All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - Part 90

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I think a lot my issues also stem from this being an origin story, so there's always that much more to nitpick and so much more source material to compare to.

This happened with The Amazing Spider-Man as well. Liked it a lot, but it had too much overlap with the first Spider-Man to give you any sense of something new.

Here's hoping both TASM 2 and MOS 2 have some room to spread their wings and truly fly.
 
Yeah. I didn't like Clark in Superman Earth One.
 
I'm not sure if I'm the only one thinking this, but did anyone else feel like at times that "Man of Steel" is like potentially three different films intertwined into One?

I mean we have:

1. The Last Days of Krypton

2. The Origins of "Clark Kent"

3. Sequel (When I mean Sequel, I mean things like the whole Zod Invasion angle and stuff because we've been so used to seeing Superman deal with Earthbound villains within the first films of a potential franchise along with seeing Superman go through the whole "Daily Planet" introduction routine in the middle of the story and getting established with his heroics while in costume as well)
Ironically, they used to say that about S:TM.
The three sections in that flm were a bit different though.
1.Krypton.
2.Smallvile.
3.Daily Planet/Luthor.
 
Since I'm back at the old homestead for one more night I decided to rummage through my old comics and found my copy of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?. I hadn't read it since childhood, and I remember hating it, because of all the death and dismantling of Superman's life. But now understanding it's context, and who Alan Moore and Curt Swan are, and it's many references, I read it and now appreciate it as a masterpiece. It also reminded me again how important Superman's sacred oath not to kill is, especially for him. :(
 
Also, I was a fan of how he went about doing the whole "You are not alone" sequence. I think that was like the first sequence that I've seen in a superman film that evoked such an unsettling sense of terror from the antagonist on that massive scale without actually having action inside of it.

That was well-done. Also in a kind of old-fashioned sci-fi movie kind of way.

it's like he felt everything in life was a curse due to his powers, where it wasn't so much the case in MOS.

In MOS, you do get the sense that he really does want to do more, if only he had more answers.
 
Since I'm back at the old homestead for one more night I decided to rummage through my old comics and found my copy of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?. I hadn't read it since childhood, and I remember hating it, because of all the death and dismantling of Superman's life. But now understanding it's context, and who Alan Moore and Curt Swan are, and it's many references, I read it and now appreciate it as a masterpiece. It also reminded me again how important Superman's sacred oath not to kill is, especially for him. :(

I have this book and may revisit it soon. Haven't read it in ages.

I think a lot my issues also stem from this being an origin story, so there's always that much more to nitpick and so much more source material to compare to.

This happened with The Amazing Spider-Man as well. Liked it a lot, but it had too much overlap with the first Spider-Man to give you any sense of something new.

Here's hoping both TASM 2 and MOS 2 have some room to spread their wings and truly fly.

I hope so. I remember there was some negative reaction to TASM when it first came out but people are revisiting it and not judging it as harshly. And similar to MOS, it got some mixed reviews but still opened successfully. I think that they are similar in that they both established something good that can be improved upon in the sequel.
 
So Steel made 20 million this weekend. It's held up pretty well !
 
I don't know why you would compare this to The Amazing Spider-man, though. I had low expectations for both movies, but I loved this, and hated Marc Webb's movie. Which is probably one of the most useless, uncreative and dull blockbusters to grace the screen in the last few years. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, really stuck out on that movie. Not one memorable element.

This had its flaws, but damn if it was an interesting take on Superman, and exciting movie. Despite being an origin story and feauturing characters from the original two movies, it was fresh, interesting, had personality, well-acted, better directed than I thought it'd be (Zack Snyder definitely showed more personality on this one than Webb did on ASM, despite lacking some self-control, which I hope he'll have on a sequel), and overall just a damn fun ride. It is what I thought The Avengers lacked. The right amount of edge, and STAKES, which make you care about the characters, the destiny of Earth, and therefore make the action more interesting, "interactive" and fun (which was far more visceral, sometimes almost too visceral, than the - to me boring - let's slap some aliens in a mild manner).
 
Amen to this.

You know what i don't understand?

How some of the problems can seem so glaringly obvious to me, and seem so easily resolved, that I don't understand how they made it into the final version of the film...


It truly baffles me that no one was watching parts of it and went 'you know what, that sounds a bit silly' or 'hmm, I don't think that quite works that way'.

I know there are some things about the film that I dislike because of a matter of taste.

But there were several points where I literally had to roll my eyes, because it felt like the writing was on par with episodes of Smallville.

considering who co-wrote the story and then singed off on the script and film as producer it definitely is a wonder how anything as obvious as you suggest made it past the cutting room floor indeed.
 
It's made 248 domestically.
Wondering what it's updated overseas total will be.
 
I don't know why you would compare this to The Amazing Spider-man, though. I had low expectations for both movies, but I loved this, and hated Marc Webb's movie. Which is probably one of the most useless, uncreative and dull blockbusters to grace the screen in the last few years. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, really stuck out on that movie. Not one memorable element.

This had its flaws, but damn if it was an interesting take on Superman, and exciting movie. Despite being an origin story and feauturing characters from the original two movies, it was fresh, interesting, had personality, well-acted, better directed than I thought it'd be (Zack Snyder definitely showed more personality on this one than Webb did on ASM, despite lacking some self-control, which I hope he'll have on a sequel), and overall just a damn fun ride. It is what I thought The Avengers lacked. The right amount of edge, and STAKES, which make you care about the characters, the destiny of Earth, and therefore make the action more interesting, "interactive" and fun (which was far more visceral, sometimes almost too visceral, than the - to me boring - let's slap some aliens in a mild manner).

I just meant that since they're both origin stories that have already been told, there's a lot more to nitpick.

I quite liked TASM, but I can understand why some would hate it. I too was a tad disappointed by it. But now I have high hopes for both sequels.
 
I just meant that since they're both origin stories that have already been told, there's a lot more to nitpick.

I quite liked TASM, but I can understand why some would hate it. I too was a tad disappointed by it. But now I have high hopes for both sequels.

You know, but I think "they're both origin stories" is too limiting, as I think they're very different movies. Both telling the origins, even though I think the first contact between Superman and Earth after a self-searching journey is really more the heart of the story here, doesn't make them have much more in common, you know? The Amazing Spider-Man was as paint by numbers (the usual we see the hero before he's "super," he becomes super, the villain is born, we see the hero on his first missions, chasing minor criminals, then we cut back and forth between a love story/personal life and his fight against the villain - the end, and all that without a particular charme, or anything, except for a young adult/teen-movie angle which I couldn't stand, and really reminded me too much of entries such as the Twilight saga, I am Number four, and/or whatever other teen-fantasy flickes have been released lately) as you could get, while Man of Steel definitely tried something different, and pretty much broke out of the mold.

And unless the ASM sequels goes in a completely different direction, I couldn't care less for it. On the other side, SHOW ME THE MAN OF STEEL SEQUEL!!!
 
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Already way more than BB. Superman has a big audience again and hopefully a sequel must now be on the cards.
 
But that's so completely unrealistic, especially for a film that claimed to be taking a realistic approach.

Goyer kept on and on about showing how the world would ACTUALLY REACT to an alien. How the military would react etc.

Does he seriously think, that if Superman existed in the real world, the government would just 'help him keep his secret?'

Not a chance

After the MOS events, they could tell the public he's full-time Superman cooperating with the government.

The government asks Lois for all her contacts to make people stay silent. They would want to keep Superman close and in secret for a variety of reasons: they may look at him as weapon and don't want anyone else to find out things about him before they do and he's a national asset. More importantly, they would want the public perception to be that they are in control of Superman. They would try to manage Superman as much as possible, but Superman isn't going to be their puppet 24/7 so they arrange to protect his identity allowing him to have a life outside Superman.

I think that's within the realm of realistic plausibility - government withholding information, cover-ups, and protecting identity.

In the meantime, there would be a debate whether Superman is a savior or the cause of the destruction and how much he can be trusted. Lex could expose the government's actions as a conspiracy and play up people's fears demanding that Superman leave Earth.

I do agree though that the movie didn't really cover the world's reaction because it ended right after the battle. However they did show the military didn't just accept him right away and they do play up the fear through Jonathan Kent and Perry White that the world would be uncomfortable.
 
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Domestic: $248,660,000 47.8%
+ Foreign: $271,700,000 52.2%
= Worldwide: $520,360,000
 
Official Warner Bros. Press Release!

BURBANK, Calif.--(via BUSINESS WIRE)--June 30, 2013--
After flying into the record books in its opening, Warner Bros. Pictures' and Legendary Pictures' "Man of Steel" continues to soar at the box office. The film crossed the $500 million mark on Saturday, June 29. The announcement was made today by Warner Bros. Pictures President of Domestic Distribution, Dan Fellman, and President of International Distribution, Veronika Kwan Vandenberg.

The film has earned $248.7 million domestically, and $271.7 internationally, for a worldwide total of $520.4, to date. "Man of Steel" opened at the top of the box office in the U.S. and Canada, with the biggest June release ever. The film opened at number one in many international territories, and continues its roll out with record-breaking bows. The film is still to open in Brazil and Japan.

The film continues to set records worldwide in IMAX(R) theatres, where it has earned an estimated $27 million domestically and $18.9 million internationally, for a worldwide total of $45.9 million.

Dan Fellman stated, "This success for 'Man of Steel' is a great 75(th) birthday present for this iconic character. The film took Superman back to his roots for a new generation of moviegoers, who have once again embraced Krypton and Kansas' favorite son. The film's strong Cinemascore tells us that word of mouth should keep the 'Man of Steel' flying through the summer."

Veronika Kwan Vandenberg said, "We're so excited by the international response to the film and congratulate Zack and everyone involved in the movie on reaching this milestone. We look forward to bringing the film to the rest of the world in the weeks ahead."

Sue Kroll, Warner Bros. Pictures President, Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, noted, "'Man of Steel' is an extraordinary achievement by wonderful talents on both sides of the camera. Zack Snyder, along with his cast and fellow filmmakers, created a story that has connected with audiences of all ages and in every quadrant of the world. We are so proud of the film, which has brought a new vision of the man and the myth to those just discovering Superman, as well as lifelong fans."

From Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures comes "Man of Steel, "(TM) starring Henry Cavill in the role of Clark Kent/Kal-El under the direction of Zack Snyder.

A young boy learns that he has extraordinary powers and is not of this Earth. As a young man, he journeys to discover where he came from and what he was sent here to do. But the hero in him must emerge if he is to save the world from annihilation and become the symbol of hope for all mankind.

The film also stars four-time Oscar(R) nominee Amy Adams ("The Master"), Oscar(R) nominee Michael Shannon ("Revolutionary Road"), Academy Award(R) winner Kevin Costner ("Dances with Wolves"), Oscar(R) nominee Diane Lane ("Unfaithful"), Oscar(R) nominee Laurence Fishburne ("What's Love Got to Do with It"), Antje Traue, Ayelet Zurer, Christopher Meloni, and Academy Award(R) winner Russell Crowe ("Gladiator").

"Man of Steel" is produced by Charles Roven, Christopher Nolan, Emma Thomas and Deborah Snyder. The screenplay was written by David S. Goyer from a story by Goyer & Nolan, based upon Superman characters created by Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster and published by DC Entertainment. Thomas Tull, Lloyd Phillips and Jon Peters served as executive producers.

Warner Bros. Pictures presents, in association with Legendary Pictures, a Syncopy Production, a Zack Snyder Film, "Man of Steel." The film is being released in 2D and 3D in select theaters and IMAX(R) , and is being distributed worldwide by Warner Bros. Pictures, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company. This film has been rated PG-13 for intense sequences of sci-fi violence, action and destruction, and for some language.
 
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So about that horrible word of mouth....
I think 520 million in 3 weeks disagrees.
Sure hype had a play but if a film had truly god awful wom it wouldn't make that much in such a short amount of time.
 
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