All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - Part 90

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[Micromind]

Snyder is capable of making a better movie than we got, but the problem is - when MOS 2 is released with Snyder as director, some critics (and fans) will groan Snyder again ? really ?

Then there's Goyer who is needed otherwise DC movie have a tendency to stray away from the source material, but while Goyer is good at developing ideas and story, his plot structuring and dialogue just kill the movie, so if there's another writer teamed up with him fine.

Goyer all by himself does not inspire confidence.

 

[Micromind]

WB will most likely keep Goyer and Snyder (and Zimmer) on MOS 2, let's hope that some other writer is involved with the script.

 

[Tanin]

All of Syder's adaptions have been pretty faithful to the comics. Whether or not people liked them was a different matter.

This film doesn't really feel like a Snyder film. No colorful composition. It was completely dreadful in color tone. No slow motion at all. None of the 'flare' he usually puts into his comic adaptions. It just didn't feel like his film to me even though I loved it. It felt more like he was imitating Nolan and that disappointed me.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Snyder is capable of making a better movie than we got, but the problem is - when MOS 2 is released with Snyder as director, some critics (and fans) will groan Snyder again ? really ?

Then there's Goyer who is needed otherwise DC movie have a tendency to stray away from the source material, but while Goyer is good at developing ideas and story is plot structuring and dialogue just kill the movie, so if there's another writer teamed up with him fine.

Goyer all by himself does not inspire confidence.

Amen to this.

You know what i don't understand?

How some of the problems can seem so glaringly obvious to me, and seem so easily resolved, that I don't understand how they made it into the final version of the film...

It truly baffles me that no one was watching parts of it and went 'you know what, that sounds a bit silly' or 'hmm, I don't think that quite works that way'.

I know there are some things about the film that I dislike because of a matter of taste.

But there were several points where I literally had to roll my eyes, because it felt like the writing was on par with episodes of Smallville.

 

[Micromind]

If Lex Luthor is villain, then get Jonah Nolan, I am sure he will write a great script (just want someone to reign him from writing a 400 page script again)

 

[Herolee10]

Amen to this.

You know what i don't understand?

How some of the problems can seem so glaringly obvious to me, and seem so easily resolved, that I don't understand how they made it into the final version of the film...

It truly baffles me that no one was watching parts of it and went 'you know what, that sounds a bit silly' or 'hmm, I don't think that quite works that way'.

I know there are some things about the film that I dislike because of a matter of taste.

But there were several points where I literally had to roll my eyes, because it felt like the writing was on par with episodes of Smallville.

You know, I was hoping that given the fact that they had extra time to spot the mistakes and potentially change them due to the fact that they were given like a 6 months' extension from their original shooting date that they could have tidied up some of the problems that the film currently has.

Personally, I think they should bring Jonathan Nolan as an official screenwriter to help Goyer and any other credible writer that respects and understands Superman and his set of characters.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Why not hire Paul Dini as a co-writer?

 

[Willi Berg]

This film doesn't really feel like a Snyder film. No colorful composition. It was completely dreadful in color tone. No slow motion at all. None of the 'flare' he usually puts into his comic adaptions. It just didn't feel like his film to me even though I loved it. It felt more like he was imitating Nolan and that disappointed me.

I like Snyder's movies, and I have to agree in a way. It's like he was defensive about being called artificial or being the guy who always uses slo-mo so he deliberately stayed away from that, when there were times when I wouldn't have minded if he did use his usual techniques in certain parts of the action.

Then there's Goyer who is needed otherwise DC movie have a tendency to stray away from the source material, but while Goyer is good at developing ideas and story, his plot structuring and dialogue just kill the movie, so if there's another writer teamed up with him fine.

Goyer all by himself does not inspire confidence.

If Lex Luthor is villain, then get Jonah Nolan, I am sure he will write a great script (just want someone to reign him from writing a 400 page script again)

I have to agree with this. I get nervous about Goyer because he doesn't have anyone to balance him out. I do think the Batman movies were more subtle and intricate (when they were at their best) because of the collaboration with Jonah Nolan. I would want the MOS sequel to have more subtleties in terms of the main villain plot esp. if it is someone like Lex Luthor, a human in the "real world" that needs to be more complex and also relevant.

 

[Willi Berg]

How some of the problems can seem so glaringly obvious to me, and seem so easily resolved, that I don't understand how they made it into the final version of the film...

It truly baffles me that no one was watching parts of it and went 'you know what, that sounds a bit silly' or 'hmm, I don't think that quite works that way'.

I know there are some things about the film that I dislike because of a matter of taste.

But there were several points where I literally had to roll my eyes, because it felt like the writing was on par with episodes of Smallville.

As much as I enjoyed the movie, I felt this way about parts of the movie too.

 

[Project862006]

All of Syder's adaptions have been pretty faithful to the comics. Whether or not people liked them was a different matter.

This film doesn't really feel like a Snyder film. No colorful composition. It was completely dreadful in color tone. No slow motion at all. None of the 'flare' he usually puts into his comic adaptions. It just didn't feel like his film to me even though I loved it. It felt more like he was imitating Nolan and that disappointed me.

this looked nothing like a nolan film just because it was'nt all sepia and hyper stylized does'nt mean it isn't a snyder film

film while not as bombastic and hyper looking was still beautiful to look at and looked nor felt a thing like nolan

 

[Herolee10]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but did anyone else feel like at times that "Man of Steel" is like potentially three different films intertwined into One?

I mean we have:

1. The Last Days of Krypton

2. The Origins of "Clark Kent"

3. Sequel (When I mean Sequel, I mean things like the whole Zod Invasion angle and stuff because we've been so used to seeing Superman deal with Earthbound villains within the first films of a potential franchise along with seeing Superman go through the whole "Daily Planet" introduction routine in the middle of the story and getting established with his heroics while in costume as well)

 

[Tanin]

this looked nothing like a nolan film just because it was'nt all sepia and hyper stylized does'nt mean it isn't a snyder film

film while not as bombastic and hyper looking was still beautiful to look at and looked nor felt a thing like nolan

It was like Batman Begins in tone and color scheme unlike most Superman comics. Darker and less colorful then the source material. This felt more like trying to stay in Nolan's vision of DC then it did Snyder doing his own take on Superman.

I can tell Snyder directed it. It just feels like he had barely any control like he did before. If you can't see any of Nolan imitation in this film at all then you watched a different movie then I did.

 

[Willi Berg]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but did anyone else feel like at times that "Man of Steel" is like potentially three different films intertwined into One?

I mean we have:

1. The Last Days of Krypton

2. The Origins of "Clark Kent"

3. Sequel (When I mean Sequel, I mean things like the whole Zod Invasion angle and stuff because we've been so used to seeing Superman deal with Earthbound villains within the first films of a potential franchise along with seeing Superman go through the whole "Daily Planet" introduction routine in the middle of the story and getting established with his heroics while in costume as well)

It's a lot to cover, as well as tying all that to the "two fathers" theme, where every flashback ties into Jonathan Kent's philosophy and the Zod plot ties to Jor-El's story. It is a lot. And it is similar to "Batman Begins" but somehow BB had more time to explore its themes. Maybe because there is a bigger burden on MOS with the whole Krypton story taking up time and that tying to the villain plot as well.

 

[Herolee10]

It's a lot to cover, as well as tying all that to the "two fathers" theme, where every flashback ties into Jonathan Kent's philosophy and the Zod plot ties to Jor-El's story. It is a lot. And it is similar to "Batman Begins" but somehow BB had more time to explore its themes. Maybe because there is a bigger burden on MOS with the whole Krypton story taking up time and that tying to the villain plot as well.

Definitely, plus the essential parts of Bruce's childhood is mainly covered with the biggest plot point of his origin and that's the death of his parents but "Man of Steel" had to cover more than that when it came to the different periods of Clark's youth.

I think the sequel will have a easier time juggling things now that they've gotten the origin out of the way.

 

[sf2]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but did anyone else feel like at times that "Man of Steel" is like potentially three different films intertwined into One?

I mean we have:

1. The Last Days of Krypton

2. The Origins of "Clark Kent"

3. Sequel (When I mean Sequel, I mean things like the whole Zod Invasion angle and stuff because we've been so used to seeing Superman deal with Earthbound villains within the first films of a potential franchise along with seeing Superman go through the whole "Daily Planet" introduction routine in the middle of the story and getting established with his heroics while in costume as well)

That's why it's an epic!
Be able to tell everything in a short period of time compellingly and completely.

 

[Project862006]

It's a lot to cover, as well as tying all that to the "two fathers" theme, where every flashback ties into Jonathan Kent's philosophy and the Zod plot ties to Jor-El's story. It is a lot. And it is similar to "Batman Begins" but somehow BB had more time to explore its themes. Maybe because there is a bigger burden on MOS with the whole Krypton story taking up time and that tying to the villain plot as well.

BB had far less material than MOS

mos easily could of been 3 hours long

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You know, I was hoping that given the fact that they had extra time to spot the mistakes and potentially change them due to the fact that they were given like a 6 months' extension from their original shooting date that they could have tidied up some of the problems that the film currently has.

Personally, I think they should bring Jonathan Nolan as an official screenwriter to help Goyer and any other credible writer that respects and understands Superman and his set of characters.

That what I mean though.

They must have noticed if I noticed.

I can only think that they just didn't BOTHER to fine tune. That they just thought 'oh it's fine'.

Which bugs me a lot.

 

[Project862006]

sure it had problems but so did tdkr(especially this and this had jonah on it)

but not so much that it can ruin ones experience

 

[rohitiyer]

I feel like MOS was just Birthright without all the good stuff, namely:

-Clark travelling around the world, but as a competent journalist.
-Aliens invade the earth, but they aren't real and therefore cause no real damage.
-Superman gets to see his parents, and his dad isn't a video game tutorial.

The best (and most unique) stuff IMO was:

-Lois discovering Clark's secret early on.
-This being a Clark Kent origin story instead of a Superman one.

 

[STARMAN]

MOS was closer to Superman Earth One than Birthright.

 

[Herolee10]

sure it had problems but so did tdkr(especially this and this had jonah on it)

but not so much that it can ruin ones experience

Tis true; and both films (MOS and TDKR) had massive expectations from people going into them, with the latter probably having more due to the success of TDK before it.

You know, aside from the great spectacle that was the action in MOS, I actually found myself really enjoying the quieter scenes within the film. Snyder definitely has a knack for capturing some beautiful/memorable moments that don't require CGI doubles or explosions placed into them and I was a fan of how he had shots of just like the sky and certain objects in the background added to the scenes.


Also, I was a fan of how he went about doing the whole "You are not alone" sequence. I think that was like the first sequence that I've seen in a superman film that evoked such an unsettling sense of terror from the antagonist on that massive scale without actually having action inside of it.

 

[Herolee10]

MOS was closer to Superman Earth One than Birthright.

True, especially since Earth One also had Pa Kent having passed away in it as well, though for different reasons than the one presented in MOS. along with the main antagonist having arrived on Earth due to looking for Clark and threatening it at first by demanding that they turn him over.

But the good difference here imho is that Clark was shown being more of a hero before his costumed days in MOS than he was in Earth One. My god, the level of reluctance that he had in Earth One in just helping people with his powers was just beyond terrible, it's like he felt everything in life was a curse due to his powers, where it wasn't so much the case in MOS.

 

[sf2]

That what I mean though.

They must have noticed if I noticed.

I can only think that they just didn't BOTHER to fine tune. That they just thought 'oh it's fine'.

Which bugs me a lot.

Why you wanna think in that way to bug yourself???
Surely they have thought it's the best way for them to present it to us.
U just don't get used to the style. that's all.

Btw, I thought u like it a lot? Or by 2nd viewing u got a different opinion?