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This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]535463[/split]
I have no problem with Affleck as Batman circa BvS, as I still think his performance in BvS was very good (we can argue the content and how Batman was written...but Affleck did a good job with the material). But, Affleck also clearly didn't show up for JL (and it is PAINFULLY obvious). That is my current problem with Affleck as Batman. He sort of just mentally checked out, which is good for nobody. Say what we will about Cavill, but I always feel like he is doing his best and giving it his all (just focusing on the performance). I think that is what a true professional does: shows up and does their best even when they don't care. I get Affleck being unhappy, wanting out, all that. Still, you're a professional. Go out there and TRY! I am not asking for an academt award worthy effort every film. Even Tom Brady has a bad passing performance sometimes. But, I want to feel effort.
Actually Clark meeting the heartbroken family of the bat-branded guy who got killed in prison (unbeknownst to Clark it was a plot by lex and not because of batman's branding) was very significant. It showed Clark first hand the consequences of psycho batman's actions and allowed him to empathize with the young kid who lost his dad too early (like CK did with pa kent in that asinine tornado scene). All that served to explain why Superman was so pissed when he gave batman "the bat is dead" speech as opposed to the TC where it made it seem like Superman was pissed because....well because he's an emo superman. Overall the UC is an improvement over the abomination that was the TC (focused more on Superman and gave a better flow to the story) but not by that much or atleast not enough to make the movie an enjoyable experience, to me atleast.
Not to mention that Affleck is an Academy-award winning director and screenwriter. Even if the DCEU were a rousing success, I never saw him spending most of his time over the next decade making multiple appearances in a cape and cowl. Marvel lucked out with Downey being so willing and able to play ball over the past few years because I think most actors would have thrown the towel in a long time ago to pursue other projects, let alone someone with two Oscars on their mantle.
That's not a huge problem necessarily, but it clearly isn't someone you want playing your most profitable character. I never thought he'd stick around.
Yeah. It sucks that the kid was crying over losing his dad, but maybe don't have the guy be guilty of such a heinous crime if you want us to sympathize.That kid's dad was a human trafficker. Literally the scum of the Earth. Not saying it doesn't suck for that family, or that those methods weren't extreme, but that man was literally trafficking innocent victims to do god knows what.
You see Bruce Timm and Paul Dini knew how to do this. It was the flashback episode in The New Batman Adventures where we found out what caused the break-up of Dick and Bruce.Yeah. It sucks that the kid was crying over losing his dad, but maybe don't have the guy be guilty of such a heinous crime if you want us to sympathize.
"My husband trafficked innocent people for God only knows what purpose, and some would say that he got what was coming to him, but let's talk about how much of a monster Batman is."
I'm still sort of mystified why Affleck took this role. I mean after years and years, his career had finally recovered. Affleck was seen as this legitimate director and filmmaker now. He said he would never take a role like Daredevil ever again. And then this. Affleck was at a point in his career where he really didn't need to do things like Batman anymore.
Thats the only reason I was against Affleck as Batman from the start. Initially I thought it was a great idea because I was a fan of his and thought hed knock it out of the park, but then it dawned on me how shortsighted that is from a cinematic universe perspective.
I have no problem with Affleck as Batman circa BvS, as I still think his performance in BvS was very good (we can argue the content and how Batman was written...but Affleck did a good job with the material). But, Affleck also clearly didn't show up for JL (and it is PAINFULLY obvious). That is my current problem with Affleck as Batman. He sort of just mentally checked out, which is good for nobody. Say what we will about Cavill, but I always feel like he is doing his best and giving it his all (just focusing on the performance). I think that is what a true professional does: shows up and does their best even when they don't care. I get Affleck being unhappy, wanting out, all that. Still, you're a professional. Go out there and TRY! I am not asking for an academt award worthy effort every film. Even Tom Brady has a bad passing performance sometimes. But, I want to feel effort.
They made him older because Zack Snyder wanted Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns.I think a bit much is made of Batman being "old" in this franchise, in terms of how it actually affects the character. It's more about the events he's been through, the grind of crimefighting, and the impact it has had on his psyche.
Affleck's Batman was supposed to be what, 45ish? That's older, but he's not exactly elderly.
And this is Batman we're talking about, not a typical person. He's incredibly skilled at pretty much any age. He certainly doesn't seem to have lost much of a step physically in this franchise.
If the issue is that people wanted stories with a younger Batman...stories in a solo franchise could be/could easily be/have been set earlier, and Affleck could have fairly easily pulled that off for several more years. They didn't really limit themselves that much in terms of storytelling potential.