Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 5

[titansupes]

^ He means Vision, I assume? And Clint does indeed say to his wife before the finale "One last job, then I'm done".

I'm sure he'll break that promise, of course.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Who is the alien? And was this Clint's last mission?

Oh I made a mistake, I meant Vision and he's like a robot/android

 

[Solaire]

i think they blew their wad with vision picking it up. there won't be the same "oomph" for cap now.

I disagree. If Cap picks it up every theater will roar and make so much noise at the site of Cap picking it up.

 

[Hmarrs]

Man that will be worthy to see

Yes

i think they blew their wad with vision picking it up. there won't be the same "oomph" for cap now.

At first I thought the same thing but its one thing to pick it up its another thing to be able to use it.I think it will still have a WOW factor him to use it when you see all of the Lightning and Thunder coming from it as he does plus under the circumstances that he uses it for and I am sure it will be in IW possibly saving the day.(And Im sure he will Ergo:His questioning at the end secene about how Vision lifted it as a Sub Plot for when he does)

Exactly.....that was the "wow" factor for the audience. If Cap has the same moment no one will care. Just another guy on the team who is worthy of Thor's hammer.

I think Vision being a Machine was only able to lift it I don't necessarily believe he can use it.(But then Thor did say he was Worthy point blank and simple so I guess there is no further point trying to figure out how he did)Maybe because of his purpose of Preserving Life which is what Thor did when he took that hit from Destroyer that made him Worthy at the end of Thor.When before he wanted to destroy and kill the Frost Giants.
So Vision could not have killed Ultron either for that matter.

 

[The_Human]

Just returned today from after watching Age of Ultron in the cinema for the third time!

Thor specifically mentions to Tony and cap at the end that if he (Vision) can wield the hammer he can keep the gemstone and so he's worthy. Also Thor said the gemstone is safe with the Vision as being safe (meaning keeping the gemstone safe) is in short supply these days.

Also I made an error in the previous post - Tony doesn't mention the word 'Vibraniumish' when referring to Ultron Prime, rather he specifically said something along the lines of him having a Vibranium Cocktail lol!


One interesting thing I cleared up when some guys said that Ultron could of accessed missile and nuclear warhead codes to make them launch and cause the destruction of Earth, mankind etc, since he could hack through the Internet, well the irony is that he actually could not and was unable to - I'll explain:

I paid attention during the conversation that took place at Hawkeye's house with the team and Fury said that though Ultron's trying to get access to the missile codes there was someone on the other end constantly updating and changing the codes.

So Black Widow goes "We have an ally"?

Then Nick Fury continues with the conversation.

Then I was left thinking who is this ally, but then....

However after on it is confirmed that this other person who's constantly updating and changing the codes was (lo and behold) no other than Jarvis. Tony said that to Bruce during the Vision prep stasis scene. Tony also said and that Jarvis was already been beating Ultron from the inside, and that is also what he was referring to.

 

[The_Human]

Also at the end Hulk in the Quinjet scene flying away:

Fury says to Natasha that their satellites have picked up a moving signal but with Starks stealth technology they're unable to track it. So I think Fury says That Banner may have jumped off and landed/swam to the Fiji islands.

However I have a feeling that either that may be the case or Hulk's gone into space which I can't say is unlikely or not, would depend if the Quinjet is capable of space flight.

Can Hulk or Banner breathe in space if oxygen supply gets low?

I know Asgardians can as shown in Thor when Loki falls.

One thing is quite funny that I spotted in GOFTG is that Peter Quill and Gamorah were able to breathe easily and have a conversation with eachother when they were on Knowhere. They were talking privately outside - exposed to the gases in space.

Then after on during the space drones battle scene Peter Quill had to provide oxygen to Gamorah while they were floating in space dying....

Maybe the exposed surface of Knowhere is breathable but once you go a bit further up or out you need a breather or oxygen supplied spaceship.

I also thought and remembered Ronan as not being that strong yet dangerous but then he took a full blast from the Hydro Enforcer and got up immediately unscathed.

The same Hydro Enforcer that Rocket told Drax to use to blow up Yondu's ship as a warning (did you see the size of Yondu's giant ship!)

Maybe it is for blowing up planets but I doubt it, just gigantic ships more like it!

Sorry for going off topic but reading the ironman debate did my head in a bit lol!

Apologies.

 

[The_Human]

I really hope that Age of Ultron Blu Ray Extended Edition is 15-20 mins extra, that would be awesome. But how would an 'alternate ending' go out to the masses and do or undo something that has already taken place? Not sure about that.

 

[The_Human]

Vision is capable of using Thor's hammer to hit someone ie Ultron.

But the calling back hand gesture for Mjolnir to return is only an attribute of Thor and Odin (as shown in Thor - "I take away from you your hammer/power etc.").

In the scene when Vision hits Ultron with the Hammer, the Mjolnir immediately bolts back to Thor by his will, so that aspect of it makes it clear that the relationship between the Mjolnir and its 'true owner' shares a unique bond that another 'worthy' character may not acquire.

I think there's a difference between being able to lift the Mjolnir and to actually command it.

That's what I think.

 

[sdc10]

Just returned today from after watching Age of Ultron in the cinema for the third time!

Thor specifically mentions to Tony and cap at the end that if he (Vision) can wield the hammer he can keep the gemstone and so he's worthy. Also Thor said the gemstone is safe with the Vision as being safe (meaning keeping the gemstone safe) is in short supply these days.

Also I made an error in the previous post - Tony doesn't mention the word 'Vibraniumish' when referring to Ultron Prime, rather he specifically said something along the lines of him having a Vibranium Cocktail lol!


One interesting thing I cleared up when some guys said that Ultron could of accessed missile and nuclear warhead codes to make them launch and cause the destruction of Earth, mankind etc, since he could hack through the Internet, well the irony is that he actually could not and was unable to - I'll explain:

I paid attention during the conversation that took place at Hawkeye's house with the team and Fury said that though Ultron's trying to get access to the missile codes there was someone on the other end constantly updating and changing the codes.

So Black Widow goes "We have an ally"?

Then Nick Fury continues with the conversation.

Then I was left thinking who is this ally, but then....

However after on it is confirmed that this other person who's constantly updating and changing the codes was (lo and behold) no other than Jarvis. Tony said that to Bruce during the Vision prep stasis scene. Tony also said and that Jarvis was already been beating Ultron from the inside, and that is also what he was referring to.

All of that was clearly stated in the movie, and whoever didn't pick up on that was just blatantly not paying attention to what was being said during the movie.

 

[Wylie Times]

All of that was clearly stated in the movie, and whoever didn't pick up on that was just blatantly not paying attention to what was being said during the movie.

I'm finding that a LOT of people saw the movie but didn't really pay attention to what was being said.

A lot of things that were CLEARLY spelled out in the movie are being brought up as plot holes and things that weren't explained.

Sort of like how people are complaining that it's not explained why Iron Man is back even though he "quit" in his last movie....Tony never quit in Iron Man 3, in fact he says the exact opposite, that even without that money, armor, and other things he'll always be Iron man.

 

[Mjölnir]

I'm finding that a LOT of people saw the movie but didn't really pay attention to what was being said.

A lot of things that were CLEARLY spelled out in the movie are being brought up as plot holes and things that weren't explained.

Sort of like how people are complaining that it's not explained why Iron Man is back even though he "quit" in his last movie....Tony never quit in Iron Man 3, in fact he says the exact opposite, that even without that money, armor, and other things he'll always be Iron man.

The movie has a high pace with a lot of stuff, which should make for good rewatchability I hope, but I agree that there's plenty of stuff the movie makes very obvious that some still seem to miss.

 

[Just_Human]

By the way, Claudia Kim is a crappy actress

 

[drod1985]

I really hope that Age of Ultron Blu Ray Extended Edition is 15-20 mins extra, that would be awesome. But how would an 'alternate ending' go out to the masses and do or undo something that has already taken place? Not sure about that.

The alternate ending may be Quicksilver's recovery and presence with the New Avengers team at the end of the film?

 

[Hmarrs]

The alternate ending may be Quicksilver's recovery and presence with the New Avengers team at the end of the film?

It almost seems like it was actually supposed to play out that way and they threw the Death Scene in after...Because that would explain why his death wasn't even acknowledged afterwards and scarlet Which was happy go lucky in the last scene.People keep talking about he has to die so we can.."See how she would react" .Well she seemed fine to me..."My Brothers Dead now oh well time to be an Avenger Wohoo'..If it was for a story arc and her reaction seems to me like they blew it right there...Unless he was supposed to be alive and the death was edited in at the last minute...Seemed to me that Scene was supposed to have him in it by the look of it..And Scarlet Witch's Scream could have happened either way her scream was as he got shot shot. Injured either way.

 

[Mjölnir]

It almost seems like it was actually supposed to play out that way and they threw the Death Scene in after...Because that would explain why his death wasn't even acknowledged afterwards and scarlet Which was happy go lucky in the last scene.People keep talking about he has to die so we can.."See how she would react" .Well she seemed fine to me..."My Brothers Dead now oh well time to be an Avenger Wohoo'..If it was for a story arc and her reaction seems to me like they blew it right there...Unless he was supposed to be alive and the death was edited in at the last minute...Seemed to me that Scene was supposed to have him in it by the look of it..And Scarlet Witch's Scream could have happened either way her scream was as he got shot shot. Injured either way.

Whedon always wanted to kill Quicksilver, while Marvel leaned towards wanting him to survive the movie.

 

[Hmarrs]

Whedon always wanted to kill Quicksilver, while Marvel leaned towards wanting him to survive the movie.

I know and you can tell that's my point.
It looks like the Movie was built for him to live including the Ending.

 

[drod1985]

In the Empire podcast Whedon addresses this specifically. Quicksilver was always supposed to die. They only shot those alternate scenes in case Disney specifically (not Marvel) wanted them to keep Quicksilver alive.

We saw Wanda's reaction to the death in the fantastic scene where she ripped Ultron's "heart" out. The only thing we saw of her after that was one brief scene where she landed in the New Avengers headquarters, looking rather stoic. The great thing about this cinematic universe is that we'll probably see the repercussions of Pietro's death echo throughout the next few films via Wanda.

 

[Hmarrs]

In the Empire podcast Whedon addresses this specifically. Quicksilver was always supposed to die. They only shot those alternate scenes in case Disney specifically (not Marvel) wanted them to keep Quicksilver alive.

We saw Wanda's reaction to the death in the fantastic scene where she ripped Ultron's "heart" out. The only thing we saw of her after that was one brief scene where she landed in the New Avengers headquarters, looking rather stoic. The great thing about this cinematic universe is that we'll probably see the repercussions of Pietro's death echo throughout the next few films via Wanda.

Nah..Looks to me like Disney intended for him to live and then Whedon negotiated until he got his way.
Doesn't even flow right after his death they didn't even acknowledge it. It doesn't look like they thought they were going to get the go ahead until after.Even if that's what he had planned.

The great thing about this cinematic universe is that we'll probably see the repercussions of Pietro's death echo throughout the next few films via Wanda.

Na...h they will just ignore it like they do everything else.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Nah..Looks to me like Disney intended for him to live and then Whedon negotiated until he got his way.
Doesn't even flow right after his death they didn't even acknowledge it. It doesn't look like they thought they were going to get the go ahead until after.Even if that's what he had planned.

Na...h they will just ignore it like they do everything else.

... you mean Hawkeye laying next to his body, wanda screaming, ripping out ultrons heart.... and Clint naming his child after Pietro (after a time hop) wasn't acknowledging his death????????????

did we watch a different movie?

what did you want the rest of the avengers do.. cry and mourn over it when they were in the middle of still saving the city and for a guy they barely knew?

 

[The_Human]

.... and Clint naming his child after Pietro (after a time hop) wasn't acknowledging his death????????????

Wow that moment slipped out from my sight, Clint naming his son Pietro is a good move, at the end of the day Pietro did save both Clint and the kid from death by sacrificing himself as a greater cause.

It would only be fair and loving for Clint to name his newborn as such.
At the end of the day he barely knew him but it felt like he lived that moment with him seeing him die before his eyes and then laying down next to him hurt.
Felt like the most natural thing to do.

By the way, the way Pietro dropped dead on the ground took the mick, it was sad actually. I felt so sorry for the poor bugger. He was so young. RIP

Was never a fan of Hawkeye to begin with in Avengers 1 but like Banner says:
He kinda grows on you". So I felt I really liked Hawkeye a lot in this movie.
He's just a normal human (no super powers) yet he always gives it his best.

One thumb up for Hawkeye.

 

[Mjölnir]

I know and you can tell that's my point.
It looks like the Movie was built for him to live including the Ending.

I don't think so since it's so easy to shoot a scene in two different ways, and there's so few scenes left in the movie so it wouldn't have taken much time.

 

[Broseph44]

Nah..Looks to me like Disney intended for him to live and then Whedon negotiated until he got his way.
Doesn't even flow right after his death they didn't even acknowledge it. It doesn't look like they thought they were going to get the go ahead until after.Even if that's what he had planned.

Na...h they will just ignore it like they do everything else.

What in the hell. What are you even saying hahaha. Makes no sense, please read what spideyboy said.

 

[Steelsheen]

hey guys, does anybody here still have a copy of the AoU VFX breakdown from Method Studios? googling it keeps showing its been pulled?

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Vision is capable of using Thor's hammer to hit someone ie Ultron.

But the calling back hand gesture for Mjolnir to return is only an attribute of Thor and Odin (as shown in Thor - "I take away from you your hammer/power etc.").

In the scene when Vision hits Ultron with the Hammer, the Mjolnir immediately bolts back to Thor by his will, so that aspect of it makes it clear that the relationship between the Mjolnir and its 'true owner' shares a unique bond that another 'worthy' character may not acquire.

I think there's a difference between being able to lift the Mjolnir and to actually command it.

That's what I think.

I'm with you on this.

 

[Imperial]

... you mean Hawkeye laying next to his body, wanda screaming, ripping out ultrons heart.... and Clint naming his child after Pietro (after a time hop) wasn't acknowledging his death????????????

did we watch a different movie?

what did you want the rest of the avengers do.. cry and mourn over it when they were in the middle of still saving the city and for a guy they barely knew?

Add those scenes together and it makes up like 15 secs...barely a footnote worth mentioning. Doubt his death will even be mentioned in upcoming movies, totally wasted a good character without impact on story development.