Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 4

[craigdbfan]

Can someone explain to me the cave water pond and its magical powers. That part I didn't completely underetand. I know Selvig and Thor had some expository dialogue on it but it just didn't register with me.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Can someone explain to me the cave water pond and its magical powers. That part I didn't completely underetand. I know Selvig and Thor had some expository dialogue on it but it just didn't register with me.

I think a scene must have been cut out there because it didn't make much sense to me either. I'm not even sure why Selvig was in the movie. He didn't seem to contribute anything of value...

 

[The Endless]

A load of Thor's "journey" was cut apparently. It definitely makes it a head scratcher.

I'm guessing that pool is an old Nordic ritual ground or something.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Spider-Who?]

The floating city was basically going to be used as a meteorite - Untron was gonna raise it high and then slam it down into earth, which would cause another global extinction event.

 

[PunyGod]

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[The Endless]

I think the Vibranium has a strong gravity field, Ultron found a way to reverse it. Comic book science basically.

 

[pixen]

I got that part but what did it have to do with Vibranium if anything?

I believe it's what the engines/mechanical stuff that was made out of under the city.

 

[Seven Legion]

I share your confusion. I didn't know whether Ultron was made from Vibranium or not. I'm pretty sure he used it to create Vision though. And I didn't have any idea what was happening with the floating city.

I'm quite sure Ultron's final form consists of Vibranium. Remember Stark quipping if Ultron's been having a 'Vibranium cocktail' during their confrontation at the drill site?

 

[hafizbat]

One of the things that actually bothered me a bit was the Vibranium and how it was implied that it's the same stuff as Cap's shield. In the comics, I believe the shield is an accidental alloy of Adamantium and Vibranium, which makes it unique and obviously much more precious.

In AoU, it seems as if they're saying Cap's shield is only made of Vibranium (Ultron even says all humans did with Vibranium is make a frisbee) which makes it much less unique and important. It becomes replaceable.

If Ultron was covered in Vibrianium and still took damage then it strengthens the theory that Cap's shield is a special and unique mixture, which I welcome.

 

[Bruce Malone]

One of the things that actually bothered me a bit was the Vibranium and how it was implied that it's the same stuff as Cap's shield. In the comics, I believe the shield is an accidental alloy of Adamantium and Vibranium, which makes it unique and obviously much more precious.

In AoU, it seems as if they're saying Cap's shield is only made of Vibranium (Ultron even says all humans did with Vibranium is make a frisbee) which makes it much less unique and important. It becomes replaceable.

If Ultron was covered in Vibrianium and still took damage then it strengthens the theory that Cap's shield is a special and unique mixture, which I welcome.

I think that's the issue with the MCU not having the rights to the word "adamantium".

I think even before Ultron said that, people in the audience probably wondered why nothing else besides Cap's shield was made with that material?

 

[hafizbat]

I think that's the issue with the MCU not having the rights to the word "adamantium".

I think even before Ultron said that, people in the audience probably wondered why nothing else besides Cap's shield was made with that material?

Yeah, I really hope they emphasize that Cap's shield is unique and irreplaceable.

Also, didn't Tony "invent" Vibranium in IM2? I don't know, the Vibranium stuff just confuses me.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, I really hope they emphasize that Cap's shield is unique and irreplaceable.

Also, didn't Tony "invent" Vibranium in IM2? I don't know, the Vibranium stuff just confuses me.

No he didn't. It was only called a new "element" onscreen. Vibranium was formally introduced in First Avenger with Cap's shield.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think that's the issue with the MCU not having the rights to the word "adamantium".

I think even before Ultron said that, people in the audience probably wondered why nothing else besides Cap's shield was made with that material?

In First Avenger, Howard Stark says that's all of it they had.

 

[Tony Stark]

Yeah, I really hope they emphasize that Cap's shield is unique and irreplaceable.

Also, didn't Tony "invent" Vibranium in IM2? I don't know, the Vibranium stuff just confuses me.

That's in the novelization of IM2 which is non-canon.


They never state that Ultron makes himself out of Vibranium. That's not in the film. The Vibranium was used because of it's gravitational properties so it can be used for an "extinction event".

There's the line that Cap says to Tony about how he thought Howard had dug up the last of it in Wakanda. Klau makes it clear that it is rare, and the amount that Ultron has is several billions worth.

 

[flickchick85]

Ultron never says it, but Tony comments on Ultron's final form looking "juiced" due to a "Vibranium upgrade."

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yeah Tony absolutely observes that Ultron's new form is made out of Vibranium.

 

[hafizbat]

That's the problem with giving Ultron a Vibranium body, IMO. If the metal lives up to its reputation, he would be essentially impossible to destroy and obviously he needs to be destroyed. But if he is damaged like he was in AoU, it cheapens the status of Cap's shield.

The clear solution is to have Cap's shield be made of a totally unique Adamantium/Vibranium alloy, but the MCU can't use that.

 

[natey2k4]

Wow. Really? Read the post above mine.

I think his overcoat just comes off and the sleeveless costume is under it.

I'll have to check when I rewatch, but wasn't he wearing the long-sleeve purple shirt under the coat?

This one;

 

[Comic Book Guy]

I like how they made Ultron into sort of an extreme version of Tony. That was a nice touch. I don't like that they basically wasted Quicksilver for no reason.

 

[Bruce Malone]

In First Avenger, Howard Stark says that's all of it they had.

Well I guess at this point however it's out of the bag that there is indeed more of that element out there.

So to an extent Cap's Shield technically isn't so unique anymore.

 

[flickchick85]

Can someone explain to me the cave water pond and its magical powers. That part I didn't completely underetand. I know Selvig and Thor had some expository dialogue on it but it just didn't register with me.

There was some sort of Nordic legend about "The Water of Sight" that I guess was actually some sort of communications port for various dimensions or how they're all reflected in it or something. Thor said something about how there's one in every realm and "if the water spirits accept me, I can return to my dream." Selvig used his Norse mythology book to help Thor locate the one on Earth.

 

[craigdbfan]

Ah thank you for that. You definitely explained it a lot clearer than the movie did.

Granted a lot is going on this movie. After seeing this it's more than obvious this has been edited down. Loved it all the same but there are problems that are admittedly there.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Final Ultron was made of Vibranium. It was pretty obvious in the scene where he destroyed his old body. Why would he have made a new body right after getting all the vibranium lol. Just so he could be taller? haha

I got that part but what did it have to do with Vibranium if anything?

It held the land mass together i think

 

[flickchick85]

Ah thank you for that. You definitely explained it a lot clearer than the movie did.

Granted a lot is going on this movie. After seeing this it's more than obvious this has been edited down. Loved it all the same but there are problems that are admittedly there.

No problem. It was definitely uber-vague, but regardless of what may have been cut, it still boils down to a whole bunch of Norse magic mumbo jumbo, lol.