All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

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I dislike many movies and there are many actors who give a bad performance but I don't go over to threads of those movies bashing them on a regular basis, in case on BvS, it has been 11 months and some people who disliked the movie are still bashing it, it's one thing to say that the movie sucked few times after watching the movie in a theater, but to continue the negativity after almost a year is asinine.

BvS is a part of DCEU. I promise you 90% of professional critics will bring it up when reviewing Wonder Woman and Justice League and probably other CBM too. There's absolutely no reason why they shouldn't.
 
I feel some reviewers use comparisons not really to deliver a point, but to throw another stone. For example:
Richard Roeper: I'll take Lively Plastic Animation over Wooden Live Action any day.
There was absolutely zero need to bring the referenced film to highlight the author's experience. Even if there's some truth to his opinion.
 
I dislike many movies and there are many actors who give a bad performance but I don't go over to threads of those movies bashing them on a regular basis, in case of BvS, it has been 11 months and some people who disliked the movie are still bashing it, it's one thing to say that the movie sucked few times after watching the movie in a theater, but to continue the negativity after almost a year is asinine.
Don't measure others by your own standards. If people have a right to express their love towards something, so do people, who were left disappointed. If done in a civil manner. After all, it's a discussion board, not a fan forum, even though it's inhabited mostly by fans of all these characters.
 
I dislike many movies and there are many actors who give a bad performance but I don't go over to threads of those movies bashing them on a regular basis, in case of BvS, it has been 11 months and some people who disliked the movie are still bashing it, it's one thing to say that the movie sucked few times after watching the movie in a theater, but to continue the negativity after almost a year is asinine.

I think it's great that people have differing opinions. What I do not like though is people bringing up the same things over and over again. Add to that some (not all) the people who dislike the DCEU are quick to jump onto any positive discussion and turn it into some sort of slanging match. I do think some (again not all) get a kick out of been negative about the films and that is what I can't get my head around.
 
I feel some reviewers use comparisons not really to deliver a point, but to throw another stone. For example:

There was absolutely zero need to bring the referenced film to highlight the author's experience. Even if there's some truth to his opinion.

Exactly my point. If you are bringing another movie up movie up for constructive analysis, sure go ahead. If you are just using to to take shots and get clicks thats just...

some examples here. I am pretty sure they dont fall under the category of "constructive analysis".

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Exactly my point. If you are bringing another movie up movie up for constructive analysis, sure go ahead. If you are just using to to take shots and get clicks thats just...

some examples here. I am pretty sure they dont fall under the category of "constructive analysis" :

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The Keisha one there is the worse cause that reviewet obviously has prejudice on who Batman is and should be. Reminds me of the Christopher Reeve fans who can't let go of his interpretation (I love Reeve for the record). Not every interpretation is exactly the same and neither should they be. Just because it doesn't fit with that version in someone's mind does not bean it isn't the character.
 
The Keisha one there is the worse cause that reviewet obviously has prejudice on who Batman is and should be. Reminds me of the Christopher Reeve fans who can't let go of his interpretation (I love Reeve for the record). Not every interpretation is exactly the same and neither should they be. Just because it doesn't fit with that version in someone's mind does not bean it isn't the character.

We have professional people writing this :

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We have professional critics who directly say stuff like they will never give Zack Snyder a good review(and thats because of the rape scene in Watchmen wtf?). I found reviews for Lego Batman that were already trash talking JL. Then we have people who distil down their review of the Lego Batman movie down to this. Are they talking about Lego Batman? No. Are they talking about Lego Movies? No. Are they talking about the DCEU? No. Are they talking about Batman? NO. Are they talking about DC in general? No. There tldr of the review of the Lego Batman movie is this :

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SO I am supposed to believe some of these critics really going to be 100% objective and un-biased while writing their reviews if they already are predisposed. Okay.
 
It's an issue for me, I'm not saying this because BvS got negative reviews, when I read a review, I want the reviewer to analyze it without bringing in a movie that was released before to make a point, if the reviewer is unable to do so, then it's the reviewer who is failing to present his arguments logically based on the merits of the movie being reviewed.

Bringing up another movie as a comparison to make a point about the movie's merit, or lackthereof, is completely valid. There is no failure there. It's like using an analogy to make a point.

I didn't know reviewers were beholden to these arbitrary rules. I don't care if they bring up Battlefield Earth if it helps make their point.

Seriously? I review movies, just did one for Handmaiden and compared it to many Oscar movies this year to highlight I found it to be much better than those. I also compared it to older movies of its director. Comparing movies is something people do all the time. Just because someone writes for example about Black Swan and compares it to Repulsion because of the many thematic links is not a flaw at all. On contrary - the reader who saw the films the reviewer compares another one to can decide whether or not the movie being reviewed is worth his/her while.

This is a pretty normal thing in movie reviews. If there's a big space movie coming out, it's inevitably compared to (depending on what style of space movie) either Star Wars or 2001: A Space Odyssey. Hacksaw Ridge brought about some Saving Private Ryan comparisons etc.

I know it must be a pain to see a review for an upcoming movie where a movie you already love gets pooped on, but it's not unprofessional, nor is it some failure of film criticism.

Exactly.
 
We have professional people writing this :

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We have professional critics who directly say stuff like they will never give Zack Snyder a good review(and thats because of the rape scene in Watchmen wtf?). I found reviews for Lego Batman that were already trash talking JL. Then we have people who distil down their review of the Lego Batman movie down to this. Are they talking about Lego Batman? No. Are they talking about Lego Movies? No. Are they talking about the DCEU? No. Are they talking about Batman? NO. Are they talking about DC in general? No. There tldr of the review of the Lego Batman movie is this :

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SO I am supposed to believe some of these critics really going to be 100% objective and un-biased while writing their reviews if they already are predisposed. Okay.

Exactly, people can say what they want but there is a definite bias in the media. They might be doing it simply to get hits rather than an actual malicious intent but it's still there.

It's like that rigged poll at comicbook.com recently. It's been proven that BvS won by a landslide but the editor said that CW won the poll.
 
Exactly, people can say what they want but there is a definite bias in the media. They might be doing it simply to get hits rather than an actual malicious intent but it's still there.

It's like that rigged poll at comicbook.com recently. It's been proven that BvS won by a landslide but the editor said that CW won the poll.

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I mean its so ****ing sad. If you dont like the poll result, just put make your favourite one win? Thats cool bruh. The problem here isnt that something inconsequential happened in a random poll. Its that the media has a narrative which is probably fuelled by a need to get clicks and some bias(remember that Zack Snyder ruined Starwars by posting a mashup video thing? LOL).
 
We have professional people writing this :

We have professional critics who directly say stuff like they will never give Zack Snyder a good review(and thats because of the rape scene in Watchmen wtf?). I found reviews for Lego Batman that were already trash talking JL. Then we have people who distil down their review of the Lego Batman movie down to this. Are they talking about Lego Batman? No. Are they talking about Lego Movies? No. Are they talking about the DCEU? No. Are they talking about Batman? NO. Are they talking about DC in general? No. There tldr of the review of the Lego Batman movie is this :

SO I am supposed to believe some of these critics really going to be 100% objective and un-biased while writing their reviews if they already are predisposed. Okay.


Well that's not OK. I think Antichrist is the most reprehensible movie I ever seen but I still gave Melancholia 9/10. But those RT excerpts seem OK to me. The critics and other people have the right to be biased because for many people DCEU is 0 out of 3 when it comes to making good movies. So if there is a Batman movie that is good and fun they bring BvS saying 'finally Batman fans, here's something good for you'. They also have the every right to assume JL will be bad. Hell I do, I was burnt 3 times. At that point DCEU movie being awful is the default but I'd be thrilled to be pleasantly surprised.

Professional critics are just movie fans simply getting paid for their writing. I remember majority of reviewers mentioning the size of Fassbender's penis in Shame reviews (and can anyone blame them?). Art is subjective too. So it's not like they shouldn't be allowed to have their biases or take digs at something they hate. Ebert did that too and he is probably the most respected critic in history.

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This is the term that should be reserved for that Bohemian Rhapsody cover. PurpleL was actually catchy imho.
 
Well that's not OK. I think Antichrist is the most reprehensible movie I ever seen but I still gave Melancholia 9/10. But those RT excerpts seem OK to me. The critics and other people have the right to be biased because for many people DCEU is 0 out of 3 when it comes to making good movies. So if there is a Batman movie that is good and fun they bring BvS saying 'finally Batman fans, here's something good for you'. They also have the every right to assume JL will be bad. Hell I do, I was burnt 3 times. At that point DCEU movie being awful is the default but I'd be thrilled to be pleasantly surprised.

Professional critics are just movie fans simply getting paid for their writing. I remember majority of reviewers mentioning the size of Fassbender's penis in Shame reviews (and can anyone blame them?). Art is subjective too. So it's not like they shouldn't be allowed to have their biases or take digs at something they hate. Ebert did that too and he is probably the most respected critic in history.



This is the term that should be reserved for that Bohemian Rhapsody cover. PurpleL was actually catchy imho.

That's the problem right there, Critics who feel they are doing the right thing by being biased and by assuming that next DC movie will bad, are doing disservice to the readers / moviegoers by being unprofessional.

Fans are different from Critics as critics get paid to write a review and they know their review will be read by millions, who will take their word for quality of the movie, when Critics give negative reviews (justified or not) they are setting up a narrative about quality of that movie. So, if they have biases towards a franchise/ directors/ production house, they are not going to wrire a fair review.

They should be open-minded and unbiased, otherwise their review is no different from what a fan-reviewer thinks.
 
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That's the problem right there, Critics who feel they are doing the right thing by being biased and by assuming that next DC movie will bad, are doing disservice to the readers / moviegoers by being unprofessional.

Fans are different from Critics as critics get paid to write a review and they know their review will be read by millions, who will take their word for quality of the movie, when Critics give negative reviews (justified or not) they are setting up a narrative about quality of that movie.

They're only people. Saying that you won't give a good review to someone's film ever because of a content of their previous movie is not professional. But everything else mentioned here imho isn't. And people should learn to think for themselves not just rely on what the critic thinks. And imho for Suicide Squad and BvS that 'narrative' was very much justified.
 
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You are not getting it. We are not saying "The media shouldnt do this because BvS was good". We are saying "The media shouldnt do this because its unprofessional". I dont think insulting the director of another movie while reviewing a seperate movie, and having that as your blurb for the review, is professional at all. Its just bad reporting. These reviewers have made the hate personal, they have used excessive hyperbole, from "These movies are the donald trump of movies" to "anybody who likes these should be ashamed of themselves" to "Why are you watching it we told you in our review to not do it". Thats the thing thats not right. We are not saying "This movie is bad and here is why" is wrong. There is no reason to drag BvS in Lego batman review, when thats the whole reason you are doing it, without any meaningful comparison. Just cheap shots. And thats what those RT blurbs are. Mark Hughes wrote a great article about it :

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...s-despite-medias-gloom-and-doom/#361ec37f6f4e

An excerpt :

"Suicide Squad is falling victim to this typical press scenario not only because of the all the usual factors coming into play against it, but also because of a sort of inertia that overtakes the press once a line of thought has been established. "Gore the exaggerator," the first U.S.-Iraq war when the media acted largely as cheerleaders for the White House, the McMartin Preschool abuse story and surrounding media hysteria, and many other examples exist of the press jumping onto hyperbolic or outright false bandwagon sentiments and hyping them for attention in order to attract viewers and increase revenue. It's not just common, it's a consistent aspect of modern mass media. There are entire press outlets dedicated to the pursuit of tabloid journalism, rumormongering, gossip, and muckraking.

Nobody informed about the press (note: I've worked as a political journalist, op-ed writer, news reporter, news program producer, and entertainment writer in print, radio, and online for many different outlets -- including national and worldwide -- on and off since the early 1990s) would seriously argue this isn't generally true, even if they might debate how widespread it tends to be. The point being, it not only happens but happens frequently enough we can point to multiple occurrences of major historic import within any several-year period. And it happens in less historic, more mundane ways on a far more frequent basis.

So it would be absurd and dishonest for anyone to pretend it doesn't happen in entertainment journalism. If news correspondents in a war zone can allow relationships, trade-offs, personal gain, bias against individuals or organizations, laziness, and various other factors to heavily influence their coverage, then yes certain movie reviewers or film bloggers or comic book fan sites can sometimes have less than 100% pure motivations when they put words to page.

This isn't about "bias," a favorite word tossed at film critics as if it's a terrible accusation. Bias means feeling personal animosity or favor towards someone/something. It isn't always defined as "unfair" or "unreasonable," but that's how most angry fans interpret the term when they use it as an accusation. For too many movie fans, any contrary opinion is "unreasonable" since it criticizes something the fan loves. The same people often don't mind at all when the bias works in their favor, when media and film reviewers are praising and promoting the movie the fan happens to like. So it becomes a situation where bias folks agree with isn't unreasonable, but bias they disagree with is unfair and unacceptable. "

Now if you think reviewers who wrote those RT blurbs werent being unprofessional, we just have to agree to disagree. Because in my mind, telling people to punch themselves just because you didnt like their movie is a bit extreme and unprofessional.
 
by assuming that next DC movie will bad, are doing disservice to the readers / moviegoers
why? The DCEU mad 3 horrible movies in a row, the assumption that not much will change in the near future is more than warranted. And to warn their readers that, again, they might not have a good time at the theatre is actually a service, considering the cost of tickets nowadays.

And there are also people who for whatever reason didn't see BvS or the other DCEU movies but are interested in a WW film or JL. To tell them, that what they will very likely get is probably not what they actually want (a good time, a decent movie as examples), again, is a service to the readers.

To compare BvS - the last movie with Batman in it - to the LEGO Batman movie is warranted. They feature the same title character. And those of the audience who didn't enjoy BvS (as in: the majority) and are therefore reluctant to see another film with Batman in it, fearing it might be the same pile of dung of what came last year, are very likely grateful for the information given them by the reviewer that the LEGO Batman movie is, unlike the DCEU movies, indeed a good film. That's a service to the readers.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the reviewers bias, but with giving his audience, the readers, crucial information they might want to know before they decide to go to the cinema. 'will this movie suck as much as...' is a legitimate question from the GA.
 
You are not getting it. We are not saying "The media shouldnt do this because BvS was good". We are saying "The media shouldnt do this because its unprofessional". I dont think insulting the director of another movie while reviewing a seperate movie, and having that as your blurb for the review, is professional at all. Its just bad reporting. These reviewers have made the hate personal, they have used excessive hyperbole, from "These movies are the donald trump of movies" to "anybody who likes these should be ashamed of themselves" to "Why are you watching it we told you in our review to not do it".

Which one of those blurbs insulted director? They aren't reporting, they are critiquing a movie. These people aren't doctors who have to follow the procedure based on rules etc. they are just people presenting their opinion about something. And for some reason someone happens to pay them for it.

Unprofessional would be saying Ghostbusters is the most hilarious movie ever because you are scared you're gonna be called misogynist if you say otherwise, or taking bribes for reviews, or lying in your review and saying you liked or didn't like something when it's the other way around for whatever reasons. Or lying that someone saw something but didn't and reviewed it without even seeing the movie. Being hyperbolic is just someone's style, if you don't like it, don't read that person's review.
 
Which one of those blurbs insulted director? They aren't reporting, they are critiquing a movie. These people aren't doctors who have to follow the procedure based on rules etc. they are just people presenting their opinion about something. And for some reason someone happens to pay them for it.

This one did :

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Then you had the CEO of RT saying that gem of a line.

Also if you think film criticism is just people who write their opinion, and dont have to adhere to rules of journalistic integrity, then maybe thats where we disagree.
 
This one did :

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Then you had the CEO of RT saying that gem of a line.

Also if you think film criticism is just people who write their opinion, and dont have to adhere to rules of journalistic integrity, then maybe thats where we disagree.

I'm equating journalistic integrity with a critic giving their honest opinion about a movie. You are equating journalistic integrity with going soft on movies and people responsible for them because the reader may be oversensitive. Zack Snyder imho should be ashamed. He was entrusted with a project like that and he failed people, including the cast and the fans. I don't think it's an insult at all.
 
You are equating journalistic integrity with going soft on movies.

There is a middle road, and its called being professional.



Zack Snyder imho should be ashamed. He was entrusted with a project like that and he failed people, including the cast and the fans. I don't think it's an insult at all

That well and fine and you are entitled to that opinion. But if someone asked you "Should I watch Lego Batman?"..Is the above quoted thing gonna be your response?

Exactly.
 
There is a middle road, and its called being professional.


That well and fine and you are entitled to that opinion. But if someone asked you "Should I watch Lego Batman?"..Is the above quoted thing gonna be your response?

Exactly.

No, that's called going soft. Being professional is doing what you are paid to do - giving your opinion on a movie you saw and writing a review of it for your readers to enjoy.

The above quote was a catchy blurb from the review, not someone's response to that question in a conversation.
 
No, that's called going soft. Being professional is doing what you are paid to do - giving your opinion on a movie you saw and writing a review of it for your readers to enjoy.

If you still think "giving your opinion" is all they are doing, then okay.

The above quote was a catchy blurb from the review, not someone's response to that question in a conversation.

It was how they wished to sum up their thoughts on Lego Batman.

Anyway, since this convo is going nowhere, I'll just drop this.
 
If you still think "giving your opinion" is all they are doing, then okay.



It was how they wished to sum up their thoughts on Lego Batman.

Anyway,since this convo is going nowhere, I'll just drop this.

I'm not surprised.
 
There is a middle road, and its called being professional.



That well and fine and you are entitled to that opinion. But if someone asked you "Should I watch Lego Batman?"..Is the above quoted thing gonna be your response?

Exactly.

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Zack Snyder imho should be ashamed. He was entrusted with a project like that and he failed people, including the cast and the fans. I don't think it's an insult at all.

I love how Snyder should be ashamed apparently even though many people loved both MOS and BvS. So if 50% are happy and 50% aren't a director should be ashamed cause 50% didn't like the film? So should he also be proud of the 50% that did like it? *

Critical reception was bad but wasn't the cinema scores good for both BvS and Suicide Squad? So shouldnt the directors be proud in that case? Since when are films made for critics to love aswell? Aren't they made for people to go and see? Regardless of whether BvS didn't make as much WBs wanted it was still a massive hit and that also includes Blu Ray/Digital sales etc. Suicide Squad was also a much bigger succes than anticipated. So people voted with their wallets.

(*Percentages here are not meant to be an accurate, I'm just making a point)
 
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