Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 3x20 - "Emancipation" - Discussion Thread

[chamber-music]

Alpha Primitives!
Hellfire with his chain!

Lash unleashed!

I knew Lash would get stabbed in the back. Lingering on someone with their back turned when they are in a base filled with bad guys is a sure sign of death incoming.

Coulson, the man with the plan.

I have a feeling they may kill big Mack and have little Mack take over his spot next season.

 

[Hardstone]

So that whole Lash storyline was that so he could save Daisy..... Please, what a waste. And this whole "People get their powers for a greater purpose" is just lazy and annoys me.
People get powers because they get powers, deal with it, there should be no mystical greater power at work.
Lash could have been a great character that opened up the world to other hidden inhuman cities like Afterlife, he could have been an Inhuman that didn't believe in everyone getting powers and dealt out his own justice like the punisher.
Also perhaps Age of Ultron didn't affect AOS much but Civil War should have huge effect on everyone, what did we get, a chat between Talbot and Coulson.
Meh what do you do.

 

[reddog271]

So that whole Lash storyline was that so he could save Daisy..... Please, what a waste. And this whole "People get their powers for a greater purpose" is just lazy and annoys me.
People get powers because they get powers, deal with it, there should be no mystical greater power at work.
Lash could have been a great character that opened up the world to other hidden inhuman cities like Afterlife, he could have been an Inhuman that didn't believe in everyone getting powers and dealt out his own justice like the punisher.
Also perhaps Age of Ultron didn't affect AOS much but Civil War should have huge effect on everyone, what did we get, a chat between Talbot and Coulson.
Meh what do you do.

maybe the affect of Civil war will be more than just one show... how much did you want them to focus on the Accord when they still have their story to complete

 

[tbg]

So that whole Lash storyline was that so he could save Daisy..... Please, what a waste. And this whole "People get their powers for a greater purpose" is just lazy and annoys me.
People get powers because they get powers, deal with it, there should be no mystical greater power at work.
Lash could have been a great character that opened up the world to other hidden inhuman cities like Afterlife, he could have been an Inhuman that didn't believe in everyone getting powers and dealt out his own justice like the punisher.
Also perhaps Age of Ultron didn't affect AOS much but Civil War should have huge effect on everyone, what did we get, a chat between Talbot and Coulson.
Meh what do you do.

I agree that the whole "get their powers for a purpose" is pretty dumb. That would imply that the Kree are supreme beings and planned out the whole timeline for the universe. They experimented on humans and got inhumans. No master plan that eventually we would have X to defeat Y etc.

Still not sure who's going to die. I likewise don't think Mack, b/c they are too obvious. Fitz would be too tragic for the fans b/c he finally got the girl (although using a scary movie approach, he's the obvious one to die, finally had sex). May is a likely candidate. Whoever it is, I am predicting it will be a human, not inhuman due to the blood floating in the air, as if they were destroyed by Hive.

 

[ctsketch]

I bet May bites it

 

[TheVileOne]

This episode specifically said the Sokovia Accords provide a framekwork for the registration and monitoring of all enhanced individuals. Just saying. How can all the other MCU characters stay out of registration?

 

[Endeavor]

This episode specifically said the Sokovia Accords provide a framekwork for the registration and monitoring of all enhanced individuals. Just saying. How can all the other MCU characters stay out of registration?

Well, Coulson replied that it applied to the Avengers only and gave valid arguments why it shouldn't apply to his team.
I think it was more an exercise from Talbot putting feelers out there to see if the Inhumans could be amended into The Accords, not that the language of the document already stipulated their involvement as mandatory.

Edit: He did say Ellis sent him, but is that even true? This is the Talbot who in the comics follows a parallel agenda to Ross, and we know he's not exactly always following commands from above. Also, isn't this the same Ellis who recently told Coulson he wanted his organization to serve as a black-ops strike force? You can't do that if you have to go through the process lined up in The Accords.

 

[ctsketch]

Although the cover of the accords in the movie only said Enhanced Individuals...not avengers specific

 

[Endeavor]

Although the cover of the accords in the movie only said Enhanced Individuals...not avengers specific

IF we go by that then they can't apply to Barton or Romanov.
And in further analysis not even to Stark, Rhodey or Wilson. They aren't enhanced, they're just technology users with otherwise very human skills.

 

[terry78]

When they say enhanced they're implying anyone that uses tech probably.

 

[KingCheops]

Enhanced = anyone with enhancements like Deathlok, Stark or Rogers
Powered = Inhumans, Thor, Hulk

This was covered last season IIRC.

As to the objections about the whole "created for a purpose and balance" just remember that that is all coming from Lincoln and Ji Yang's philosophy. We haven't heard any of this from Hive or the Kree yet. Even the Kree that zapped Lady Sif last season didn't spout any of that philosophy -- Inhumans were just weapons that were discarded.

 

[Kbrah]

Yeah, all this created for a purpose thing, just like King Cheops mentioned, I think its pretty interesting.

Not wanting to say anything is right or wrong in the real world, but some people in our world also seem to say that a lot of stuff happen for a reason, that this and that were meant to be. Why can you just not see it as the writers setting up something similar. Its arguably a tendancy humans (and inhumans) have, to explain things they don't understand with theories, until they are proven wrong and then they adapt the theories (physics experimentation). So in no way does it have to be true.

 

[Endeavor]

very good point Cheops

welcome to the forum Kbrah

 

[TheVileOne]

Well, Coulson replied that it applied to the Avengers only and gave valid arguments why it shouldn't apply to his team.
I think it was more an exercise from Talbot putting feelers out there to see if the Inhumans could be amended into The Accords, not that the language of the document already stipulated their involvement as mandatory.

The news reporter indicated that it's framework for all enhanced individuals.

 

[Vartha]

Even Steve uses "enhanced" in AoU. "We have an Enhanced in the field"

 

[DN91]

Of course, "enhanced" (I believe) was a term that originated on this show.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Well, it was said first in this show. Whether it "originated" here is a different question given that movies are developed for a much longer period of time.

 

[kane9321]

I knew another brother was gonna get it.

I told you

Can we just kill Lincoln and be done with this

 

[Pokkle]

The news reporter indicated that it's framework for all enhanced individuals.

There was also this on WHIH twitter:

https://***********/WHIHOfficial

"framework for the registration and deployment of enchanced individuals"

Like I said in the other topic, I think it's for the military use of these enhanced individuals and not for the civilians.

Shield operate on foreign soil with his Inhuman for military,spy,etc interventions.

 

[TheVileOne]

There was also this on WHIH twitter:

https://***********/WHIHOfficial

"framework for the registration and deployment of enchanced individuals"

Like I said in the other topic, I think it's for the military use of these enhanced individuals and not for the civilians.

Shield operate on foreign soil with his Inhuman for military,spy,etc interventions.

The Secretary of State for the US views enhanced people as vigilantes and WMDs. Registration goes beyond deployment. That means if they aren't getting deployed, the US wants these people "registered" and documented to the US and UN.

Think about that. The government is calling them weapons and nuclear warheads. In short, they are no longer viewed as human beings with inherent human rights.

 

[megabandp]

The song at the beginning of Season 3 Episode 20 Emancipation anyone know the name of that song and the band that played it? Guitar playing sounds a bit like SRV. Thanks

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

I agree that the whole "get their powers for a purpose" is pretty dumb.

Nope, imho that's pretty cool.
There are parallels to the "12 monkeys" movie where they catch up the point of determination (and leave it open so that everyone can think of for themselves).
You don't see this on screen very often and to get this in a series is awesome.

 

[DN91]

The Secretary of State for the US views enhanced people as vigilantes and WMDs. Registration goes beyond deployment. That means if they aren't getting deployed, the US wants these people "registered" and documented to the US and UN.

Think about that. The government is calling them weapons and nuclear warheads. In short, they are no longer viewed as human beings with inherent human rights.

When you put it that way, it pretty much makes it clear that Cap's arguments against the Accords seem like the morally reasonable one, because as he put it, "the safest hands are still our own."

 

[RiXi]

"Rasta-Hulk is your husband?"

 

[Corwin]

Yeah, all this created for a purpose thing, just like King Cheops mentioned, I think its pretty interesting.

Not wanting to say anything is right or wrong in the real world, but some people in our world also seem to say that a lot of stuff happen for a reason, that this and that were meant to be. Why can you just not see it as the writers setting up something similar. Its arguably a tendancy humans (and inhumans) have, to explain things they don't understand with theories, until they are proven wrong and then they adapt the theories (physics experimentation). So in no way does it have to be true.

Here I am, Friday night, thinking about the important issues: AOS.
Remember last season after Gordon rescued Daisy and she woke up (half) "naked" on a table with all those acupuncture needles in her?
Eastern medicine.
When Daisy and Cal went to his old Doctors office and she notice they had the same hula girl figurine?
He explained it away as some kind of "genetic memory".
Now we are given the premise that being injected with alien blood derived serum gives the host the inherent qualities of that species, effectively altering their DNA.
I'm sure I can dig up other examples but my point is: in this MCU, possibly in preparation for Doctor Strange's magic realm, physics are different.
They can acquire scientifically verifiable evidence of what we would (in the real world) disregard as purely subjective anecdotal evidence.
Early on in season one Akela (sp?) was it first speculatively considered psychic by "Skye", Agent May pointed out: "no evidence for psychic powers", or words to that effect.
Considering the projected MCU phase sequence, the elements of magical thinking are working their way into the story lines quite well as seen, for example with Scarlet Witch.
(I'll probably edit this as needed when I sober up sometime tomorrow).