All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - Part 81

[Obi Wan Kenobi]

It's an outrage that SR currently has higher RT rating and I liked SR.

Not really, I've been warning people here over and over.

Cavill, Cavill's height, Amy Adams being 10 years older than Cavill, the chemistry between them. The new suit, no John Williams theme.

You guys can try to deny it all you want to and MOS may shatter records. But to have a Superman film without John Williams theme is like JJ Abrams launching Star Wars without Williams theme and opening crawl. That music IS SUPERMAN, it makes you want to stick your chest out, its uplifting it gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it and I've heard it 34 years now.

For Synder and Goyer to say Williams theme would confuse the audience is just down right stupid. Everyone knows its a reboot and Christopher Reeve isn't playing Superman.

 

[AF3619]

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[souperman]

Sort of. It gets to the point it becomes kind of meaningless to me.

Yeah, Superman is strong and powerful, we get it.

But do we need a ridiculous amount of quick, fast battle scenes to showcase Superman's flight, agility, superhuman speed...etc..? YES

Basically to sum it up, it's like watching two aliens with superhuman strength and speed throwing and slaming into each other, throwing and crashing each other into buildings.....that's basically what most of the action sequences is. Good so far

Especially the very last fight between Zod and Superman...it gets to the point of "enough is enough already". It starts to become ridiculous and unbelievable. enough is never enough...

Maybe Snyder is trying to beat the action sequences from "The Avengers" I hope so!

Just havin fun ... This MOS is about the learning his powers and control.
Maybe MOS2 will have more time for relationships being comfortable in his skin and have a bit more fun as Superman.
Maybe MOS3 will be a more somber version. It's all up for grabs now.

I intend to enjoy MOS for what it is and expect different things for the sequels.

 

[Reel]

Honestly the action in this film looks awesome and i really dont think I'll get bored of it.

Same. I know for a fact as soon as Youtube short versions of the battles are on there they will get millions of views of people wanting to see it over and over.

The fights in Smallville are the closest and they last a maximum of 3 minutes because of budget restraints and they weren't any good to be honest.

I AM OWED THIS ACTION BABY!!!!!

 

[Showtime]

You won't get bored of the action.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Six more hours for me.

 

[MrMaooz]

Not that it matters for many but there was a new Critics TV Spot with new footage during the NBA finals.

 

[DKDetective]

Dude, Superman has lacked action since Superman II. And we have NEVER EVER EVER seen Superman punch anyone except for in the Donner cut of Superman II when he punches non.

I haven't seen the movie, got my tickets for 9:30 tomorrow. I can see people not liking Henry Cavill, the suit, no Williams theme, but I don't see how anyone can be critical of the action.

After I saw Avengers, Transformers, Hancock and other movies with epic battles, I've always asked myself, why not Superman? Now we get that and people complain.

How can you not see why people would be critical of too much or repetitive action? It is one of the most obvious and well known ideas that you can have too much of a good thing. With action, it is especially true if the amount of action in a film takes away from the story and characters. Action is twice as eenjoyable if you are invested in what is happening and why it is happening. Furthermore, there is such a thing as bad action. If a set peiece is not well planned, choreographed or paced, it can drag and become repetitive and boring.

Just because past Superman films were lacking in action, it does not follow that this movie should try to make up for them and have enough action for mutliple films. It is a single film after all and the action needs to be balanced against other elements of a great film.

Superman is an iconic character whose stories are filled with layers of mythic undertones and great themes and philosophical questions. The character deserves an all around great film that captures all of that and great films involve balance. Not just 2 hours of popcorn spectacle. If you can be satisfied with the latter, good for you. I know I can't.

 

[souperman]

Not really, I've been warning people here over and over.

Cavill, Cavill's height, Amy Adams being 10 years older than Cavill, the chemistry between them. The new suit, no John Williams theme.

You guys can try to deny it all you want to and MOS may shatter records. But to have a Superman film without John Williams theme is like JJ Abrams launching Star Wars without Williams theme and opening crawl. That music IS SUPERMAN, it makes you want to stick your chest out, its uplifting it gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it and I've heard it 34 years now.

For Synder and Goyer to say Williams theme would confuse the audience is just down right stupid. Everyone knows its a reboot and Christopher Reeve isn't playing Superman.

was...

 

[Deserana]

For Synder and Goyer to say Williams theme would confuse the audience is just down right stupid. Everyone knows its a reboot and Christopher Reeve isn't playing Superman.

Is this argument still going?

The Williams theme would not have suited the film. It is far more serious. Having that theme would jar with the story. Also people who have seen the film have said they didn't even notice it.

Nor has one critic moaned about it. In fact, quite the opposite.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Will people get exhausted of the action? Yes, but I think in the best way possible. It's a lot to take in on the first viewing. But I cannot see anyone getting bored by them.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Not really, I've been warning people here over and over.

Cavill, Cavill's height, Amy Adams being 10 years older than Cavill, the chemistry between them. The new suit, no John Williams theme.

You guys can try to deny it all you want to and MOS may shatter records. But to have a Superman film without John Williams theme is like JJ Abrams launching Star Wars without Williams theme and opening crawl. That music IS SUPERMAN, it makes you want to stick your chest out, its uplifting it gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it and I've heard it 34 years now.

For Synder and Goyer to say Williams theme would confuse the audience is just down right stupid. Everyone knows its a reboot and Christopher Reeve isn't playing Superman.

Yeah I don't understand that argument. Some themes are simply iconic. JAWS, Superman, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, James Bond film are linked together emotionally by their music. and general audiences are much smarter than I think some film makers give them credit for.

Now if Zimmer had come up with a theme for this one akin to this Batman theme, one that rattles your chest and becomes instantly memorable, and presented that to Snyder & Co.. well, then, that's a different story.

 

[sf2]

Not really, I've been warning people here over and over.

Cavill, Cavill's height, Amy Adams being 10 years older than Cavill, the chemistry between them. The new suit, no John Williams theme.

You guys can try to deny it all you want to and MOS may shatter records. But to have a Superman film without John Williams theme is like JJ Abrams launching Star Wars without Williams theme and opening crawl. That music IS SUPERMAN, it makes you want to stick your chest out, its uplifting it gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it and I've heard it 34 years now.

For Synder and Goyer to say Williams theme would confuse the audience is just down right stupid. Everyone knows its a reboot and Christopher Reeve isn't playing Superman.

i had those complaints too since the movie filming. but they are work well in the movie.
btw, i miss the william theme too...it might hurt a little only. less classic and epic just a very little only.

 

[FN Spider-man]

I seen people try to match the JW theme with MOS and the way they've done it, its doesnt seem to fit and feels off IMO and I really enjoy the JW theme but I also cant to hear HZ's take (haven't listened to his stuff but bits on the trialers)

 

[DKDetective]

Will people get exhausted of the action? Yes, but I think in the best way possible. It's a lot to take in on the first viewing. But I cannot see anyone getting bored by them.

Generational differences? Modern audiences seem to have a greater capacity for spectacle and action and shorter attention spans for dialogue and drama. If I had a nickel for every time that someone under 20 has told me that the Star Wars original trilogy is inferior to the prequels because they are slow moving, boring, and lacking in
action. It just baffles my mind. I mean those are the movies that defined the idea of the modern blockbuster thrill ride. In my opinion, this is not an area in which I do not believe that society is moving forward.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Generational differences? Modern audiences seem to have a greater capacity for spectacle and action and shorter attention spans for dialogue and drama. If I had a nickel for every time that someone under 20 has told me that the Star Wars original trilogy is inferior to the prequels because they are slow moving, boring, and lacking in
action. It just baffles my mind. I mean those are the movies that defined the idea of the modern blockbuster thrill ride. In my opinion, this is not an area in which I do not believe that society is moving forward.

Funny you mention Star Wars. A little off topic but this is a great, great impromptu conversation between Spielberg and Lucas discussing the future of blockbusters and cinema:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/13/4...rge-lucas-usc-film-industry-massive-implosion

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Quick question for those who have already seen the film: Better in 3D or 2D?

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm still waiting for someone to argue the warning signs that this film would fail were there the very beginning. All the directors passing on it, the embargo, Nolan's weight loss. It all fits.

 

[smsvmos]

Omg!!! What a movieeeeee

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

People are still mad about the lack of William's theme? Let go of the past people.

 

[smsvmos]

quick question for those who have already seen the film: Better in 3d or 2d?

3d all the way

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Omg!!! What a movieeeeee

 

[Manosman]

Saw it in 3D last night. I'm not a fan of 3D, but since I won the tickets and it was free I wasn't about to complain about it. I'm seeing it in 2D tomorrow morning, so I'm excited to see it in my preferred viewing method.

As for the 3D, it was okay, didn't feel like it really added anything special too it. Again I don't like 3D.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

3d all the way

Cool. Thanks. Glad you liked the film!

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm not mad. But I found the composition of the movie lacking without a central theme that was blatant and catchy. I would have preferred Williams' theme over what was/was not there. But I was and still am open to someone coming up with a similar or better one.