AICN Interview w/ Ioan Gruffudd ("Galactus: A No-Show?")

[Spade]

I'm getting a very strong "X3" vibe here. Seems Fox is going to, yet again, screw up the good things going for this film. I don't believe that Ioan was lying. All of the people quoted about Galactus appearing have something to lose in this. Ioan's acknowledged ignorance of Galactus sort of shows that he doesn't have an issue revealing certain things in this film. I'm getting the feeling Rothman has had his hand yet again in this film, and that we're getting the 'Sentinel head' Galactus.

Geez. I'm really hoping this is the only issue in the film. I can deal with the comedy Story will most likely inject into the film and the triangle with some resilience, but it's news like this that usually begins the tumult of bad news.

 

[Kelly]

Wishful thinking. I went through this twice before with FOX on X3 and F4. When we hear this bad or questionable news and try and make excuses we are just wasting our time. This stuff always have turned out to be true more then false. I promise FOX won't get my money this time. I will more then likly see F4 2, but rest assured I'll purchase a ticket for another flick that deserves the money and credit and see F4 2.

That'll show'um.....

 

[Dragon]

Aaaaannnnnddddd, thats probably why we disagree on so much....*smiles*

really? Okay- minus the lack of budget- how was Corman's film worse than Story's (oh and not casting Alba doesn't count ).

 

[haephestus]

Plenty happy for only the Silver Surfer to appear in this movie. With the return of Doom, the exploration of the Silver Surfer's character, the battle with Cosmic Powered Doom, there seems to be plenty of material in the movie so far. Not to mention hopfully fleshing out Reed (though the whole abandoning science for fame and then abandoning fame for anonymity sounds a little lame) and Sue (though again, the whole fancying the Silver Surfer over Reed is a little lame).

That said, I was hoping that the arrival of Galactus would set up a cliff-hanger for FF2 which would then be resolved in FF3. However, I could understand TPTB not wanting to end on a cliffhanger if a third movie is not guaranteed. Hopefully, Galactus will be hinted at or even straight out mentioned as a threat by Silver Surfer during FF2, then the movie can end with Doom being defeated and if FF3 happens, then it could continue the Silver Surfer storyline with Galactus' arrival, without FF2 strictly needing to end on a cliffhanger with Galactus' arrival.

Then again, Galactus' arrival could be a completely CGI scene tacked onto the end of the movie and as such, Ioan would not need to have been privy to the existence of the scene. The movie could just end with a shadowy figure (or whatever they design they end up going with for Galactus) moving through space towards Earth as opposed to ending with a direct confrontation between Galactus and the FF, Silver Surfer and possibly Doom.

Cheers.

 

[Kelly]

really? Okay- minus the lack of budget- how was Corman's film worse than Story's (oh and not casting Alba doesn't count ).

My friends and I watched Corman's F4 as a joke, not as a real movie. Had I had a few beers beforehand, it might have been better.

1. Of course I would use lack of budget, the effects were so laughable, SNL has used better SFX in its parodies...Thing looked like the forerunner to the TMNT, literally.
2. Most of the cast was ...... well if I used the wording I want to use, and how they portrayed these characters.....I'd get banned, or at the least, I would be put on probation. BTW, Sue was the biggest positive for me.

As far as Story's F4....I was disappointed, and I've stated why. IMO, they had, and have a great cast, the first script had potential, the novelization showed that it could work IMO, but the editing killed it for me.

My 2 weaknesses of Story's film were editing, and Story's lack of muscle to get done, what needed to get done. I enjoyed the movie, because everyone I've seen the movie with, have all throughly enjoyed it. They were not privvy to what it could have been....nor the potential lost.

And, please come up with another dig, using Jessica is really getting old. I actually wanted AJ Cook for the part of Sue in the 2005 film, but that didn't happen. So please move on to something else....its not even worth an "eyeroll".

 

[Dragon]

My friends and I watched Corman's F4 as a joke, not as a real movie. Had I had a few beers beforehand, it might have been better.

1. Of course I would use lack of budget, the effects were so laughable, SNL has used better SFX in its parodies...Thing looked like the forerunner to the TMNT, literally.

So then, most of your problems with the film were because of the budget- which as I said going in, doesn't count. We know the lack of budget effected the film. However- one can easily assume, since with only 4 million bucks Corman did at least strive to stay true to the comics- if he had 100 million, we'd have seen a much better film.

2. Most of the cast was ...... well if I used the wording I want to use, and how they portrayed these characters.....I'd get banned, or at the least, I would be put on probation. BTW, Sue was the biggest positive for me.

Well, I honestly don't recall what was so bad about their performances. The script was kind of bland- but then so was Story's. The only saving grace to Story's script was a few clever one-liners. Otherwies, nothing. The only performance in Story's film that clearly blew away anything in Corman's was Chiklis. Sure, Story's cast is prettier with the exception of Staab, who I maintain is physically perfect for Sue. And I also think Joseph Culp was a MUCH BETTER physical Doom than McMahon. And if Corman's cast had a better shooting schedule, which a higher budget affords you, then I'm sure we could've gotten better performances, camera set-ups and the like, which makes all the difference.

As far as Story's F4....I was disappointed, and I've stated why. IMO, they had, and have a great cast, the first script had potential, the novelization showed that it could work IMO, but the editing killed it for me.

My 2 weaknesses of Story's film were editing, and Story's lack of muscle to get done, what needed to get done. I enjoyed the movie, because everyone I've seen the movie with, have all throughly enjoyed it. They were not privvy to what it could have been....nor the potential lost.

The point of this discussion is that if Story had 25 times the budget that Corman had to work with, his film should have been that much better. It wasn't. And in numerous ways, it was worse.

Non-comic fans don't get how important the FF are to comic history- to shaping the evolution of comic books. To them, the FF movie was just a two hour distraction. In my view, the film should have been nearly as powerful and revolutionary as the comic book. Or at least as epic as LOTR or Star Wars. It wasn't. Think of it- the FF in the comics don't just battle a villain. They, from day one faced whole civilizations- intergalactic empires; till it got to where Stan and Jack literally had to have them battle God- i.e. the Galactus saga. Story and his crew don't get that.

And, please come up with another dig, using Jessica is really getting old. I actually wanted AJ Cook for the part of Sue in the 2005 film, but that didn't happen. So please move on to something else....its not even worth an "eyeroll".

You always seem to take my strikes against Jessica's casting personally, which it isn't. I've said repeatedly and meant that I have nothing against her at all, and I don't even hold it against her for taking a role that has so advanced her career. My every gripe against her casting is against the people in charge of making the film- as it clearly represents how they see the FF. All glitz and glamour (the silly fixation on their celebrity) and no substance. As I've said- had they cast Jecssica as Crystal of the Inhumans- that would've been perfect. She has an other-worldly beauty that would fit the character. She could even make for a great Nova. Just not Sue.

About AJ Cook- I've seen Criminal Minds a number of times, but to be honest, she doesn't stick out in my mind. I mean I can recall her being in scenes and even what her character was doing, but I don't really have an opinion on her performances. But I'll say that if they're going with the Sue concept of her being a scientist, I just can't see them casting anyone under 30 for the role.

However- I think the happier medium would have been that if they wanted a younger Sue, they should have written her to be more of an apprentice or intern studying under Reed ( ). Then they could show she's got a brain in her head, yet make her younger- for whatever reason they feel she needs to be younger.

 

[Casius--J]

My friends and I watched Corman's F4 as a joke, not as a real movie. Had I had a few beers beforehand, it might have been better.

1. Of course I would use lack of budget, the effects were so laughable, SNL has used better SFX in its parodies...Thing looked like the forerunner to the TMNT, literally.
2. Most of the cast was ...... well if I used the wording I want to use, and how they portrayed these characters.....I'd get banned, or at the least, I would be put on probation. BTW, Sue was the biggest positive for me.

As far as Story's F4....I was disappointed, and I've stated why. IMO, they had, and have a great cast, the first script had potential, the novelization showed that it could work IMO, but the editing killed it for me.

My 2 weaknesses of Story's film were editing, and Story's lack of muscle to get done, what needed to get done. I enjoyed the movie, because everyone I've seen the movie with, have all throughly enjoyed it. They were not privvy to what it could have been....nor the potential lost.

And, please come up with another dig, using Jessica is really getting old. I actually wanted AJ Cook for the part of Sue in the 2005 film, but that didn't happen. So please move on to something else....its not even worth an "eyeroll".

WOA JMAFan where u been hidin???

Anyways back on topic, i really do hope Ioan is giving us disinformation which I doubt he is but doesnt hurt to hope!!

I really cant see this being played out well without a Big Galactus finally, there needs to be a visual conflict coming and doom stealing surfers powers isnt enough I need them to take down the Big G.

 

[Hunter Rider]

when the Silver Surfer arrives, he sort of drives a wedge between Sue Storm and myself. She finds him mysterious and appealing,

Stupid, but not surprising. How can they not have Galactus? That's the whole point. The Surfer just surveying the Earth isn't the important part of the story. And the surfer's dramatic change is only significant if he makes the change in face of the wrath of his master.

I knew they'd f- it up again.

I agree with you to a point but my bet is that they aren't sure how the changes to Galactus will go down and don't wish to flush away the good will they have built with the SS

Also the producer of TF mentioned in a recent interview how they had to be mindful of how much they used Optimus Prime as his CGI is so costly to do,with 4 super powered heroes and a totally mo capped CGI SS the budget is probably already stretched

The idea of no cliffhanger is a shame as it make me think we won't see the FF and SS doing battle with Galactus ever

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I agree with you to a point but my bet is that they aren't sure how the changes to Galactus will go down and don't wish to flush away the good will they have built with the SS

Also the producer of TF mentioned in a recent interview how they had to be mindful of how much they used Optimus Prime as his CGI is so costly to do,with 4 super powered heroes and a totally mo capped CGI SS the budget is probably already stretched

The idea of no cliffhanger is a shame as it make me think we won't see the FF and SS doing battle with Galactus ever

That's not really an excuse though. If Fox doesnt have the budget to properly translate this story to the big screen, then there are a host of OTHER storylines they could have adapted. Puppet Master or Mad Thinker, or Red Ghost for example...

Fox needs to make up it's mind and decide if they want FF to be a major superhero flick along the lines of Spider-Man, or just another average one like Daredevil.

 

[Kelly]

So then, most of your problems with the film were because of the budget- which as I said going in, doesn't count. We know the lack of budget effected the film. However- one can easily assume, since with only 4 million bucks Corman did at least strive to stay true to the comics- if he had 100 million, we'd have seen a much better film.

When a student first brought this movie to my attention, he thought it was a joke on the Fantastic Four Comic. He did not take it seriously. I didn't either until I came to this board in 2004 and realized that it was actually a movie made thinking it was going to be released. I don't even put it in the same category as Story's. In my opinion, it was that bad.

Well, I honestly don't recall what was so bad about their performances. The script was kind of bland- but then so was Story's. The only saving grace to Story's script was a few clever one-liners. Otherwies, nothing. The only performance in Story's film that clearly blew away anything in Corman's was Chiklis. Sure, Story's cast is prettier with the exception of Staab, who I maintain is physically perfect for Sue. And I also think Joseph Culp was a MUCH BETTER physical Doom than McMahon. And if Corman's cast had a better shooting schedule, which a higher budget affords you, then I'm sure we could've gotten better performances, camera set-ups and the like, which makes all the difference.

I disagree, but thats ok. As I said before Sue was the positive for me.

The point of this discussion is that if Story had 25 times the budget that Corman had to work with, his film should have been that much better. It wasn't. And in numerous ways, it was worse.

Non-comic fans don't get how important the FF are to comic history- to shaping the evolution of comic books. To them, the FF movie was just a two hour distraction. In my view, the film should have been nearly as powerful and revolutionary as the comic book. Or at least as epic as LOTR or Star Wars. It wasn't. Think of it- the FF in the comics don't just battle a villain. They, from day one faced whole civilizations- intergalactic empires; till it got to where Stan and Jack literally had to have them battle God- i.e. the Galactus saga. Story and his crew don't get that.

You are correct non-comic fans do not, but it is the non-comic fan that make the movie successful, because that is the majority that have their butts in those seats. I've never argued that. As far as what Story and his crew "don't get"...I don't know yet, I'll wait and see how this plays out as I did with the first movie. If I'm "as disappointed" as I was with the first....I won't waste my time with the 3rd....but I will wait to see what happens.

You always seem to take my strikes against Jessica's casting personally, which it isn't. I've said repeatedly and meant that I have nothing against her at all, and I don't even hold it against her for taking a role that has so advanced her career. My every gripe against her casting is against the people in charge of making the film- as it clearly represents how they see the FF. All glitz and glamour (the silly fixation on their celebrity) and no substance. As I've said- had they cast Jecssica as Crystal of the Inhumans- that would've been perfect. She has an other-worldly beauty that would fit the character. She could even make for a great Nova. Just not Sue.

Never once, have I argued with you as far as your dislike of Jessica as Sue or as an actress, I don't argue with anyone in that regard, that is your opinion and that is totally ok with me. Yes I take it personally because you seem to have to make a small dig with every post "to me personally". I don't have a problem with the opinion, but I am much more than a Screen Name. My opinion does not stem from my SN, it stems from my mind, my likes and dislikes of the movie as a whole, not the movie as it relates to Jessica. You need to see JAL for that scenario.

About AJ Cook- I've seen Criminal Minds a number of times, but to be honest, she doesn't stick out in my mind. I mean I can recall her being in scenes and even what her character was doing, but I don't really have an opinion on her performances. But I'll say that if they're going with the Sue concept of her being a scientist, I just can't see them casting anyone under 30 for the role.

ok...

However- I think the happier medium would have been that if they wanted a younger Sue, they should have written her to be more of an apprentice or intern studying under Reed ( ). Then they could show she's got a brain in her head, yet make her younger- for whatever reason they feel she needs to be younger.

We will just have to disagree on that part Dragon, thats just how it is. In my opinion, had they written better exposition for her, which she has spouted off with great ease in the past, then I would have been much happier with the character of Sue as a scientist. As it was written, I was not. Enough has been discussed as far as thats concerned. I don't look at someone and say, she "looks" like a scientist....I would sit down talk, listen, and go by that. The look was never a problem, the lack of exposition was, in my opinion.

Don't really have much more to say on my problems of the first film other than that....or point to the Characterization/Relationship thread in the first forum and leave it at that....I find the repetition of bloviation on my part gives me a headache.

 

[Dragon]

When a student first brought this movie to my attention, he thought it was a joke on the Fantastic Four Comic. He did not take it seriously. I didn't either until I came to this board in 2004 and realized that it was actually a movie made thinking it was going to be released. I don't even put it in the same category as Story's. In my opinion, it was that bad.

But you seem to keep dodging my query to you- which is what aside from the lack of budget did you feel made the film inferior? What about Story's film do you think puts it in another category- again- minus the budget difference. Imagine 100 milloin dollars spent on the Corman film- or imagnie 4 milliomn spent on Story's film. What would they look like?

You are correct non-comic fans do not, but it is the non-comic fan that make the movie successful, because that is the majority that have their butts in those seats. I've never argued that.

And i would argue MORE butts would've been in the seats if they made the film more epic. Most of the people who helped LOTR score billions of dollars worldwide weren't Tolkien fans. They responded to the power of the vision.

As far as what Story and his crew "don't get"...I don't know yet, I'll wait and see how this plays out as I did with the first movie. If I'm "as disappointed" as I was with the first....I won't waste my time with the 3rd....but I will wait to see what happens.

Well, we know what happened with the first film. And now we're getting story details in the second film. IMO, not having Galactus a presence already places things back on the level of Doom minus Latveria in the first.

Sue being fascinated or whatever with the Surfer is the same as her romance with Doom. Even worse really since she's now married to Reed.

Doom being able to steal the Surfer's power- a being with demi-god level power and even minus that from a race of being far advanced from Earth- gives me pause. Yes I know this happened in the comics and the story is a classic. But the circumstances were different in that story than what we have here. The Surfer had been weakend by Galactus and had a naivete that he didn't have when first arriving on Earth.

Of course I can't make a final judgement yet but I'm seeing nothing yet to think that things have gotten any better.

 

[Kelly]

But you seem to keep dodging my query to you- which is what aside from the lack of budget did you feel made the film inferior? What about Story's film do you think puts it in another category- again- minus the budget difference. Imagine 100 milloin dollars spent on the Corman film- or imagnie 4 milliomn spent on Story's film. What would they look like?

1. Casting
2. Writing
3. Came off more as a joke than as a movie for the big screen.

That hasn't changed from my first post, Reed, and Johnny were poorly cast in my opinion for reasons that I can't give here....lol as far as Ben, yeah he was ok....Sue as I said was a plus for the movie, but not enough for me to actually think it was an actual movie.... and as I said, to give my full opinion, I promise you, if I gave some of the quotes from the people and myself that watched it I would be put on probation.

And i would argue MORE butts would've been in the seats if they made the film more epic. Most of the people who helped LOTR score billions of dollars worldwide weren't Tolkien fans. They responded to the power of the vision.

I agree, but your response, to me, came off as it must be written for the comic fan, or "if it was written" for the comic fan it would have been more epic. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, but I certainly can understand your side.

Well, we know what happened with the first film. And now we're getting story details in the second film. IMO, not having Galactus a presence already places things back on the level of Doom minus Latveria in the first.

ok...

Sue being fascinated or whatever with the Surfer is the same as her romance with Doom. Even worse really since she's now married to Reed.

Yes, I must say that in the beginning when it sounded to me like, less of a love triangle, and more of Sue simply seeing a "passionate" side of the SS, rather than a villain, and the others seeing him as a villain, IF it comes off as that, I'm more than ok with that aspect. BUT from what Ioan has said, it does, indeed, sound more like a love triangle, and I'm not ok with that. Who's to say they will actually GET MARRIED. From what I've heard there are 2 wedding ceremonies, the first one gets interrupted.

I understand that using Sue in Alicia's part is upsetting to the comic fan, I truly understand that...but I'm not going to write off the movie because of it, I'll wait and see how it comes about and go from there.

Doom being able to steal the Surfer's power- a being with demi-god level power and even minus that from a race of being far advanced from Earth- gives me pause. Yes I know this happened in the comics and the story is a classic. But the circumstances were different in that story than what we have here. The Surfer had been weakend by Galactus and had a naivete that he didn't have when first arriving on Earth.

I have no idea how Galactus' as a "presence" is going to come off in the movie. I love the idea of Doom stealing the SS' powers and I'm looking forward to see how this plays out.

Of course I can't make a final judgement yet but I'm seeing nothing yet to think that things have gotten any better.

It has been my observation that people on these boards can talk themselves into just about anything. Many talked themselves into "hating" the first movie and did so, soooooo much that there was no way they were going to see any good in it. On the other end of the spectrum, you had those that were so fanatically positive about it that they had bliders on as they watched it and until they heard over and over and over about the editing...."ALL OF THE SUDDEN" they saw that as a problem as well, but would fight with "anyone" and "everyone" about how it was a great movie, knowing fool well that it wasn't a great movie. Enjoyable sure, even I enjoyed it, good? to some yes, great....not in any stretch of the word, IMO. So, for me, waiting is the alternative I choose, and I will give my opinion "good or bad" after I've seen it. I understand speculation beforehand in comparing it to the comic, thats going to happen. But I will go in as a moviegoer with some history, but I will judge it on its merits as a movie, not how closely it resembles the comics of the past. I know that some will, and that is perfectly fine.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

That's not really an excuse though. If Fox doesnt have the budget to properly translate this story to the big screen, then there are a host of OTHER storylines then could have adapted. Puppet Master or Mad Thinker, or Red Ghost for example...

Fox needs to make up it's mind and decide if they want FF to be a major superhero flick along the lines of Spider-Man, or just another average one like Daredevil.

Agreed. They didn't have to take it there with Silver Surfer. In my opinion, they should have rectified the problems they created with their version of Dr. Doom, put him in Latveria and build from there. They brought the Surfer in because they knew that the Four and Doom by themselves would simply not be enough this time. They needed bait for their fishhook...and the bait needed to be shiny.

Now, don't get me wrong--I'm looking forward to seeing the great Silver One on The Silver Screen. But they've got to come with it ALL THE WAY. The origin film is considered to be unforgivable by some people, but if this sequel doesn't hit there is no way it will fly.

I sometimes feel like the studio wants the allure of a Spider-Manesque franchise without putting the muscle, $$$, creativity and forethought into making it happen. I mean look at how highly Sony thinks of their franchise--and all the resources they invest in it years out from release. It's their pride and joy and they continue to reap dividends for their hardwork. In contrast, Fox likes to throw money at something, give it six months to shoot, market the crap out of it and then cross their fingers hoping it will sell. And the results speak for themselves...hits and misses. I find it interesting that every one of FOX's comic book films in recent years have been terrible critical bombs--they've cheaply scraped by with missing actors, prized directors and made other poor decisions with casting and script-writing and Elektra, Daredevil, FF1, X3 have all suffered the consequences for continuing to use this "formula".

And yet they refuse to adjust their processes to FIX this trend. That frustrates me.

Thanks to savvy marketing, FF1 barely worked last time. People will not be duped again.

 

[Malus]

really? Okay- minus the lack of budget- how was Corman's film worse than Story's (oh and not casting Alba doesn't count ).

The Corman film is wooden and amateurish. Rebecca Staab was good as Sue (at least as good as Alba) as was the guy playing Johnny, but everyone else was just awful.
Morphing the Mole Man into "The Jeweler", again awful.
Dr. Doom's muffled dialogue and terrycloth hood and cape, awful.
Doom's cartoonishly effeminate henchman/doctor giving Reed his syringe and saying "Here; (pout) draw your own blood." - Awful.
And I won't go into the terrible costuming and FX, since those can be (presumably) be blamed on the $42 budget.
But I'll never forget reading the article in Film Threat back in '92 about the production, and the picture of the grinning wardrobe guy holding up those embarrassing FF suits - Sue's "4" was actually tucked under her belt!
Awful, awful, awful.

Fox's first FF film has many, many flaws, but it's nowhere near the not-even-laughable cheese-fest of the Corman film.
Flaws and all, FF1 is a real movie, one that millions watched and enjoyed, even if it wasn't the LOTR calibre blockbuster we'd all hoped it would be.
But I've met very few fans who could even sit all the way through Corman's film. Including me. I had to watch it in painful sections.

Fox's FF1 is at least watchable.
Corman's FF wouldn't even make decent fodder for Mystery Science Theater 3000.

In my opinion.

 

[Hunter Rider]

That's not really an excuse though. If Fox doesnt have the budget to properly translate this story to the big screen, then there are a host of OTHER storylines then could have adapted. Puppet Master or Mad Thinker, or Red Ghost for example...

To be frank if i was the studio i wouldn't even entertain the idea of using any of those villains,SS was the natural story and character to use and i can see why they did

Fox needs to make up it's mind and decide if they want FF to be a major superhero flick along the lines of Spider-Man, or just another average one like Daredevil.

I think the are looking for a middle ground

 

[Kelly]

The Corman film is wooden and amateurish. Rebecca Staab was good as Sue (at least as good as Alba) as was the guy playing Johnny, but everyone else was just awful.
Morphing the Mole Man into "The Jeweler", again awful.
Dr. Doom's muffled dialogue and terrycloth hood and cape, awful.
Doom's cartoonishly effeminate henchman/doctor giving Reed his syringe and saying "Here; (pout) draw your own blood." - Awful.
And I won't go into the terrible costuming and FX, since those can be (presumably) be blamed on the $42 budget.
But I'll never forget reading the article in Film Threat back in '92 about the production, and the picture of the grinning wardrobe guy holding up those embarrassing FF suits - Sue's "4" was actually tucked under her belt!
Awful, awful, awful.

Fox's first FF film has many, many flaws, but it's nowhere near the not-even-laughable cheese-fest of the Corman film.
Flaws and all, FF1 is a real movie, one that millions watched and enjoyed, even if it wasn't the LOTR calibre blockbuster we'd all hoped it would be.
But I've met very few fans who could even sit all the way through Corman's film. Including me. I had to watch it in painful sections.

Fox's FF1 is at least watchable.
Corman's FF wouldn't even make decent fodder for Mystery Science Theater 3000.

In my opinion.

I would love to watch Corman's film with.....dang what's the guys name, he's a movie critic and has a robot watching with him??????? what is that....I've only seen it a couple of times, but it would be funny.....is that Mystery Science theatre?????

 

[Storm22]

I'd hardly put X3 and to an extent FF in the same league as Elektra and Daredevil LS.

 

[Malus]

I would love to watch Corman's film with.....dang what's the guys name, he's a movie critic and has a robot watching with him??????? what is that....I've only seen it a couple of times, but it would be funny.....is that Mystery Science theatre?????

MST3K started out with Joel (and robots Tom Servo and Crow) then Joel checked out after a few years and longtime writer/actor Mike stepped in.
I'm sure there's tons of clips on YouTube.
In fact there's over 2,000:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MST3k

Ironically, I think FF1 would make a great MST3K selection.
Just the dalmation covering his eyes...great stuff!

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

To be frank if i was the studio i wouldn't even entertain the idea of using any of those villains,SS was the natural story and character to use and i can see why they did

Oh, i KNOW why they did. (Read Cal's last post up above, and add on the fact that Fox is looking to launch ANOTHER franchise from this one)...but imo, that still doesnt excuse them running with it regardless, if they dont want to invest the proper funding.

To quote a certain swamp-dwelling wizard: "Either do, or do NOT. there is no try".

 

[wobbly]

Ok, how the hell can you have a 'finite' first appearance of the Silver Surfer film without showing us Galactus?

So his "presence is felt" but from what Gruffodd says he has no form in this movie?...Damn, that's even more lame than having a swarm of AI techno -bugs...a least that is something to look at...what are we gonna get here then? A flashy looking cloud or something?

Jeez, after that decent teaser my expectations for this film just bottomed out big-time. Looks like they learned nothing from the errors made in the first (the biggest being in making that film a class 101 in how to royally screw up the villain)

 

[Dragon]

1. Casting
2. Writing
3. Came off more as a joke than as a movie for the big screen.

All of those complaints were made about Story's film as well. And please. You KNOW a 4 million dollar movie wasn't even going to the big screen. It was only made for licensing purposes.

That hasn't changed from my first post, Reed, and Johnny were poorly cast in my opinion for reasons that I can't give here....lol as far as Ben, yeah he was ok....Sue as I said was a plus for the movie, but not enough for me to actually think it was an actual movie.... and as I said, to give my full opinion, I promise you, if I gave some of the quotes from the people and myself that watched it I would be put on probation.

Come now. You're a teacher. I would think your command of the English language would allow you to describe the shortcomings of the actors without resorting to gutter language (You can PM with the gutter language; love the dirty talk baby ).

I agree, but your response, to me, came off as it must be written for the comic fan, or "if it was written" for the comic fan it would have been more epic. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, but I certainly can understand your side.

Well, what I meant in my response was that these films haven't made use of the full potential of the source material. I didn't mean that it should be written for comic fans- for example, were I writing the FF vs. Galactus, there'd be huge departures from FF #48-50, such as showing Galactus' origin (In order to learn how to beat him) and not making his defeat simply about tossing the Ultimate Nullifier in his face. I think the overall appraoch to the story I'd take would be, that the story is about mankind being judged, and the FF's victory being about mankind's worthiness being reaffirmed.

Yes, I must say that in the beginning when it sounded to me like, less of a love triangle, and more of Sue simply seeing a "passionate" side of the SS, rather than a villain, and the others seeing him as a villain, IF it comes off as that, I'm more than ok with that aspect. BUT from what Ioan has said, it does, indeed, sound more like a love triangle, and I'm not ok with that. Who's to say they will actually GET MARRIED. From what I've heard there are 2 wedding ceremonies, the first one gets interrupted.

It doesn't matter whether they actually get married or not. What matters is that Sue has made a commitment to Reed. And the idea of her being interested in the Surfer at all romantically suggests that she's kinda ****ty and only going for the new guy. She dumps Doom for Reed, and she considers moving from Reed to the Surfer. I would hope they aren't taking it in that direction, but the fact that it's brought up at all says they're keeping Sue in the same place. God forbid the use Namor in the third film

I understand that using Sue in Alicia's part is upsetting to the comic fan, I truly understand that...but I'm not going to write off the movie because of it, I'll wait and see how it comes about and go from there.

Again- I don't care that Alicia was used in the comics. It's purely about what's best for the story. Sue is part of the team, and should be banded with them in that capacity. Alicia, powerless to assist in an offensive way helps in her own way- which is to represent humanity for the Surfer. Also, Ben being threatened by the Surfer is a stronger dramatic premise than Reed- AGAIN.

I have no idea how Galactus' as a "presence" is going to come off in the movie. I love the idea of Doom stealing the SS' powers and I'm looking forward to see how this plays out.

To hell with Galactus' presence. Galactus is the main antagonist. The Surfer, however powerful he is, is his servant. The Surfer later became a fascinating character in his Christ-like state of being cast among a hateful humanity that he was trying to save. That will clearly not be the case in this story, so I'm really wondering how he'll be handled here. Again- the Doom thing is going to take some skillful handling. But we'll see what happens.

It has been my observation that people on these boards can talk themselves into just about anything. Many talked themselves into "hating" the first movie and did so, soooooo much that there was no way they were going to see any good in it. On the other end of the spectrum, you had those that were so fanatically positive about it that they had bliders on as they watched it and until they heard over and over and over about the editing...."ALL OF THE SUDDEN" they saw that as a problem as well, but would fight with "anyone" and "everyone" about how it was a great movie, knowing fool well that it wasn't a great movie. Enjoyable sure, even I enjoyed it, good? to some yes, great....not in any stretch of the word, IMO. So, for me, waiting is the alternative I choose, and I will give my opinion "good or bad" after I've seen it. I understand speculation beforehand in comparing it to the comic, thats going to happen. But I will go in as a moviegoer with some history, but I will judge it on its merits as a movie, not how closely it resembles the comics of the past. I know that some will, and that is perfectly fine.

I think you're oversimplifying things here. First, I don't know of anyone who "talked themselves into hating the first film". I certainly didn't. I personally measured each release of info on its own merits. If something looked good, I was fine with it (The early effects tests, the Torch's flaming effect, the look of the Thing and I suppose the overall execution of the FF's powers). The bad stuff was also clear (The script, concepts, alot of the acting and character development). And I certainly went into the movie, as with every movie open to what I saw. I've gone into many a film with reservations based on promotional material. E.G I thought the first Diehard was going to suck, until the story unfolded. And walked out loving the film.

Bottomline is, people are going to like what they like. To this day I'm still puzzled over the folks who think The Hulk was a good movie. But they do.

As for the FF film it wasn't just a question of editing. The concepts were bad as well. Focusing so much on Johnny when nothing was really done with him was a bad concept. Making Doom a Norman Osborn ripoff was a bad concept. Making Doom organic was a mistake. Making Reed a perpetual failure was a mistake. Having Sue date Doom was a mistake.

I was also displeased with alot of the early reports from Spidey 1 and Spidey 3, but as more unfolded the films looked better to me, and now I'm very excited about 3. Early stuff from Ghost Rider looked good, but I'm beginning to grow hesitant as they release more. The scene with the girl being interviewed by Eva Mendes concerns me. She just saw a vision from Hell, and instead of being scared or at least shaken, moved and wondering about the reality of things, she's having a geekgasm. And considering this is the same guy who screwed up Daredevil, I'm now wary.

Again, we'll just have to see what happens.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am looking at it like at least they won't screw him up in this one. I mean, they did screw up Doom in FF, so my confidence in them handling a character like Galactus was extremely small. I think the Doom and Surfer story can carry the movie well enough. Plus, after seeing them battle Galactus, watching them face the Pupper Master or someone like that seems like a major step down. I am not upset by Galactus not appearing at all. In fact, I think there is more a chance he will be done right later (in the SS series, since that should be much more fantasy based).

The love trianlge is formulaic and stupid, and I hope it doesn't go very far. I hate how every movie needs a love triangle in this day and age. It is stupid.

Overall, I don't think this movie is doomed yet. This news hasn't killed anything for me. I still have to hear more on Doom and see some footage before I get that mentality.

 

[Malus]

Haha - Turns out somebody out there actually did their own MST3K-style treatment of Corman's FF -a particularly painful 4 minutes from the legendary crapfest.
Ignore the amateur quips, and you can still breathe in the putrid stench that was Corman's FF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSwHaDT7PQY

A very adult Reed being swooned over by a 13-year old Susan...Yecch!
And then there's Susan's pathetic "He's dreamy."
Awful, awful, awful.

 

[Kelly]

All of those complaints were made about Story's film as well. And please. You KNOW a 4 million dollar movie wasn't even going to the big screen. It was only made for licensing purposes.

At the time I did not know what the hell the movie was....it was given to me as a joke to watch....and that is what it turned out to be....

Come now. You're a teacher. I would think your command of the English language would allow you to describe the shortcomings of the actors without resorting to gutter language (You can PM with the gutter language; love the dirty talk baby ).

The language I would be using is not necessarily gutter language, but is, to some, politically incorrect and is not allowed here....I would simply be quoting, but still it is not allowed....

Well, what I meant in my response was that these films haven't made use of the full potential of the source material. I didn't mean that it should be written for comic fans- for example, were I writing the FF vs. Galactus, there'd be huge departures from FF #48-50, such as showing Galactus' origin (In order to learn how to beat him) and not making his defeat simply about tossing the Ultimate Nullifier in his face. I think the overall appraoch to the story I'd take would be, that the story is about mankind being judged, and the FF's victory being about mankind's worthiness being reaffirmed.

ok?????

It doesn't matter whether they actually get married or not. What matters is that Sue has made a commitment to Reed. And the idea of her being interested in the Surfer at all romantically suggests that she's kinda ****ty and only going for the new guy. She dumps Doom for Reed, and she considers moving from Reed to the Surfer. I would hope they aren't taking it in that direction, but the fact that it's brought up at all says they're keeping Sue in the same place. God forbid the use Namor in the third film

She was never with Doom, it was never shown in the movie, and Sue herself said that she was never with Doom. The only one in my group that even mentioned the word triangle in the discussion was me, and no one else even thought of that....I knew it because it was discussed here and in some articles...That was not a love triangle in any sense of the term.

And, even though I'm not happy with this either, it looks like the jealousy is from Reed's point of view (according to Ioan), and we probably will not see ANYTHING from Sue other than she spends time with the SS and Reed reads more into it than is really there....

The term "****ty" should be held for those that "sleep around" with several...damn if we go by your definition, the Sue is a **** and the comic proves it.....

****--Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sluht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a dirty, slovenly woman.
2. an immoral or dissolute woman; prostitute.

****·ty--Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sluht-ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective, -ti·er, -ti·est. of, resembling, or characteristic of a ****: ****ty behavior.


I must have missed that part of the movie...lol

Again- I don't care that Alicia was used in the comics. It's purely about what's best for the story. Sue is part of the team, and should be banded with them in that capacity. Alicia, powerless to assist in an offensive way helps in her own way- which is to represent humanity for the Surfer. Also, Ben being threatened by the Surfer is a stronger dramatic premise than Reed- AGAIN.



To hell with Galactus' presence. Galactus is the main antagonist. The Surfer, however powerful he is, is his servant. The Surfer later became a fascinating character in his Christ-like state of being cast among a hateful humanity that he was trying to save. That will clearly not be the case in this story, so I'm really wondering how he'll be handled here. Again- the Doom thing is going to take some skillful handling. But we'll see what happens.



I think you're oversimplifying things here. First, I don't know of anyone who "talked themselves into hating the first film". I certainly didn't. I personally measured each release of info on its own merits. If something looked good, I was fine with it (The early effects tests, the Torch's flaming effect, the look of the Thing and I suppose the overall execution of the FF's powers). The bad stuff was also clear (The script, concepts, alot of the acting and character development). And I certainly went into the movie, as with every movie open to what I saw. I've gone into many a film with reservations based on promotional material. E.G I thought the first Diehard was going to suck, until the story unfolded. And walked out loving the film.

Bottomline is, people are going to like what they like. To this day I'm still puzzled over the folks who think The Hulk was a good movie. But they do.

As for the FF film it wasn't just a question of editing. The concepts were bad as well. Focusing so much on Johnny when nothing was really done with him was a bad concept. Making Doom a Norman Osborn ripoff was a bad concept. Making Doom organic was a mistake. Making Reed a perpetual failure was a mistake. Having Sue date Doom was a mistake.

I was also displeased with alot of the early reports from Spidey 1 and Spidey 3, but as more unfolded the films looked better to me, and now I'm very excited about 3. Early stuff from Ghost Rider looked good, but I'm beginning to grow hesitant as they release more. The scene with the girl being interviewed by Eva Mendes concerns me. She just saw a vision from Hell, and instead of being scared or at least shaken, moved and wondering about the reality of things, she's having a geekgasm. And considering this is the same guy who screwed up Daredevil, I'm now wary.

Again, we'll just have to see what happens.

As far as the rest.....ok...not really following those movies....but again, when did they date....the only time they were together was at a restaurant, and that was cut, and as far as Sue was concerned it was hardly a date. Just because he felt he could ask her to marry him, was extremely presumptuous on his part and her reaction in word and facial reaction was one of "NO" and why are you asking?.....
Again, never was a triangle, never was portrayed in the movie as a triangle....somewhat in the script, and to some in a few interviews....other than that....no triangle was found.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Ok, how the hell can you have a 'finite' first appearance of the Silver Surfer film without showing us Galactus?
Jeez, after that decent teaser my expectations for this film just bottomed out big-time. Looks like they learned nothing from the errors made in the first (the biggest being in making that film a class 101 in how to royally screw up the villain)

Same here, man.