All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - Part 81

[sf2]

Can people who have seen both Into Darkness and Man of Steel help me out here?

I don't see many films per year. MOS and STID are the only two on my list for this year so far. I can't begin to express how disappointed I was with STID, yet it has an 87% on RT and many people & critics loved it. Why is MOS being considered so much worse, in their opinions, compared to Star Trek?

I've hedged all my bets for an enjoyable movie experience this year on MOS and now the reviews have me a bit nervous. I'm still hopeful, but if it's a flop, I'll probably be giving up on Hollywood for the foreseeable future!

Go hell the critic. Believe in your choice.

Btw, I love both.

 

[JayJustROTFL]

I have yet to see any critics say that they are suddenly against action fest summer blockbuster movies leading up to or because of Man of Steel.

At least an hour of Man of Steel's excessive running time is devoted to the sort of crash-and-burn, slamming-into-skyscrapers CG fight scenes that we've already seen in The Avengers and Dark Knight, Iron Man, and Spider-Man. Man of Steel is just the same old same old.

http://www.philly.com/philly/entert...an_of_Steel__quot__the_same_old_same_old.html

This is not the one im on about but sums it up. When I log back online later I will find the other reviews I was talking about.

 

[Mysteryman]

And If I dont like MOS as much The Avengers, I will be fine .
It could still be a good film after all.

 

[flickchick85]

Nice to see Peter Travers and Mick LaSalle liked it. I agree with them more often than not. The only one of my usual go-to critics we have yet to hear from is James Berardinelli, but he hinted on Twitter that he liked it, so I'm optimistic.

 

[NosfeRomas]

I'm sure it will but thing is i expect a Batman Begins quality film and from early reviews it seems it's not there yet.

 

[sf2]

And If I dont like MOS as much The Avengers, I will be fine .
It could still be a good film after all.

Just dont expect the hero self promoting avengers style

 

[Poni_Boy]

http://www.philly.com/philly/entert...an_of_Steel__quot__the_same_old_same_old.html

This is not the one im on about but sums it up. When I log back online later I will find the other reviews I was talking about.

That doesn't sound like they are blatantly against big action summer blockbuster movies. Sounds like they would just like to see something new/better done with them.

It may be hard to understand until you see it for yourself, but MOS doesn't really break any new ground in terms of action. The whole "it doesn't matter if the action is the same as other movies because we've never seen Superman do it before" only lasts so long.

And I'm not talking saying the same in terms of scope, I'm saying scene for scene replication from other movies like Avengers, Dark Knight, Transformers, etc, etc.

Also consider, when you are a professional critic/reviewer you watch upwards of 100 movies per year. Things get repetitive fast and the most unoriginal stuff gets quickly lumped together.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Bruce Wayne was busy salmon fishing in the Yemen (as elmayimbe said back then ).

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The other issue I had is that...you only see Clark Kent as reporter Clark Kent during the last few seconds of the movie.

It would have been nice to see Superman's alter ego reporter Clark Kent at the Daily Planet and his interaction with Perry White, Lois Lane and other people at the Daily Planet.

Another thing, during the destruction of the Metropolis, they spend some time to focus on this person, Jenny who was stuck under a falling debris.

But because they didn't really introduce or developed this Jenny character earlier on in the movie, it makes audiences hard to relate or feel for this character.

I do not comprehend. Judging from what we heard from the production, most of us were aware that Clark Kent the reporter wouldn't be in full effect until the sequel.

That I can understand. It's similar to Agent Coulson. Whedon didn't really develop Coulson into a character I cared for during the film, so when he died I found myself indifferent to his demise.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Just dont expect the hero self promoting avengers style

What do you mean by that?

 

[Poni_Boy]

I do not comprehend. Judging from what we heard from the production, most of us were aware that Clark Kent the reporter wouldn't be in full effect until the sequel.

That I can understand. It's similar to Agent Coulson. Whedon didn't really develop Coulson into a character I cared for during the film, so when he died I found myself indifferent to his demise.

None of that matters in the context of the film. A movie tells a story. You can go in with all the knowledge in the world about how it was made but you still can't tell how it all came together until you see the movie as it was intended.

 

[Mysteryman]

That doesn't sound like they are blatantly against big action summer blockbuster movies. Sounds like they would just like to see something new/better done with them.

It may be hard to understand until you see it for yourself, but MOS doesn't really break any new ground in terms of action. The whole "it doesn't matter if the action is the same as other movies because we've never seen Superman do it before" only lasts so long.

And I'm not talking saying the same in terms of scope, I'm saying scene for scene replication from other movies like Avengers, Dark Knight, Transformers, etc, etc.

Also consider, when you are a professional critic/reviewer you watch upwards of 100 movies per year. Things get repetitive fast and the most unoriginal stuff gets quickly lumped together.

were there any scenes in MOS that reminded that reminded you of Independence Day ?
We heard that opinion recently .

 

[UrNuts2]

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Also consider, when you are a professional critic/reviewer you watch upwards of 100 movies per year. Things get repetitive fast and the most unoriginal stuff gets quickly lumped together.

yeah ? that many ?

small wonder that they aren't easily impressed. Perhaps more reason to believe (hope) that will be better received by the GA .. this weekend will be telling

 

[Poni_Boy]

were there any scenes in MOS that reminded that reminded you of Independence Day ?
We heard that opinion recently .

You mean the giant alien ship blasting a white destructive beam of energy down into the middle of a city leaving ruin and rubble in its wake?

No, didn't catch that part

 

[Marvin]

Can people who have seen both Into Darkness and Man of Steel help me out here?

I don't see many films per year. MOS and STID are the only two on my list for this year so far. I can't begin to express how disappointed I was with STID, yet it has an 87% on RT and many people & critics loved it. Why is MOS being considered so much worse, in their opinions, compared to Star Trek?

I've hedged all my bets for an enjoyable movie experience this year on MOS and now the reviews have me a bit nervous. I'm still hopeful, but if it's a flop, I'll probably be giving up on Hollywood for the foreseeable future!

Can't speak for MoS(yet) or the Critics but there is a big element of comparison to what came before with alot of these summer films nowadays.
That's the price of this level of originality.

Sometimes it benefits you sometimes it doesn't.

That being said I can't believe that Superman returns was compared favorably to STM. If it was, than that's surprising.

 

[The Batman]

That doesn't sound like they are blatantly against big action summer blockbuster movies. Sounds like they would just like to see something new/better done with them.

It may be hard to understand until you see it for yourself, but MOS doesn't really break any new ground in terms of action. The whole "it doesn't matter if the action is the same as other movies because we've never seen Superman do it before" only lasts so long.

And I'm not talking saying the same in terms of scope, I'm saying scene for scene replication from other movies like Avengers, Dark Knight, Transformers, etc, etc.

See, stuff like this is exactly why I dreaded MOS essentially being a typical origin story.

 

[Poni_Boy]

yeah ? that many ?

small wonder that they aren't easily impressed. Perhaps more reason to believe (hope) that will be better received by the GA .. this weekend will be telling

100 movies a year is actually on the lower end of the spectrum. Some of the top/busiest critics see between 250 - 300 movies per year.

On the positive side it makes objectivity easier

 

[Italian_Kal]

elmayimbe ‏@elmayimbe 2m: "@MrJonathanKing: @elmayimbe Mr Mxyzptlk!!" Spoiler!


Could they be really bringing Mr Mxyzptlk in for MOS 2, in kind of an attempt to radically change the character and make it modern like they did with the Joker?

 

[WoodyROM]

On my way to the theater, stoked!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

None of that matters in the context of the film. A movie tells a story. You can go in with all the knowledge in the world about how it was made but you still can't tell how it all came together until you see the movie as it was intended.

Point? If you've been given the heads up that Clark Kent won't be donning his iconic glasses and classic suit in this installment because the director and writers want to go in a different direction yet you're disappointed in the result, who is to blame here?

How much of Bruce Wayne's business alter ego was on display during Batman Begins? Not much.

 

[JayJustROTFL]

That doesn't sound like they are blatantly against big action summer blockbuster movies. Sounds like they would just like to see something new/better done with them.

It may be hard to understand until you see it for yourself, but MOS doesn't really break any new ground in terms of action..

I have seen it And I did not say they are against big action summer blockbuster movies. I just said I have read a few reviews where they have said along the lines of "oh joy, another typical summer blockbuster filled with too much action and not enough substance."

Basically attacking the film for too much action and leaving nothing else in it.

 

[king666]

elmayimbe ‏@elmayimbe 2m: "@MrJonathanKing: @elmayimbe Mr Mxyzptlk!!" Spoiler!


Could they be really bringing Mr Mxyzptlk in for MOS 2, in kind of an attempt to radically change the character and make it modern like they did with the Joker?

lol, I don't think so. I think elmayimbe was being sarcastic.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I have seen it And I did not say they are against big action summer blockbuster movies. I just said I have read a few reviews where they have said along the lines of "oh joy, another typical summer blockbuster filled with too much action and not enough substance."

Basically attacking the film for too much action and leaving nothing else in it.

I think you're glossing over the word typical. It's a powerful word in the context of this conversation. This movie has been promoted ad nauseum as anything BUT typical. If you go into it and fine it to be just another run of the mill superhero actioneer then that's that.

 

[KryptoKnight13]

Did anybody hear if Kevin Smith liked it?

 

[KryptoKnight13]

Or Filmnerdjamie?