All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - Part 90

[ConnorKon-El]

I just think the flashback scenes and the way they were paced didn't quite work out the way Snyder and Goyer envisioned they would. *shrugs*
When you write a story and have important character moments displayed in flashback scenes, it really comes up to the editing and editor to make everything cohesively come together. I'll be honest, first time I saw the film it was a tad jarring.

 

[PacificBoy]

Actually I liked the stylistic use of the the non-chronological flashbacks because it approximates how human Clark's memories were, looking or flashing back when prompted by something in the present. But the pacing and editing of it took me out of it. I'd have preferred the movie starting with Clark saving the crew from the burning oil rig, with Krypton told as a flashback and Zod introduced only at the transmission to earth - would build up Zod more as a menacing figure in my opinion.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Who did that? Shouldn't her skinsuit be just like Kal's since it's the one he found in the ship?

Speaking of the skinsuits. When Jor gets into his armor to defend his home he's wearing "the" suit. In the movie it's clear that it's blue but all the other colors are washed out, like they didnt want to have him in it. Weird I know, but reading the scene I always thought it would be cool to see Jor in the actual suit with the colors right and everything.

She had a gray one on in the prequel comic...and then there is the one that Kal-El found in the Fortress...

 

[C. Lee]

I've watched all type of Tv shows or movies that used flashbacks as part of the story telling...it never bothered me. Kung Fu, Highlander, and Momento come quickly to mind.

 

[roach]

I've watched all type of Tv shows or movies that used flashbacks as part of the story telling...it never bothered me. Kung Fu, Highlander, and Momento come quickly to mind.

and Lost

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I have such a love and hate relationship with Lost lol

I didn't really have a problem with the way the flashbacks were presented. That being said I prefer the way Begins showed the main character's life. But I can get why Snyder and Goyer showed the flashbacks the way they did and why it wasn't as in depth as Begins. Aside from Bruce's parents getting shot, most of the GA didn't know Batman's origin THAT well before Begins at least. Most didn't know the different literations on what happened after Bruce suffered the loss of his parents.
With MOS, you had ten years of Smallville as well as the Donner film and everyone knowing about the ship crashing in the farm fields and being raised by a couple. I can see why Snyder and Goyer didn't want audiences sitting through a crapload of origin.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah. One thing that I hate to see in superhero movies is when they get so focused on the villains and the side characters that it feels like the hero isn't the central focus. We saw it happen in ALL of the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies, we saw it in Superman Returns and we saw it a little bit in TDK.

I'm glad we didn't see that happen in MOS, at least I didn't feel that way. They kept the focus on the hero, where it belongs.

Yeah I totally agree

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I know that Snyder can do a properly paced film, he's done it before. I think Goyer is just a really lousy screenwriter.

I think Goyer's OKAY, if he has good people to back him up. BUT I want someone else to do the dialog for sequels. I also wouldn't mind Snyder taking a break for the sequel (especially if it's a calmer narrative), but I want him to go back for MOS3. This would allow Zack to make another movie on his own, but also allow for a different style for the sequel.

I feel like Zack would make an epic JLA movie, if he has someone GREAT writing the script.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I've watched all type of Tv shows or movies that used flashbacks as part of the story telling...it never bothered me. Kung Fu, Highlander, and Momento come quickly to mind.

Yeah. I know a lot of people found that aspect of the film jarring, but it didn't bother me one bit. I also found the pacing fine. I was totally engrossed in the movie.

 

[STARMAN]

The flashbacks didn't bother me. I was bothered by a couple of things in the second half of the film.

 

[InJustice]

I watched MOS when it came out, and by luck I caught a TV channel airing Batman Begins once I came home. You'd be surprised how similar they are (not really, but you get the drift)...the flashbacks were still jarring even in BB.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The only thing that really bugged me about the movie was the nanotech stuff on Krypton and in the Fortress/scout ship. It sort of took me out of the movie because it reminded me of A Trip to the Moon. Maybe when I see it again I'll like it more though... it could just be that it was something I didn't really expect and that was somewhat jarring.

 

[C. Lee]

The only thing that really bugged me about the movie was the nanotech stuff on Krypton and in the Fortress/scout ship. It sort of took me out of the movie because it reminded me of A Trip to the Moon. Maybe when I see it again I'll like it more though... it could just be that it was something I didn't really expect and that was somewhat jarring.

I don't understand your "A Trip to the Moon" reference.....it's been years since I saw the movie, but nothing about it came to mind when I watched MoS.

And I personally love nanotech use in science fiction. I mentioned many years ago that I thought it might be a good idea to have his suit some kind of Kryptonian nanotech.

 

[BH/HHH]

The only thing that really bugged me about the movie was the nanotech stuff on Krypton and in the Fortress/scout ship. It sort of took me out of the movie because it reminded me of A Trip to the Moon. Maybe when I see it again I'll like it more though... it could just be that it was something I didn't really expect and that was somewhat jarring.

I loved that, I think it really shows how advanced the Kryptonians really are. I'm actually interested to see if that nanotechnology has any bearing on how Clark wears the costume under his clothes in the sequel.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I for one loved the kryptonian nano-tech.

 

[The Ironstar]

I like this:

[YT]nO-uN-EyEjM[/YT]

 

[ThreadPool]

I didn't have problem with the flashbacks, but I think that all boils down to taste.
One criticism that rang completely false to me was the ID4 comparison.
I actually consciously said to myself that I would look for that... I didn't think about it once during any of my three showings.

 

[X Knight]

so maybe a subplot in MOS2 could be Clark trying to learn more about the ancestor the scout ship belonged to......

I mean, you'd think he'd be a tad curious...........

 

[Showtime]

I wonder if Man Of Steel gets a Big Bang Theory boost....heh.

 

[Herolee10]

so maybe a subplot in MOS2 could be Clark trying to learn more about the ancestor the scout ship belonged to......

I mean, you'd think he'd be a tad curious...........

Given the fact that he pretty much let go of his kryptonian past when he sided with Humanity, I don't think it'll be something that he'll be constantly thinking about in the sequel.

 

[Smallville13]

It would be nice if over the course of this trilogy we see Zack Snyder grow as a director. That would make it all worth it to me. If we can see the evolution. I think he has so much potential. The cinematography in MOS is absolutely beautiful, I can't fault it at all. It's just the pacing and editing where Snyder stumbles, but I don't know if it's entirely his fault. At some point you're just following what's on the script, which is all Goyer.

 

[tomoe]

It would be nice if over the course of this trilogy we see Zack Snyder grow as a director. That would make it all worth it to me. If we can see the evolution. I think he has so much potential. The cinematography in MOS is absolutely beautiful, I can't fault it at all. It's just the pacing and editing where Snyder stumbles, but I don't know if it's entirely his fault. At some point you're just following what's on the script, which is all Goyer.

I dunno... he's had plenty of movies to 'evolve' but really hasn't. I don't want him to 'practice' his moviemaking with MOS. I'd rather MOS sequels be handed over to a director who has already proven himself.

 

[Smallville13]

I dunno... he's had plenty of movies to 'evolve' but really hasn't. I don't want him to 'practice' his moviemaking with MOS. I'd rather MOS sequels be handed over to a director who has already proven himself.

I think Snyder has been growing for a while. I felt Watchmen was a huge improvement over 300, and showed his directing mature. Let's just avoid Sucker Punch, and put it down to Snyder excising his demons. But MOS is leaps and bounds again. No longer do we have the sterile visuals. The film kept as grounded look throughout even when the visuals got surreal. The handheld style really added to this as well. And he avoided his signature slow-mo.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Snyder has been growing for a while. I felt Watchmen was a huge improvement over 300, and showed his directing mature. Let's just avoid Sucker Punch, and put it down to Snyder excising his demons. But MOS is leaps and bounds again. No longer do we have the sterile visuals. The film kept as grounded look throughout even when the visuals got surreal. The handheld style really added to this as well. And he avoided his signature slow-mo.

Agreed and he was also the one responsible for assembling the impressive cast that we had in Man of Steel. I mean, what are the chances that we would have gotten the likes of Henry and Amy in their respective roles if the film had been in the hands of a different director?

And he does know how to direct some great action scenes. Honestly, I don’t think he was so much of a problem for the film like some are pointing out. It’s true that he’s not the best story teller in the world but if he’s given a great script, I think he can do well off of it.

Just have someone help Goyer with the next one and we should be better off. And plus, Snyder seems to at least respect the character, at least better than other directors who have tried to direct a superman film.

 

[sabetoonth]

Hey, has anyone noticed that Superman is part of the House of El? Well I think Im gonna get a big YES to that, but here's my sudden realization/thought. In Hebrew "el' is a suffix that means "of god/god" So in languages from our planet Superman is from the house of God. Just thought I'd mention that.

On what's being talked about right now:
Didn't Snyder do a little bit of work on the script too? Or did I just make that up from thin air? I really enjoyed the movie so honestly I'd rather nobody really be lost that we don't have to lose between MOS and MOS2 talent wise, in front of and behind the camera