All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[2kt09]

No, Batfleck's logic. I was poking fun at LV for calling a children's parody / love letter a stupid version of the character, while Buttfleck being an "extension of the character is in line with the comics version." Lego Batman's universe is much better than anything in the DCEU.

I recall the logic being something like being scared straight and feeling powerless to not be able to have taken on something like that BZE + all his other demons catching up to him culminating into taking out all his frustrations onto this thing, this stranger from another world that he believes is nothing remotely like him.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

"There's this all powerful being that can wipe out the planet. I'm gonna fight it."

Ok, world's greatest detective.

 

[Jekecy]

"There's this all powerful being that can wipe out the planet. I'm gonna fight it."

Ok, world's greatest detective.

Considering he's aware and has been tracking the Kryptonite (something he knows to be the only lethal countermeasure to Supes) prior to engaging Supes, that assessment is unfair.

 

[blacksun77]

I hear rumor about Ben will leave DCEU, how could it be ?

 

[UltimatePyro9]

No, Batfleck's logic. I was poking fun at LV for calling a children's parody / love letter a stupid version of the character, while Buttfleck being an "extension of the character is in line with the comics version." Lego Batman's universe is much better than anything in the DCEU.

Even better, LEGO Batman actually went through a character arc. He grew as a character in the movie.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Even better, LEGO Batman actually went through a character arc. He grew as a character in the movie.

Stupid kids movies, ugh. #MakeBatmanKillAgain

 

[FunkMiller]

"There's this all powerful being that can wipe out the planet. I'm gonna fight it."

Ok, world's greatest detective.

A powerful being that was quite clearly responsible for saving the entire planet from General Zod, let's not forget.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

A powerful being that was quite clearly responsible for saving the entire planet from General Zod, let's not forget.

"But....muh aliens. Muh allegory for politics and religion." - Zack Snyder

 

[OutOfBoose]

A powerful being that was quite clearly responsible for saving the entire planet from General Zod, let's not forget.

Midlife crisis.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Stupid kids movies, ugh. #MakeBatmanKillAgain

In the midst of the colors and Wiggles-like antics, let's not forget that Batman referred to Grayson as "totally expendable" and let him risk his life. Nothing says "hero" like using a kid for fodder.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

In the midst of the colors and Wiggles-like antics, let's not forget that Batman referred to Grayson as "totally expendable" and let him risk his life. Nothing says "hero" like using a kid for fodder.

Yeah, because Batman has never risked the lives of his Robins constantly before

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yeah, because Batman has never risked the lives of his Robins constantly before

And he's been killing foes when necessary almost from the start in the comics.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Even better, LEGO Batman actually went through a character arc. He grew as a character in the movie.

And Affleck's Batman didn't?

 

[Kane52630]

The only arch he had was juvenile hatred towards Superman until he found out their moms shared the same first name.

 

[Boy Scout]

And he's been killing foes when necessary almost from the start in the comics.

Sigh. I hate that Zack Snyder has encouraged this epidemic of revisionist history that completely ignores the fact that Batman and Superman BOTH have been against killing for the vast majority of their almost 80 year histories.

 

[misslane38]

A powerful being that was quite clearly responsible for saving the entire planet from General Zod, let's not forget.

Bruce didn't forget it either. He clearly agrees with Alfred that Superman is not an enemy today. He clearly talks about good people, like Superman, who start out good and make promises to make the world a better place only to fail and fall. Batman fears what sort of chance he and the world would have against Superman if he has one bad day. He fears what will happen to the world with Superman changing the very nature of existence. He is seeing how Superman's good intentioned actions only seem to reverberate with equally if not more terrible and tragic fallout.

"But....muh aliens. Muh allegory for politics and religion." - Zack Snyder

What's so wrong with an allegorical story about politics and religion? Also, Batman's arc isn't about politics or religion. It's about PTSD.

Midlife crisis.

Nope. Bruce is suffering from PTSD.

The only arch he had was juvenile hatred towards Superman until he found out their moms shared the same first name.

Batman's arc follows the classic revenge tragedy structure. It is rich in themes about powerless, legacy, and most importantly mental illness. Batman's hatred of Superman was partially self-hatred. He projected his own feelings of impotence and guilt onto Superman. Bruce spent his whole life using the "beautiful lie" of Batman to "force the world to make sense" after his parents were murdered. The Black Zero Event put Bruce right back into the same place he was before he found Batman. He was in the dark. Bruce didn't just find out that Superman's mother was named Martha just like his own mother. Bruce learned that Martha needed to be saved. He heard Superman say, "You're letting him kill Martha." He saw Lois, like his own mother decades ago, using her body to shield her beloved from a monstrous murderer. Batman stopped trying to kill Superman because Batman finally saw the thread connecting the present moment to the past. He saw himself clearly, and what he saw was that he had become the same kind of man that had murdered his parents and was about to become a man who wouldn't even save a mother from being murdered by criminals.

 

[OutOfBoose]

misslane38, I was joking. We talked extensively about Bruce having a condition.

 

[misslane38]

misslane38, I was joking. We talked extensively about Bruce having a condition.

Okay.

 

[writer0327]

Sigh. I hate that Zack Snyder has encouraged this epidemic of revisionist history that completely ignores the fact that Batman and Superman BOTH have been against killing for the vast majority of their almost 80 year histories.

And it's the most annoying part of these discussions as well. Bringing the uncommon, out of the ordinary version of Bats and Supes as the grand opening of the DCEU was a huge misstep.

 

[MbJ]

And it's the most annoying part of these discussions as well. Bringing the uncommon, out of the ordinary version of Bats and Supes as the grand opening of the DCEU was a huge misstep.

Superman was a communist one time. Clearly that should be the direction of the franchise moving forward.

 

[Boy Scout]

And it's the most annoying part of these discussions as well. Bringing the uncommon, out of the ordinary version of Bats and Supes as the grand opening of the DCEU was a huge misstep.

You're not wrong.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Along with Superman shooting rainbow beams from his fingers.

 

[The Joker]

Batman is not suffering from PTSD. He's suffering from idiocy. There's not a single source associated with this movie that says he was suffering with PTSD or any mental illness.

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah there's a difference between what was put on screen and you projecting what you think you saw.

 

[FunkMiller]

And it's the most annoying part of these discussions as well. Bringing the uncommon, out of the ordinary version of Bats and Supes as the grand opening of the DCEU was a huge misstep.

Extremely good point. I despise the fact that Batman kills so easily in only his first outing.

But if a few movies had gone by and we'd gotten used to seeing Affleck's take, and then they'd created a decent storyline that forces Bruce into killing? That's different.

I'm all for taking established characters and doing something unique and original with them - but for Christ's sakes, let's see them actually established first, for crying out loud.