All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 2

[Boy Scout]

And so what, Afflecks nomination had bad press and he still won.

That's not the point.

Mel's movie had bad press and it still got nominated. Bad press doesn't impact whether a movie is good or bad...

Also not the point.

I would rather they talk about Mel's past exploits rather than bashing DCEUs movies for no reason.

Again: his past exploits could be held against him, which could then lead to more negative press for the DCEU.

Plus I would rather someone with talent and controversy direct a DC film rather than someone ike Goyer.

I honestly don't care if they hire him or not. Like I said, I have no opinion on him or his work. I'm just discussing what I think might happen if he is hired. I don't think it's a risk they need to take, but I wouldn't blame them for taking it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

You and others may not like it and the press may talk bad about it for a little while but if he delivers yet another solid film that gets better reviews than SS and makes as much money that is all WB cares about. Bottom line, if WB aren't afraid of his past then more power to them and if he brings his talent to the table then he's worth the risk of a few articles and reviews that mention his shady history. Hacksaw Ridge got bad press because people brought up Gibson's past and that didn't stop it's success. Casey's past prompts articles and comments but his movie was still successful; in both cases audiences and critics responded to the positives of the movie itself. I doubt anyone will start a petition to not see SS2 because Mel Gibson is directing.
I'm done with this discussion, I've repeated myself too much.

 

[mat-chow]

Thank you Jay Baruchel (never thought I'd say that, lol), found this on fb-

Jay Baruchel - best known for his roles in Knocked Up, This is the End, Undeclared, Fanboys - says Batman v Superman was his second favorite film of 2016! He said he really loved the Extended cut and thought the theatrical cut was better than Civil War! Here's what he had to say:

Baruchel: "Well, my favorite films of ’16, number 1 would be Nocturnal Animals. I think it’s gorgeous and compelling and such a good mystery, and the music is insane. For a guy who’s such a good fashion designer, can just wake up and be one of the world’s great directors? I love that movie and…umm… This is gonna get me in a lot of sh** and you’re the first time I’ve said it publicly, I’ve been trying to decide when I’m gonna say it…my other favorite film of last year is…not the theatrical version mind you, just the director’s cut…"

Interviewer: "Oh I know what you’re gonna say…"

Baruchel: "BATMAN V SUPERMAN…DAWN OF JUSTICE: Ultimate Edition is probably the film I’ve seen the most from last year. I’ve watched it about seven times…”

Interviewer: "Well, there’s a really distinct vision to it, and you can’t say that with the Marvel movies…"

Baruchel: "THANK YOU! This is what I said, even when I saw the theatrical one and didn’t love it. In its weakest moment, it has more choice, style and commitment to it than the best moment in CIVIL WAR. CIVIL WAR, I can’t tell you what it’s about or who made it. You watch BATMAN V SUPERMAN you know exactly what it’s about and he f***ing committed to a choice and DC always does that.”

To read more about it, click here:
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/int...lliam-scott-on-goon-last-of-the-enforcers-179

 

[Micromind]

Good to know that Jay Baruchel likes the movie.

Jay Baruchel was cast as Maxwell Lord in George Miller's Justice League Mortal.

 

[Boy Scout]

You and others may not like it...

You should read my posts before you respond to them.

and the press may talk bad about it for a little while but if he delivers yet another solid film that gets better reviews than SS and makes as much money that is all WB cares about.

Sigh. Obviously. I never said anything to the contrary.

Bottom line, if WB aren't afraid of his past then more power to them and if he brings his talent to the table then he's worth the risk of a few articles and reviews that mention his shady history. Hacksaw Ridge got bad press because people brought up Gibson's past and that didn't stop it's success. Casey's past prompts articles and comments but his movie was still successful; in both cases audiences and critics responded to the positives of the movie itself. I doubt anyone will start a petition to not see SS2 because Mel Gibson is directing.

1) Like I said: a superhero movie would be more high profile than most (if not all) of his other projects. SS2 would receive double, triple, quadruple the amount of media attention Hacksaw Ridge received.

2) Gibson would almost guarantee more bad press for the DCEU. Not just bad press. More bad press.

3) People petitioned the White House when Affleck was cast as Batman. Mel Gibson is a much more polarizing figure.

I'm done with this discussion, I've repeated myself too much.

Oh no! And I was having such a good time!

 

[GothamBat]

Didn't he shield himself with an ironclad contract that would guarantee that he gets paid even if he is relieved of directing duties? Hence why he is still directing Justice League?

Well played, Zack. Shame about DC though.

um don't directors get paid like max 1 mil. per movie? (with Chris Nolan being the outlier and the highest paid director in history, getting a 20 mil. paycheck for dunkirk) pretty sure he's not directing JL just because WB didn't want to make that (relatively) tiny amount of money go to waste.

WB: *regularly investing hundreds of millions into their properites* oh man we have to give snyder the boot...but... hold on a sec! we have to let him direct... We wouldn't want to squander those 650k

 

[Grommers]

The badpress is unwarranted though, so doesn't really bug me, bring more on, and they'll just better and better.

At this point the movies slowly keep making more money as people aren't taking the "reviews" seriously.

So yeah let Gibson, if it's bad press hey who cares, we'll end up with a much better DCEU in the long run, and the press will be without jobs because they are doing such a piss poor job.

 

[GothamBat]

The badpress is unwarranted though, so doesn't really bug me, bring more on, and they'll just better and better.

At this point the movies slowly keep making more money as people aren't taking the "reviews" seriously.

So yeah let Gibson, if it's bad press hey who cares, we'll end up with a much better DCEU in the long run, and the press will be without jobs because they are doing such a piss poor job.

basically embrace the bad press until it all becomes just empty noise and nobody even listens to the exaggerated negativity that's constantly foisted upon the dceu... it's just crazy enough to work!

 

[Boy Scout]

Well that's the thing: they don't really NEED Gibson for SS2. There are plenty of talented directors out there who don't have even half the baggage. I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T hire him, though. It's an unnecessary risk, but I've heard he's very talented, so I couldn't blame them for taking it.

 

[STARMAN]

My instinct feels Gibson won't be directing SS2. But I've been wrong plenty of times.

 

[GothamBat]

One thing I've been thinking about is how the sequel to SS is going to shape up stylistically, visually, tone-wise ect. Will they include rock songs and quirky text intros to the characters, neon aesthetics, and overall fun, kind of satirical tone?
Because if they totally do a 180 and make a movie like sicario, not only will they make it really jarring and in-congruent with the first movie, but they also risk alienating all the fans of the first film who will be lining up to see the sequel and there's tons of them. It made such a splash in pop-culture. Then again, knee-jerk critics might see some of the neon aesthetics and scatter-brained pacing like in the first one and immediately foster antipathy.

 

[GothamBat]

Personally, I'd like them to stay the course, use those text intros again for the new skwad characters, do promotional songs with Skrillex, twenty one pilots, eminem, whoever, do the neon purple and green colors, keep the same tone ect. but just make the script smarter and go balls to the walls with the action and set pieces.

 

[mclay18]

With the way Get Out is resounding with critics and audiences, anyone else think Jordan Peele might be a good director for The Flash or Cyborg?

Anyone?

 

[Boy Scout]

Personally, I'd like them to stay the course, use those text intros again for the new skwad characters, do promotional songs with Skrillex, twenty one pilots, eminem, whoever, do the neon purple and green colors, keep the same tone ect. but just make the script smarter and go balls to the walls with the action and set pieces.

Agreed. Keep the aesthetics, but improve the filmmaking.

With the way Get Out is resounding with critics and audiences, anyone else think Jordan Peele might be a good director for The Flash or Cyborg?

Anyone?

I wouldn't give him a film that requires a ton of VFX.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One thing I've been thinking about is how the sequel to SS is going to shape up stylistically, visually, tone-wise ect. Will they include rock songs and quirky text intros to the characters, neon aesthetics, and overall fun, kind of satirical tone?
Because if they totally do a 180 and make a movie like sicario, not only will they make it really jarring and in-congruent with the first movie, but they also risk alienating all the fans of the first film who will be lining up to see the sequel and there's tons of them. It made such a splash in pop-culture. Then again, knee-jerk critics might see some of the neon aesthetics and scatter-brained pacing like in the first one and immediately foster antipathy.

I just hope they can scale everything down, make the villain more grounded, they can still make it stylised but concentrate on getting the story right first.

 

[dark_b]

For people who have a problem with Mel. do they know what Robert Downey Jr. did in the 90's? Or what Tom Hardy did years ago?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Those actors are part of the MCU and the Nolan Bat trilogy respectively. Those franchises don't have the moral, ethical values of DCEU.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Those actors are part of the MCU and the Nolan Bat trilogy respectively. Those franchises don't have the moral, ethical values of DCEU.

 

[Boy Scout]

For people who have a problem with Mel. do they know what Robert Downey Jr. did in the 90's? Or what Tom Hardy did years ago?

I've heard about RDJ, but what did Hardy do?

 

[dark_b]

I've heard about RDJ, but what did Hardy do?

Ohhh years ago he infront of the camera talked about his young years and he admited that he put a gun to someone's head and wanted to kill him. when he was on drugs.

 

[misslane38]

For people who have a problem with Mel. do they know what Robert Downey Jr. did in the 90's? Or what Tom Hardy did years ago?

I'm not aware of what Hardy did years ago. Fill me in? RDJ, I believe, had problems with drug addiction, but I don't really see how that's comparable to racism. Enlighten me on how RDJ and Hardy are just as bad as Mel Gibson.

 

[misslane38]

Ohhh years ago he infront of the camera talked about his young years and he admited that he put a gun to someone's head and wanted to kill him. when he was on drugs.

So not comparable at all then. Okay.

 

[Boy Scout]

Ohhh years ago he infront of the camera talked about his young years and he admited that he put a gun to someone's head and wanted to kill him. when he was on drugs.

That's horrible, but I feel like there's some context missing.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

When it comes to the DCEU, I only want the purest of heart.

Pillars of the community, upstanding members of society. People our kids can look up to, y'know?

And if that means not including people like Mel Gibson, then so be it. I'm sure the guy who directed San Andreas or The Legend of Tarzan are available.

 

[misslane38]

When it comes to the DCEU, I only want the purest of heart.

Pillars of the community, upstanding members of society. People our kids can look up to, y'know?

And if that means not including people like Mel Gibson, then so be it. I'm sure the guy who directed San Andreas or The Legend of Tarzan are available.

What a ridiculous false dichotomy or dilemma. The choices aren't between good filmmaker and bad morals, Mel Gibson, or good morals and bad filmmakers, like other directors. There are, believe it or not, good filmmakers who also have good morals.