Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD - 3x04 - "Devils You Know" - Discussion Thread

[SwiftFox]

It looked like Lash let her live because he knew her? An old friend? His shadow reduced down to a thin to average build male. Looking at past seasons nobody comes to mind, unless its that loser computer hacker boyfriend from season 1. Doubtful.

I think Lash let her live because he's banks and Rosalind doesn't want Daisy dead yet (The ACTU is figuring out that some Inhumans were around before the whole fish oil debacle)? Or well who knows. I have a feeling he's definitely one of Rosalind's (who I love to hate right up there with Ward).

 

[HFK]

While I doubt Agent Banks is Lash he has to be something more than we have seen. Don't you think Rosiland would have some inhuman back up with her?

 

[Just_Human]

This guy reminds me of the "Hey Kramer dude, you ever killed a man?" guy from Seinfeld.

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Haha so true

 

[HFK]

Have to say too that the inhumans does remind me a bit of Heros.

 

[Ant]

I just hope next episode answers a ton of questions.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think Banks and Simmons are human. Andrew I'm not so sure about. The look on Werner's face as he went out of the gas station was a look of fear. He would not have had that look if Andrew had died and he had killed him. He would have had a look of confidence.

 

[RocketsNutz]

Agree Jr looked a little scared after the explosion, never really thought that maybe Andrew did something (maybe Deathlok has been trailing and saved the day), but my initial reaction was that he was kinda like "oh ****, I did that". Yeah he beat the **** out of that guy in the other episode, but I kinda felt like he's not used to getting his hands dirty. Obviously I could be way wrong, and I do like the idea more that he's on the run from something.

I want to go back and watch the scene again, but when Andrew and Gemma are talking he says something about being back and safe (along with some other things). The way she responded made me think she was saying he was wrong about just because she's back she's safe... ie, she saw something there that revealed none of us are safe (ie larger MCU implications).

 

[Dr. Evil]

Agree Jr looked a little scared after the explosion, never really thought that maybe Andrew did something (maybe Deathlok has been trailing and saved the day), but my initial reaction was that he was kinda like "oh ****, I did that". Yeah he beat the **** out of that guy in the other episode, but I kinda felt like he's not used to getting his hands dirty. Obviously I could be way wrong, and I do like the idea more that he's on the run from something.

I want to go back and watch the scene again, but when Andrew and Gemma are talking he says something about being back and safe (along with some other things). The way she responded made me think she was saying he was wrong about just because she's back she's safe... ie, she saw something there that revealed none of us are safe (ie larger MCU implications).

If that was the case, then where were the rest of Strucker's men? If Andrew had really been dead, then where were they? They would have come out with Werner. The look on his face indicates that he saw something in there that he wasn't supposed to see. Something that scared the living daylights out of him. It wasn't him or any of his men, so who else could it have been? It was Andrew.

Also, when Andrew was confronted by HYDRA, he didn't seem scared. Surprised? Yes, but not scared.

 

[misjuevos]

What if Andrew beat up the guys. Seems more than likely. Here is another twist, what if Andrew is an inhuman now and that is why he left May. Aso why he is so adamant about helping the inhuman patience a. Maybe he just turned during their trip or has been an inhuman all this time, now his secret is getting harder to maintain.

 

[Dr. Evil]

What if Andrew beat up the guys. Seems more than likely. Here is another twist, what if Andrew is an inhuman now and that is why he left May. Aso why he is so adamant about helping the inhuman patience a. Maybe he just turned during their trip or has been an inhuman all this time, now his secret is getting harder to maintain.

It seems likely that Werner's men are dead, so I think Andrew is some sort of Inhuman. If he was dead, the guys would have come out with Werner and they would have ran away instantly. Instead it was Werner who came out looking like he saw something that he wasn't suposed to see and basically scared out his mind.

Someone on IMDB says that HYDRA captured Garner, but if that was the case, why did Werner have that scared s-less look on his face when he ran out of the convenience store?

 

[Steyin]

I'd think the husband of the Calvary would have learned a thing or two from her to be able to hold his own should the situation arise.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I'd think the husband of the Calvary would have learned a thing or two from her to be able to hold his own should the situation arise.

While true, if he had just done some martial arts that he learned from May, why didn't Strucker's men come out with him? I highly doubt that they would have abandoned him in front of the store like that if that had ran to the back, because Ward sees the importance in Werner.

 

[Rocinante]

I think Andrew is Lash it all fits.

-He's been stopping Coulson and Daisy from recruiting any candidates

- very upset and combative when he found out Coulson had Alicia , but when he was looking at her it was surprise. He straight out asks where he's hiding the rest.

-He mysteriously disappeared after he and May got back together, probably because he went through terrigen.

-Werner ran out of the store looking terrified as opposed to satisfied that he completed his mission.

-Lash didn't touch Daisy when he took out that dude.

 

[justme]

I am surprised that no one else came up with the same question I did during the Hydra situation: "Where"s Bobbi?". Bobbi knows that Coulson is going to back up Hunter. Bobbi is not allowed to take to the field. One of the person's responsible for holding Bobbi back is Andrew. What if Bobbi went to see Andrew to get released to field duty? Just seems logical to me. The only thing that makes me question that is the look on Werner's face. Also, do you think Werner is going to have a change of heart and want to go back to his old lifestyle?

 

[Dr. Evil]

I am surprised that no one else came up with the same question I did during the Hydra situation: "Where"s Bobbi?". Bobbi knows that Coulson is going to back up Hunter. Bobbi is not allowed to take to the field. One of the person's responsible for holding Bobbi back is Andrew. What if Bobbi went to see Andrew to get released to field duty? Just seems logical to me. The only thing that makes me question that is the look on Werner's face. Also, do you think Werner is going to have a change of heart and want to go back to his old lifestyle?

If Bobbi was involved, then why would Werner look like he's scared s-less? He would have looked upset and angry. Plus his men would have been out there with him but they are nowhere to be seen.

 

[justme]

If Bobbi was involved, then why would Werner look like he's scared s-less? He would have looked upset and angry. Plus his men would have been out there with him but they are nowhere to be seen.

Well Werner could have run away while his henchmen were getting their asses kicked. The only thing that makes me question the theory is Werner's scared s-less look. It could be that he witnessed an a**kicking from Bobbi. I would be surprised if Andrew was Lash.

 

[Heretic]

This episode is called Devils You Know.

Plural.

Ward is a devil they know. He's one devil.

This means there was another devil that they knew on the show.

May's husband is Lash. I SUPPOSE there could be a twist that he's just working WITH Lash...but come on...he's probably Lash. He's a pretty meaningless character that for some reason has become a major part of the storyline, touching pretty much every character on the show.

 

[justme]

This episode is called Devils You Know.

Plural.

Ward is a devil they know. He's one devil.

This means there was another devil that they knew on the show.

May's husband is Lash. I SUPPOSE there could be a twist that he's just working WITH Lash...but come on...he's probably Lash. He's a pretty meaningless character that for some reason has become a major part of the storyline, touching pretty much every character on the show.

They already knew Lash was a devil who killed inhumans. We may be reading a bit more than we should into it. Andrew could just be another inhuman that has not been revealed yet.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well Werner could have run away while his henchmen were getting their asses kicked. The only thing that makes me question the theory is Werner's scared s-less look. It could be that he witnessed an a**kicking from Bobbi. I would be surprised if Andrew was Lash.

An ass kicking like that? He would have been angry that his plan was foiled, not scared s-less.

How would she know which store Andrew was shopping in?

Andrew may not be Lash, but he's most likely an Inhuman.

 

[justme]

An ass kicking like that? He would have been angry that his plan was foiled, not scared s-less.

How would she know which store Andrew was shopping in?

The store had to be close to the college/university where Andrew teaches. He was supposed to have a class pretty soon. Might be getting something to drink during the class to keep his throat from getting dry.

One question that I have is: Werner may have been born Hydra but is he really Hydra material? He was busy being a playboy before Ward showed up. Will he want to go back to his old lifestyle after what he witnessed. Ward will also be down for awhile with the bullet wound. Just wondering.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The store had to be close to the college/university where Andrew teaches. He was supposed to have a class pretty soon. Might be getting something to drink during the class to keep his throat from getting dry.

One question that I have is: Werner may have been born Hydra but is he really Hydra material? He was busy being a playboy before Ward showed up. Will he want to go back to his old lifestyle after what he witnessed. Ward will also be down for awhile with the bullet wound. Just wondering.

If all he witnessed was Bobbi kicking ass, then he probably would remain with HYDRA. If he saw something else, like whatever it was that made him scared, then I think he may want to go back to his old lifestyle.

 

[Heretic]

They already knew Lash was a devil who killed inhumans. We may be reading a bit more than we should into it. Andrew could just be another inhuman that has not been revealed yet.

I'm not sure that I'd describe Lash as someone they KNOW.

Who knows? They could throw us a curve-ball and say that some Inhuman saved him. Maybe Lash wanted his help or whatever. But the idea behind this type of stuff is to get people thinking...so...we're thinking. If it turns out to be something none of us saw coming, then that is really great because surprises are fun.

 

[justme]

I'm not sure that I'd describe Lash as someone they KNOW.

Who knows? They could throw us a curve-ball and say that some Inhuman saved him. Maybe Lash wanted his help or whatever. But the idea behind this type of stuff is to get people thinking...so...we're thinking. If it turns out to be something none of us saw coming, then that is really great because surprises are fun.

Sorry if I made you think that I was against your thinking. I was just questioning if our thoughts were leading us down the wrong rabbit hole. Just because I am questioning the thinking does not mean it is not a good idea. Just having a healthy dose of skepticism. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.

 

[Chemistro]

A couple of thoughts:

1. In episode 3.01, Rosalind Price believed that Coulson was the one killing inhumans. She wasn't lying, she had Coulson, and didn't need to lie about that. So, she's not in league with Lash.

2. Frye would have a sort of allergic reaction to inhumans. There was no reaction to Banks. He wanted them to get Daisy out of there, but had no problem with Banks. He may still be enhanced, but he's not inhuman.

3. Lash knew the names of his victims somehow. Also, some of the people he tracked had transformed years ago and knew what they were, whereas others had recently changed and didn't know anything. That's a mystery.

4. In 3.01, he recognized Lincoln as an inhuman when he saw him. But it seems he did not know about Daisy. That suggests it's not Andrew. Also, after she hit him before he could kill Lincoln, he attacked her - though for some reason, he did not kill her this time. Weird. But I still don't think he's Andrew - though Andrew might still be an inhuman.

 

[Heretic]

I think Price's role on the show (not the character's motivation, but the scripted purpose of the character) may be to get Coulson and Daisy to disagree with each other...so that we actually are torn on who to hope wins their version of Civil War. If it was SHIELD as a unit verses the ATCU, then that isn't a war where we are challenged to pick a side...it'd be obvious that we'd pick the stars of the show. I'd be fine with Coulson getting killed during a tv Civil War...which would eliminate all need for the movies to ever address him, making future tv/movie crossovers easier.