All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 2

[Milk Tray Guy]

I'm sure Snyder considers MoS/BvS/JL his Superman trilogy even if there are people who don't view it as such - I just wonder if he had an ending for his Superman story-arc in mind early on, as Goyer and Nolan supposedly did for the TDK trilogy.

 

[idiot09]

I fail to see how posts like these contribute to the conversation. As much as I disagree with them, at least The Guard and misslane make an attempt to actually say something.

But whatever. It's your right to post whatever you want.

I would agree with you but if you notice, the taunting and mocking of posters and their ideas is going on from both sides here. Ofcourse though, two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[idiot09]

I'm sure Snyder considers MoS/BvS/JL his Superman trilogy even if there are people who don't view it as such - I just wonder if he had an ending for his Superman story-arc in mind early on, as Goyer and Nolan supposedly did for the TDK trilogy.

Interviews and Superman's monomythic arc suggests he did. Even the latest interview with his assistant director, we came to know Snyder had this planned for a pretty long time, and Roven told us that MOS was always meant to kick off an extended universe(which coincidentally is a topic which has always been discussed a lot here).

 

[GothamBat]

A CGI crack in defence of the DCEU? What are you going for there...?

holy strawman batman. Acting like the last sentence was my whole argument?? okaaay.. Next time you follow up an argument with a little facetious remark at the end I hope someone only offers a rebuttal to your remark so you see how silly that is

 

[titansupes]

holy strawman batman. Acting like the last sentence was my whole argument?? okaaay.. Next time you follow up an argument with a little facetious remark at the end I hope someone only offers a rebuttal to your remark so you see how silly that is

I didn't address or try to rebut the rest of the argument. I wondered about that one bizarre piece of it. You'll even notice people bolding or highlighting specific sentences in other peoples posts-- or even just deleting whole posts and quoting only relevant sentences-- to reply to across this whole forum and every other one. This isn't new or wrong. It's just that this particular nonsensical attempt at a joke stood out to me.

 

[GothamBat]

For starters - how about NOT deconstruct him to the point where he's a broodish, angsty millenial. It wasn't even relatable - it just kept sucking the spirit out of both films he was involved in. When he did talk, it came off like he was pitching product on the QVC.

They absolutely need to loosen the character up. I mean there was a moment when he was atop that building with Luthor and he looked like a freakin' demon with the glowing eyes and spewing rage. Now clearly he's not going to be happy about what Luthor had done - but it was still odd.

You mean when he flashed pictures of his mother as she was tied up and held hostage with a gag in her mouth and subsequently threatened to burn her alive? I don't understand how you can see his reaction and respond with "hey I get that he's not going to be necessarily happy about it but c'mon now. that's just odd".

I've also lost count of how many times they've given Supes red glowing eyes in the comics, cartoon shows and videogames to denote rage. To say he looks demonic in that state is... I mean... Is he supposed to look any other way? What did he look like every other time it's been done? Like someone who's upset but maintains an even keel, a calm disposition and remains all around pretty friendly?

 

[GothamBat]

I didn't address or try to rebut the rest of the argument. I wondered about that one bizarre piece of it. You'll even notice people bolding or highlighting specific sentences in other peoples posts-- or even just deleting whole posts and quoting only relevant sentences-- to reply to across this whole forum and every other one. This isn't new or wrong. It's just that this particular nonsensical attempt at a joke stood out to me.

I didn't assume you were treating it as my argument by omission. I assumed that because you said it was. "a CGI crack in defense of the dceu? what are you going for there?"

 

[titansupes]

I didn't assume you thought it was my argument by omission. I assumed that because you said it was. "a CGI crack in defense of the dceu? what are you going for there?"

"I think you people need to go watch Dr. Strange a few more times. The shiny CGI will calm you down."

So... Are you implying that the DCEU doesn't have a hell of a lot of CGI? Or are you implying that 'the haters' only care about shiny CGI and the rest of the movie is 2deep4u (them)?

What are you going for there?

 

[GothamBat]

"I think you people need to go watch Dr. Strange a few more times. The shiny CGI will calm you down."

So... Are you implying that the DCEU doesn't have a hell of a lot of CGI? Or are you implying that 'the haters' only care about shiny CGI and the rest of the movie is 2deep4u (them)?

What are you going for there?

It was a wisecrack at the end. wholly separate from the actual argument I made. I was being as dismissive as previous posters were being. That's what I was going for.

But if you must over-analyse the wisecrack: when the cgi is front and center and it amounts to shiny, colorful acid trip visuals with absolutely no coherence to them and very little purpose other than to wow an audience, I think it's kind of apt to make the joke that it's the cinematic equivalent of something pretty and shiny that placates simple-minded people who just crave substance-less spectacle and not much else.

 

[titansupes]

Or are you implying that 'the haters' only care about shiny CGI and the rest of the movie is 2deep4u (them)?

It was a wisecrack at the end. wholly separate from the actual argument I made. I was being as dismissive as previous posters were being. That's what I was going for.

But if you must over-analyse the wisecrack: when the cgi is front and center and it amounts to shiny, colorful acid trip visuals with absolutely no coherence to them and very little purpose other than to wow an audience, I think it's kind of apt to make the joke that it's the cinematic equivalent of something pretty and shiny that placates simple-minded people who just crave substance-less spectacle and not much else.

 

[GothamBat]

yes... good job debunking my wisecrack. The one that came after the actual argument... you win

 

[titansupes]

yes... good job debunking my wisecrack. The one that came after the actual argument... you win

The poor wisecrack was the closer to the rest of your argument, not some random non-sequitur, and you just admitted it was (paraphrasing now) "You people are simple minded and the movie's too deep for you".

 

[GothamBat]

The poor wisecrack was the closer to the rest of your argument, not some random non-sequitur, and you just admitted it was (paraphrasing now) "You people are simple minded and the movie's too deep for you".

It wasn't the closer. It was a joke and it wasn't even in the same paragraph but off on it's own. Do you know what a joke is? Even if they have some basis in reality (which all jokes do) they are by no means something you should treat like an actual argument.

 

[titansupes]

It wasn't the closer. It was a joke and it wasn't even in the same paragraph but off on it's own. Do you know what a joke is? Even if they have some basis in reality (which all jokes do) they are by no means something you should treat like an actual argument.

So you just decided to randomly insult peoples intelligence, unrelated to the rest of the point of your post? That's a strange way to write. And no, separating something into another paragraph doesn't divorce it from the context of the rest of the post, unless clearly stated otherwise.

It's very obvious what you were going for, especially since you just admitted it-- You were trying to call people stupid. If that's a joke, it's a bad one.

 

[GothamBat]

So you just decided to randomly insult peoples intelligence, unrelated to the rest of the point of your post? That's a strange way to write.

It's very obvious what you were going for, especially since you just admitted it-- You were trying to call people stupid. No amount of backtracking will hide that.

yeah except it was said in jest. and I was aping the dismissive, condescending attitude of previous posters. So even if it was an actual serious remark, it still wouldn't reflect my actual slant for that reason. give it a rest buddy

 

[titansupes]

yeah except it was said in jest. and I was aping the dismissive, condescending attitude of previous posters. So even if it was an actual serious remark, it still wouldn't reflect my actual slant. give it a rest buddy.

I shall, because we've gotten to the bottom of it. You made a bad joke in a poor attempt to call people stupid and then tried your dardnest to wiggle out of it and brush it off.

Thank you for answering my question.

 

[GothamBat]

I shall, because we've gotten to the bottom of it. You made a bad joke in a poor attempt to call people stupid.

Thank you for answering my question.

Congratulations. We've established that my casual one line of snarkiness after the actual argument, wasn't funny and that it deeply offended you. We've truly gotten to the bottom of it all.

 

[titansupes]

Congratulations. We've established that my casual one line of snarkiness after the actual argument, wasn't funny and that it deeply offended you. We've truly gotten to the bottom of it all.

 

[GothamBat]

I've been meaning to give that movie a watch

 

[titansupes]

Me too, actually.

 

[Bagide]

What's going on

 

[The Batman]

So, with Logan proving that critics still like dark, serious CBMs, and with Iron Fist debunking the "Disney pays off the critics" theory, what's the current explanation for the negative reaction to the DCEU?

 

[BH/HHH]

So today the twitter poll ended, after countless retweets and tags the poll had a whopping 210 votes. Which I think is pretty decent on a random bloke from the UKs Twitter.

https://***********/stebob1984/status/837347000857333762

As could be told from early on (if you were watching the 7 day poll) is that Batman v Superman won by a huge margin. I did have some ask me of BvS and SS were the Ultimate/Extended cuts but I had replied saying that was my intent but any votes for theatricals count too as they're the same movie end of the day.

Just a fun little experiment anyway, thanks to those who took part.

 

[Erzengel]

So, with Logan proving that critics still like dark, serious CBMs, and with Iron Fist debunking the "Disney pays off the critics" theory, what's the current explanation for the negative reaction to the DCEU?

Group/hive mind. Too many weak minded people want to be with the popular people and say that the DCEU is bad.

 

[Greens]

I wonder why the opinion is so popular...