I'm glad for that! look, I'm not trying to be a pessimist regarding their relationship (I could end up loving the choices Joss made, I suppose). and I completely understand that all we can do is speculate at this point.

but ultimately I care a lot about character development and continuity. I feel that the whole is more important than the parts, and that even the team-up movies should honor what has been established in solo outings. if AoU doesn't live up to what's its promising, then yeah. I'll have a bone to pick with it.

 

[sergeantbucky]

If you ask me the time is ripe for Nat and Bucky to find each other. He could actually keep up with her Avengers lifestyle and has more in common with her. Plus comics canon is a good thing. They've already taken Natasha's Cold War history from her so I'd rather they didn't completely ignore her comics relationships, too.
The beauty of it is now, should they feel inclined, the Russos/Markus/McFeely are free to plant seeds for them in Cap 3 which they can follow up in Infinity War, if there isn't time for fully-fledged romance in Civil War.

totally agree.

kinda tangent-y lol, but my opinion is that the Russos have a better handle on Natasha and her characterization than does Joss. in fact, TWS was the movie that made me love her character and want to see more of her! I have full trust they'll do her and Bucky - whether separately or not - justice in the coming movies

 

[Minxie]

kinda tangent-y lol, but my opinion is that the Russos have a better handle on Natasha and her characterization than does Joss. in fact, TWS was the movie that made me love her character and want to see more of her! I have full trust they'll do her and Bucky - whether separately or not - justice in the coming movies

Same.

 

[MCU4Life26]

Honestly Bruce/Nat seems to be built pretty flimsily in this like they're not even an established couple at the beginning, just flirting, and then they go from 0-60 talking about running away together (which is highly questionable characterization for Natasha imo, I don't buy she'd be interested in 'retiring'). Their big connecting moment in the film is apparently bonding over their inability to have kids (also another questionable bit of characterization for Natasha, I hate to think her sterilization was Whedon's biggest takeaway from her comics backstory). And then when the relationship is tested by Bruce wanting to bail out on the team, Nat can't go through with it and he doesn't stick around to talk it out with her which isn't a good sign for their long term compatibility lol. He doesn't want to be an Avenger anymore, she does, them's the breaks. It seems like it was purposefully ended it in such a way where the next filmmaker to pick up after Whedon isn't responsible for continuing it should they not want to.

If you ask me the time is ripe for Nat and Bucky to find each other. He could actually keep up with her Avengers lifestyle and has more in common with her. Plus comics canon is a good thing. They've already taken Natasha's Cold War history from her so I'd rather they didn't completely ignore her comics relationships, too.
The beauty of it is now, should they feel inclined, the Russos/Markus/McFeely are free to plant seeds for them in Cap 3 which they can follow up in Infinity War, if there isn't time for fully-fledged romance in Civil War.

Bruce wants to get away from the chaos because he is fearful of the hulk apparently we don't get to know what Wanda showed him therefore we cant judge his decision to leave based on what we see in the film, They don't discuss leaving I think that Bruce asks Natasha to leave with him very different to both of them considering it, also this is a Movie that follows the stories of Multiple characters and storylines so going from 0-60 Might be necessary, Her sterilization is actually really important in terms of character development as it means they both have something truly heart breaking in common, neither of them can have kids her telling him that means that she isn't looking for a typical relationship with someone i.e weddings and Children she just wants to be with him for who he is and that is Bruce/Hulk. Also I doubt that is there big bonding moment just a moment where the interactions turn from fun and bubbly flirting to the more serious "if this is going to work I want you to know everything about me" Moment.

Them giving any hints at a Romantic relationship between Bucky and Nat would also be out of character for her as I don't see her as the type of person to go from really Flirting with someone in a way that shows she is interested in them romantically to doing the same to someone else immediately. Also Bucky is still the Winter soldier in many ways so his personality wouldn't be the same as the Bucky from CA:TFA

Ignoring the Comics in some places is what will differentiate the two properties going forward and I think that pairing off characters that aren't paired off in the comics is actually a great way of giving us interesting and new dynamics

Obviously you Ship Bucky and Nat and I Ship Nat And Bruce so I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this, But I am having fun discussing it.

 

[Stevie2020]

The Russos didn't seem much interested in doing anything romantic with her in their interviews, and I'm thinking that CW and both IW movies will be so packed there just isn't time for a full on romance. We might get something similar to what happened in Avengers 1 between Clint and Natasha where they have scenes that could be read as leading to a romance but maybe not much more than that. I mean it even seems like they've dropped Cap/Sharon for the time being too, Paltrow doesn't want to do more movies so we might not see Pepper again, Portman seems ehh on them too so we may not get Jane again, and Betty hasn't been since the Hulk movie so romance might not be a big thing in the MCU going forward for awhile.

I think for the sake of general story building, seems that each main character has to be thought of having some sort of love/romantic interest in order for that base to be covered. So each character for the sake of the MCU gets exactly one special someone (for now): Tony/Pepper (forsaking playboying and arms dealering); Thor/Jane (yawn), Steve has Peggy (*sobs*), Banner had Betty before the recast. Now we have Nat/Bruce (apparently disastrous) and Clint/Mrs. Clint.

With the MCU schedule as packed as it seems up through the IWs, I also wonder if there's room for anything but action. Which is fine, but these characters will have to interact between battles.

Side note: I truly believe Agent 13/Sharon was a nod to the fans and not seriously intended as laying groundwork for Steve's future love life. Although I will say that his lack of game shown in their scene together was adorable.

If you ask me the time is ripe for Nat and Bucky to find each other. He could actually keep up with her Avengers lifestyle and has more in common with her. Plus comics canon is a good thing. They've already taken Natasha's Cold War history from her so I'd rather they didn't completely ignore her comics relationships, too.
The beauty of it is now, should they feel inclined, the Russos/Markus/McFeely are free to plant seeds for them in Cap 3 which they can follow up in Infinity War, if there isn't time for fully-fledged romance in Civil War.

All good and valid, but with 2 concerns. One - I expect Bucky to have major issues to resolve when he comes back to the world and, two - if anyone gets a fully-fledged anything in Cap 3 it should be Cap.

 

[liveman789]

So far, it seems like the biggest criticism of the film is the over-doing of the cheesy dialogue.

When it was announced that the Russo bros were directing Inifinity War and that Joss was stepping down, I was pretty upset. The Russo bros are great (at least for the one film they did, even though Collinwood made me laugh quite a bit), but they don't exactly have a track record like Whedon. They could have just gotten really lucky with Winter Soldier. I guess we'll see with Civil War.

But, maybe it's better off. There were a few eye rolling lines to me in Avengers, but nothing too bad. Just from tv spots alone, I've cringed at more lines in AOU than in the first Avengers (which, like I said, were minimal cringes). That omelette line got me especially. It seemed really random. It'll probably also be good that the weight of 2 huge back to back movies are being shared by two people instead of one. Infinity War could have killed Whedon.

That said, I hope Whedon does another Marvel film. I think Spider-man would be perfect for him.

 

[Pond]

That omelette line got me especially. It seemed really random. .

Why?