All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[Erzengel]

So it's fine for other studios to announce projects they hope to develop, but not WB because...

I dunno about the actual timeline on who did what first. But aside from pushing back BP and CM 6-9 months and "dropping" Inhumans, MCU is consistent with releasing their movie.

And out of the back half of the original DCEU announcements don't have an official release date anymore.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Where I take issue is this is supposed to be a "Cinematic Universe",or in WB's case an "Extended Universe".

For years people hounded WB for "where is the plan?" Then they came up with the 2014 slate, followed it up to Aquaman. But everything including and beyond 2018 seems to be up in the air. What happened to the plan?

Also i think some people really did want the core JL members to get a good foundation before moving on to lesser known characters. Personally I'm still waiting for Flash, and MOS 2 news.

 

[FunkMiller]

So this backup Batman universe is pretty clever business. If people don't embrace the current version of Justice League and its members, they have a fallback while they work on it.

It's certainly an easier one to create and maintain. A Batman universe can steer clear of all the wilder aspects of DC - a lot of which if we're being honest can be pretty damn cheesy - and concentrate on a more 'street level' shared universe of projects.

I can quite easily see The Batman and sequels being the backbone, with 'satellite' movies circulating around it - in what is essentially a copy of the way the comics function.

The continuity could be great. Imagine a Batman movie that introduces the Court Of Owls (my personal pick for villains in the new film). The court could then extend into the Nightwing movie (Raptor) a Teen Titans movie, Sirens, Batgirl etc. etc. You'd have your 'big bad' then for the entire universe.

And let's face it... a Batman universe will make more money than a total DC universe.

Matt Reeves as the 'Kevin Feige' of a BCU?

Sign me the **** up.

 

[The Guard]

I dunno about the actual timeline on who did what first. But aside from pushing back BP and CM 6-9 months and "dropping" Inhumans, MCU is consistent with releasing their movie.

And out of the back half of the original DCEU announcements don't have an official release date anymore.

But WB can't push back movies without everyone hitting the panic button. This is the nature of the movie business. It's not unique to WB, and is in part, an effect of so many tent pole movies being made. Release dates aren't always set in stone anymore.

Per your chart, I'm sure GAMBIt was excellent last year.

 

[Erzengel]

But WB can't push back movies without everyone hitting the panic button. This is the nature of the movie business. It's not unique to WB, and is in part, an effect of so many tent pole movies being made. Release dates aren't always set in stone anymore.

It's one thing if it's a couple. But off that list:

Flash - Pushed Back, Unknown Date
Aquaman - Pushed Back to October 2018
Shazam - It appears that Black Adam will come first
Justice League 2 - The Batman has taken it's release date

Now Cyborg and GLC appear to still have it's own release dates BUT how with Sirens, JL Dark, Booster Gold, Lobo, MOS2, Deadshot, SS2 and Nightwing all announced who's to say what will be released in 2020.

And I think that's the point. WB pushed BvS back a few months. That's fine. MCU pushed back BP and CM a few months. That's fine. As long as they get released But if you keep pushing back and not rescheduling AND announcing more projects in development, it doesn't seem like there's any type of plan other than a wait and see.

 

[2kt09]

I dunno about the actual timeline on who did what first.

DCEU has a shareholding meeting: titles and dates get released
Later that month, Feige holds that conference to announce titles and dates
The following year SDCC ends up even more like E3

 

[Erzengel]

DCEU has a shareholding meeting: titles and dates get released
Later that month, Feige holds that conference to announce titles and dates
The following year SDCC ends up even more like E3

If that's true, that's even worse.

So MCU comes in later and their stuff is in order for the most part?

 

[2kt09]

If that's true, that's even worse.

So MCU comes in later and their stuff is in order for the most part?

There was never supposed to be a movie schedule for non-investors given studios greenlight or announce a ton regardless if those flicks actually end up getting made or get released on later dates.

Things just worked out that way.

 

[The Guard]

I fail to see why this matters. I don't worry about the schedule my favorite movies were released in when i sit down to watch them in theaters or at home.

This is just the nature of business. Big projects often have target dates. Those target dates often get changed. It's not always a bad thing.

 

[The Guard]

It's one thing if it's a couple. But off that list:

Flash - Pushed Back, Unknown Date
Aquaman - Pushed Back to October 2018
Shazam - It appears that Black Adam will come first
Justice League 2 - The Batman has taken it's release date

Now Cyborg and GLC appear to still have it's own release dates BUT how with Sirens, JL Dark, Booster Gold, Lobo, MOS2, Deadshot, SS2 and Nightwing all announced who's to say what will be released in 2020.

And I think that's the point. WB pushed BvS back a few months. That's fine. MCU pushed back BP and CM a few months. That's fine. As long as they get released But if you keep pushing back and not rescheduling AND announcing more projects in development, it doesn't seem like there's any type of plan other than a wait and see.

That's because the plan is partially to wait and see. A plan that allows for adaption is not inherently a bad plan.

 

[Erzengel]

I fail to see why this matters. I don't worry about the schedule my favorite movies were released in when i sit down to watch them in theaters or at home.

This is just the nature of business. Big projects often have target dates. Those target dates often get changed. It's not always a bad thing.

That's because the plan is partially to wait and see. A plan that allows for adaption is not inherently a bad plan.

A wait and see plan is fine except when you have 15 in development movies and seem to announce a new one every few months and you can't even tell fans what is being released in 2018 officially.

 

[2kt09]

you can't even tell fans what is being released in 2018 officially.

That's what the conventions have become.

 

[BH/HHH]

If Justice League is a smash hit I guarantee they will push the JL2 up the slate

 

[Jonwo]

I never thought JL2 was ever going to make 2019, I think July 2020 seems the most realistic date it could happen but Spring or Summer 2021 wouldn't surprise me.

November 2019 is still TBA and I suspect DC films will alternate with the Fantastic Beasts films until 2024 with DC taking the odd years and FB the even years

 

[writer0327]

I fail to see why this matters. I don't worry about the schedule my favorite movies were released in when i sit down to watch them in theaters or at home.

This is just the nature of business. Big projects often have target dates. Those target dates often get changed. It's not always a bad thing.

You're right, it is the nature of the business. I think the issue many have with it is because Marvel seems to be knocking their films out on time, following along with their plan, aside from a couple of pushed back release dates. Maybe the takeaway here is that Marvel is an outlier, an anomaly in this business, whereas WB/DC is closer to the way things usually work. Then again, they are sort of pioneering this shared universe concept.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

It is hard not to compare the two, Marvel Studios practically invented the shared universe concept in movies. And they came up with the do solos first of your most high profile characters you have, then do a teamup. Then move on to lesser knowns. Also the concept of "phases" to describe the lineup using teamups as markers.

It also worked out pretty good for them.

While yes DC has the advantage of the Trinity being very well known on their own (we've seen Bruce's parent's shot so many times already), looking back I would have liked to have seen a MOS 2, and a Batman solo instead of Suicide Squad and BVS.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I don't think the order of the movies is that important. Suicide Squad would have been crap if it was released after Justice League as well.

The main problem is simply the quality of the movies, the lack of quality control from up top, producers who weren't very good at their jobs who hired the wrong creative teams. Going from MOS to BvS to JL isn't the problem. Snyder is the problem. A competent creative team could have made that work just fine. George Miller probably could have made having a JL movie right off the bat just fine.

Now we have new producers, and the verdict's still out on how well their movies will be, but I don't think developing movies for Dick Grayson and Harley Quinn, two massively popular characters, is a problem.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Where I take issue is this is supposed to be a "Cinematic Universe",or in WB's case an "Extended Universe".

For years people hounded WB for "where is the plan?" Then they came up with the 2014 slate, followed it up to Aquaman. But everything including and beyond 2018 seems to be up in the air. What happened to the plan?

Also i think some people really did want the core JL members to get a good foundation before moving on to lesser known characters. Personally I'm still waiting for Flash, and MOS 2 news.

The entire original slate is still on track. The only difference is that The Flash has been delayed due to Toby Emmerich (and presumably, Johns and Berg also) decided that it was better to take that film back into development with a whole new script, than trying to push forward with a patchwork of Lord/Miller, Grahame-Smith, and Famuyiwa's vision. And since The CW show is still on the air, there's no rush.

The Batman is up in the air, but that was never a guarantee for 2018 anyway, and was always expected for 2019. And it didn't even have a date on the original slate. But despite that, it could still release in 2018, should they decide for a late 2018 release instead.

So things really, really aren't as dire as people claim/so desperately want to believe.

 

[idiot09]

I thing to keep in mind is that just because they are not sharing their slate, doesnt mean they dont have one or that they dont have a plan.

 

[STARMAN]

The only one I can think of an official press release for was the Matt Reeves announcement. But I could be wrong.

 

[Erzengel]

The entire original slate is still on track. The only difference is that The Flash has been delayed due to Toby Emmerich (and presumably, Johns and Berg also) decided that it was better to take that film back into development with a whole new script, than trying to push forward with a patchwork of Lord/Miller, Grahame-Smith, and Famuyiwa's vision. And since The CW show is still on the air, there's no rush.

The Batman is up in the air, but that was never a guarantee for 2018 anyway, and was always expected for 2019. And it didn't even have a date on the original slate. But despite that, it could still release in 2018, should they decide for a late 2018 release instead.

So things really, really aren't as dire as people claim/so desperately want to believe.

How is the whole slate "on track"? And I'm not saying things are dire.

But outside Aquaman, Flash isn't coming out next year. 2019 had Shazam and JL2. Will Black Adam and the Batman take their place? So that pushes them to 2020 at the earliest, however what about the other 15 movies they announced.

See I don't have an issue necessarily with pushing back films, just the constant hey we're going ahead with DC Property #17 now, too. Well what about DC Property #6?

Of course, if they do the whole wait and see until after JL? Then that pretty much might push everything back another year.

 

[STARMAN]

A Flash director may be dependent on how quickly Joby Harold's page one rewrite comes together.

 

[STARMAN]

One of the past articles mentions Emmerich having greenlight authority with Tsujihara.

 

[STARMAN]

Peter Chernin is one of the guys that may get a top position if the merger goes through. He had a connection with Reeves from Planet of the Apes.

 

[STARMAN]

There's a possible shake-up with any merger. AT&T purchased Direct TV a few years back. Again, the name that was written about in the past was Peter Chernin. His background is more than At&T. A former Fox executive who has been involved with film and media, including the Apes movies, and past speculation of getting a top job at Universal and Disney according to the Hollywood Reporter.