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[Spider2099]

Is he going to be involved in the sequels?

 

[Team Andino]

The only things I believe officially announced is the new solo Spidey film in 2017 and his involvement before then in a MCU film. Both of which Feige is involved with. Everything else has yet to surface, though I'm sure they've been agreed on to a certain extent.

 

[Spider2099]

The only things I believe officially announced is the new solo Spidey film in 2017 and his involvement before then in a MCU film. Both of which Feige is involved with. Everything else has yet to surface, though I'm sure they've been agreed on to a certain extent.

Yeah, that's true. I mean based on the e-mails we know that the talks extended past a couple of films. I think they are only officially announcing things in the short term but we should probably expect to see Spider-Man in more MCU films and I bet Feige will help produce future Spider-Man films after the 2017 one.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Keep in mind that if these spin-offs do end up happening then they won't have anything to do with the TASM movies. I actually do want to see a Venom movies at some point. Spider-Man should fight the Sinister Six but I don't think they should get their own movie.

Yeah, I really don't know why people are concerned about the spinoffs at this point. It would be different if Sony were still continuing the Webbverse in one way or another, but that's just not the case.

A "delay" to me comes across as the spinoffs eventually being tied into the Spidey and MCU films.

 

[Sony23]

I simply don't like how messy this makes things for the MCU. Before this, it was clean and isolated.

Now, we have to worry about if this 2017 film will be in continuity or not. If it is, that means that a film doesn't have to be produced by Marvel Studios to be in the MCU. If it's not, then what does that mean for the Spider-Man that appears in Civil War, or the MCU-originated characters that will appear in the 2017 film.

I hate this deal.

I'm sort of right there with you. Ever since the announcement I've been of two minds about it. On one hand I'm very excited about Spidey appearing in the MCU and his interaction with other Marvel characters.

On the other, I'm concerned this is going to fracture the MCU with an external studio being involved and I don't really like that. Guess it depends on how much Marvel Studios is involved. This might be a Marvel Studios film with the Sony brand slapped next to it. Otherwise why would Sony run to Marvel in the first place? Unless Marvel has plans of their own and will attempt to buy out the rights down the line if these films are successful. Either way his inclusion is now permanent. Surprised Sony is taking the risk at all.

 

[Spider2099]

My guess is that although Sony has "final creative control," Marvel isn't going to allow them to do whatever they want. Feige is helping out with the main Spider-Man films and I think that he'll make sure it fits the MCU brand quite well. After that they just need good writers and filmmakers who take direction from Feige and come out with good movies. Let's not forget that the filmmakers are just as important as the studios!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

is there any documentation of sony cofinancing infnity wars? it's really hard to believe they're doing that if they're not getting anything out of it

 

[Spider2099]

I don't think so. But Sony would benefit from having Spider-Man in Infinity War because it could increase an interest in Spider-Man solo films afterwards.

Marvel benefits from Sony because they get to put Spider-Man in their movies. Sony benefits from Marvel because they get to advertise their character in MCU movies.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think so. But Sony would benefit from having Spider-Man in Infinity War because it could increase an interest in Spider-Man solo films afterwards.

absolutely. we've seen that with iron man 3, thor 2 and cap 2. BUT, sony wouldn't benefit from investing in something in which they won't get any return. that fact doesn't change. unless, disney is cofinancing the spiderman reboot. that's the only way it makes sense. but even then, avengers 3 is two films - unless they share a budget, it then still does not make sense.

 

[Spider2099]

I don't think Sony is financing Avengers 3 as of now. I think Sony is only financing and receiving profit from Spider-Man movies and Marvel is financing and receiving profit from MCU films.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think Sony is financing Avengers 3 as of now. I think Sony is only financing and receiving profit from Spider-Man movies and Marvel is financing and receiving profit from MCU films.

this guy's post gave me the impression that sony is cofinancing avengers 3 even though the deal specifies that neither studio will get anything from the other's movies

 

[Spider2099]

Well it's certainly a possibility that Sony will co-finance it but we won't know for sure.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well it's certainly a possibility that Sony will co-finance it but we won't know for sure.

Okay but that's what I don't understand. If Sony is helping to make a movie, why aren't they getting anything from it? Don't you see how this doesn't make sense? If they cofinance it than the film is partially theirs.

This only would make sense if DISNEY is cofinancing the 2017 reboot. Otherwise sony is paying more, and getting less in return.

 

[Spider2099]

Sony isn't really helping Marvel making Avengers 3. They would just be letting Spider-Man appear in it and letting Marvel do the work on that film.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sony isn't really helping Marvel making Avengers 3. They would just be letting Spider-Man appear in it and letting Marvel do the work on that film.

that much has been established. it's the "cofinancing" business I'm iffy about.

 

[Spider2099]

I don't think there has been any indication of Sony cofinancing Avengers 3.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think there has been any indication of Sony cofinancing Avengers 3.

aaaight. now it all makes a little more sense, but my original point still stands that this is still kind of a gamble for sony. and i'm hoping for the best

 

[Spider2099]

It's a gamble for sony if they don't listen to Marvel.

 

[NI-Gunner]

I don't think money will be exchanged between Marvel/Sony minus a % of each venture ie. Marvel take x% cut of profits from solo Spidey movies, and Sony take a x% cut of any 'Avengers' movies Spidey appears in, not including cameos or small parts.

Sony benefit because they finally have a guaranteed hit, or as close to a guarantee as possible given Marvel's track record.

Marvel benefit because they bring one of their most beloved characters back into the MCU.

Everyone's happy.

Purely conjecture on my part but I imagine it's mostly something like that with various other incentives and clauses.

PS. I highly doubt this'll be a short-term thing. I doubt Feige would agree to this, get him back in the MCU for an appearance or two, then have him disappear again. As long as the solo Spidey movies, starting in 2017 are successful then it'll continue IMO.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It was specifically stated that neither studio gets any direct monetary benefit from this arrangement either now or in the future.

 

[Spider2099]

And if the 2017 film is not successful they will probably just rethink their strategy and try again for the sequel. Or perhaps Spider-Man will be downgraded to a supporting character. What do you think? Otherwise I think Spider-Man will be in Infinity War.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I could be wrong, but this is how the situation looks to me:

Marvel wanted to use Spider-Man, particularly for Civil War, but they didn't want to use Amazing Spider-Man version/continuity.

Sony saw the lukewarm reception to their franchise and wanted to turn around their fortunes.

The solution was to make this deal.

Marvel gets to use Spider-Man in their movie (presumably Civil War) and they get to use him for free.

In return, Feige & Co. help Sony right the ship, again for free. They help give direction for Spider-Man, using the Marvel "golden touch," for lack of a better term. Plus it is assumed that Spidey will now get a boost in popularity by connecting it with the MCU.

Now it could be as basic as that. Marvel got to use Spidey for its film and Sony now has a revitalized franchise. Sony then continues making new Spider-Man films with this new direction. Hopefully they learn a thing or two from Marvel and the director in charge of the franchise is put in place by Marvel's suggestion and knows what he is doing. Then Marvel may have to make future deals for using Spidey in future MCU films (or TV shows).

Granted, that's not what we want, because it doesn't guarantee that Sony will not interfere again or start having ideas down the line that don't mesh with Marvel's vision.

My hope, barring Marvel regaining the rights or Disney buying Sony, which could be ultimate goals, is for Sony to learn from Marvel and set up a good working relationship in which they come to mutual decisions to keep the the franchises running smoothly. And from history, I'd say it should defer more toward the Marvel way.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's in Sony's best interests to keep this arrangement going in perpetuity, but the current parameters of it do not specify a continuing direct creative involvement for Feige/Marvel Studios beyond the 2017 Spidey film, and Sony is not under any obligation - according to the parameters of the current deal - to extend that direct creative involvement beyond that film.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's a gamble for sony if they don't listen to Marvel.

sm2 was critically acclaimed, but the lowest grossing spiderman film in the raimi series.

I don't think money will be exchanged between Marvel/Sony minus a % of each venture ie. Marvel take x% cut of profits from solo Spidey movies, and Sony take a x% cut of any 'Avengers' movies Spidey appears in, not including cameos or small parts.

Sony benefit because they finally have a guaranteed hit, or as close to a guarantee as possible given Marvel's track record.

Marvel benefit because they bring one of their most beloved characters back into the MCU.

Everyone's happy.

Purely conjecture on my part but I imagine it's mostly something like that with various other incentives and clauses.

PS. I highly doubt this'll be a short-term thing. I doubt Feige would agree to this, get him back in the MCU for an appearance or two, then have him disappear again. As long as the solo Spidey movies, starting in 2017 are successful then it'll continue IMO.

as digific writer said, the deal specifically states no studio makes money from the other's movies.

And if the 2017 film is not successful they will probably just rethink their strategy and try again for the sequel. Or perhaps Spider-Man will be downgraded to a supporting character. What do you think? Otherwise I think Spider-Man will be in Infinity War.

spiderman's gonna be in the infinity wars no matter what, and hell no they can't degrade him to a supporting character!

I could be wrong, but this is how the situation looks to me:

Marvel wanted to use Spider-Man, particularly for Civil War, but they didn't want to use Amazing Spider-Man version/continuity.

Sony saw the lukewarm reception to their franchise and wanted to turn around their fortunes.

The solution was to make this deal.

Marvel gets to use Spider-Man in their movie (presumably Civil War) and they get to use him for free.

In return, Feige & Co. help Sony right the ship, again for free. They help give direction for Spider-Man, using the Marvel "golden touch," for lack of a better term. Plus it is assumed that Spidey will now get a boost in popularity by connecting it with the MCU.

Now it could be as basic as that. Marvel got to use Spidey for its film and Sony now has a revitalized franchise. Sony then continues making new Spider-Man films with this new direction. Hopefully they learn a thing or two from Marvel and the director in charge of the franchise is put in place by Marvel's suggestion and knows what he is doing. Then Marvel may have to make future deals for using Spidey in future MCU films (or TV shows).

Granted, that's not what we want, because it doesn't guarantee that Sony will not interfere again or start having ideas down the line that don't mesh with Marvel's vision.

My hope, barring Marvel regaining the rights or Disney buying Sony, which could be ultimate goals, is for Sony to learn from Marvel and set up a good working relationship in which they come to mutual decisions to keep the the franchises running smoothly. And from history, I'd say it should defer more toward the Marvel way.

is there any indication that the deal will expire after avengers 3?

It's in Sony's best interests to keep this arrangement going in perpetuity, but the current parameters of it do not specify a continuing direct creative involvement for Feige/Marvel Studios beyond the 2017 Spidey film, and Sony is not under any obligation - according to the parameters of the current deal - to extend that direct creative involvement beyond that film.

again I have to ask - has there been any indication that the deal will expire after 2018? if this is the spiderman sony will be using from here on out, it doesn't make sense for them to separate from the mcu after phase 3.

 

[DigificWriter]

has there been any indication that the deal will expire after 2018?

Not directly, no, but the current parameters of the deal as we know them to be do not specify that this is an indefinite arrangement.

I fully believe that the deal won't expire, but there's nothing concretely inherent in the terms of the deal as we know them to be that says that it won't.

There's a lot of inference going on re: what the deal's actual terms mean beyond what we know them to mean, and I think that's incredibly premature.