All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - Part 90

[br0adband]

anyone watch empire snyder video interview he said feudal japan was his influence for krypton and it's mythology

Nope, never seen it. I listened to the podcast from Empire but don't recall them discussing feudal Japan as any kind of inspiration but now that you stated this it does tend to seem similar in some respects.

Now's the point where I say:

"Ok, time for you to share that link..."

 

[InJustice]

See, this guy gets it.

What'd I get? haha.

 

[Project862006]

Nope, never seen it. I listened to the podcast from Empire but don't recall them discussing feudal Japan as any kind of inspiration but now that you stated this it does tend to seem similar in some respects.

Now's the point where I say:

"Ok, time for you to share that link..."

http://www.empireonline.com.au/news/interviews/2013/6/man-of-steel-zack-snyder/

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Hasn't the destruction of Krypton always been an example of humans sprint to destroying out own planet? Just in MOS how it happened was explained more.

 

[Mad Love]

Did the family survive or not? It looks like Superman screams at the end because he sees their dead body

He screams because he was forced to kill Zod. He didn't want to.

 

[bluearth]

He screams because he was forced to kill Zod. He didn't want to.

That was my initial thoughts. But in the scene there is a long delay between him killing Zod and the scream. Also hes looking straight ahead and his expression slowly turns to anguish and he screams, like he just saw their bodies.

Until theres confirmation from Snyder or Goyer or someone that they lived the possibility, even if unlikely remains.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the family survived. The delay between him killing zod and the scream was to let it soak in for the viewer. Dramatic effect.

 

[Tempest]

That was my initial thoughts. But in the scene there is a long delay between him killing Zod and the scream. Also hes looking straight ahead and his expression slowly turns to anguish and he screams, like he just saw their bodies.

Until theres confirmation from Snyder or Goyer or someone that they lived the possibility, even if unlikely remains.

I think it was mainly because it took him a moment to absorb the enormity of what had just happened. His people are, as far as he knows, now completely gone. He helped destroy the ship that held the fragile, potential new lives, the other Kryptons are now dead (I assume), and worst of all, he'd been forced to do something that I'm sure horrifies him -- he had to kill someone, and do it in a brutal way.

PLUS on top of all that, the city is literally falling around him, people are probably still dying. He probably felt over-whelmed, guilt-ridden, exhausted, sad, and angry.

It's also my favorite part of the movie. I love that he's sort of teetering on this edge of madness, maybe ready to sink into despair and loneliness, and then Lois shows up and just holds him.

But er...no, I don't think the family died. I think it just took a few moments for everything to sink in for Clark.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Really? This is a question? If the family died it would change the reason for why he killed Zod; from protecting the family to dishing out his own execution to avenge the death of the family.

 

[Marvin]

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say the family survived. The delay between him killing zod and the scream was to let it soak in for the viewer. Dramatic effect.

Would be interesting to see that family interviewed in MOS2.
Would be even more interesting to see that family interviewed after having met with Luthor...TDK levels of interesting to me that would be.

 

[sf2]

That was my initial thoughts. But in the scene there is a long delay between him killing Zod and the scream. Also hes looking straight ahead and his expression slowly turns to anguish and he screams, like he just saw their bodies.

Until theres confirmation from Snyder or Goyer or someone that they lived the possibility, even if unlikely remains.

it's obvious that the family survived. why do you wanna think the other way??? just to upset yourself and make yourself hate the movie???

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i don't know if this has been brought up with the superman jesus analogy but, jesus supposedly started his ministry at 30 and died at 33. superman is revealed to the world at 33. i just thought most of you should have that useless information. thanks for your time.

 

[sf2]

i don't know if this has been brought up with the superman jesus analogy but, jesus supposedly started his ministry at 30 and died at 33. superman is revealed to the world at 33. i just thought most of you should have that useless information. thanks for your time.

which mean??? don't get u.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

which mean??? don't get u.

the second coming.

 

[Bruce Malone]

i don't know if this has been brought up with the superman jesus analogy but, jesus supposedly started his ministry at 30 and died at 33. superman is revealed to the world at 33. i just thought most of you should have that useless information. thanks for your time.

Yeah that's been brought up quite a bit. The whole jesus analogy in the film was less under the nose and more hit you over the head.

You literally had jesus christ over superman's shoulder in one shot for about a minute.

As for the 33 thing i think it's silly they aged up superman just to fit into the jesus analogy. I think 30 would have been the perfect age for clark to have become superman and i think it's the traditional age as well. 33 seems a little old for a just started superman.

 

[sf2]

Yeah that's been brought up quite a bit. The whole jesus analogy in the film was less under the nose and more hit you over the head.

You literally had jesus christ over superman's shoulder in one shot for about a minute.

As for the 33 thing i think it's silly they aged up superman just to fit into the jesus analogy. I think 30 would have been the perfect age for clark to have become superman and i think it's the traditional age as well. 33 seems a little old for a just started superman.

i didn't notice the analogy at all. perhaps i was too concentrate on the movie.

but is it a bad thing the analogy?

 

[shallbecomeabat]

That was my initial thoughts. But in the scene there is a long delay between him killing Zod and the scream. Also hes looking straight ahead and his expression slowly turns to anguish and he screams, like he just saw their bodies.

Until theres confirmation from Snyder or Goyer or someone that they lived the possibility, even if unlikely remains.

No, thats crap. Do you really think they would leave something like that that ambiguous? Never. He pauses because he needs a second to process what he just did, nothing more. They did not die. That would make the whole scene pointless.
Apart from that, I seem to recall that you can see them leave after Zod is dead. Not a full shot of them, but at the side of the frame, I believe? I will look out for that when I see it again this week, but still. They lived.

 

[Bruce Malone]

i didn't notice the analogy at all. perhaps i was too concentrate on the movie.

but is it a bad thing the analogy?

Yeah i don't agree with it. I don't think superman needs to be depicted as a jesus figure that's not his role and just muddles things up.

I don't think it was until donner added those aspects to his film that the superman=jesus notion was ever a thing. Superman's story as originated by his creators was more moses than anything.

 

[Project862006]

his name is Kal El and El in Hebrew means GOD

Jerry Siegel is Jewish it was not a coincidence

 

[sf2]

Yeah i don't agree with it. I don't think superman needs to be depicted as a jesus figure that's not his role and just muddles things up.

I don't think it was until donner added those aspects to his film that the superman=jesus notion was ever a thing. Superman's story as originated by his creators was more moses than anything.

i thought it is depend on the eyes of the beholder. if we are looking for it, we will find it and see it.
if you are not thinking about it, you won't see it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

his name is Kal El and El in Hebrew means GOD

Jerry Siegel is Jewish it was not a coincidence

Joel Schuster was as well.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Superman is in many ways a "secular messiah" type figure. The parallels between him and Jesus, or Moses or the hero/savior/god figures of the past is most likely Jungian in nature. His story is very much one of a messianic figure. In our western European based culture, guess who that's gonna remind people of most likely? It's not some add on by Donner either. It's some straight up "collective unconsciousness" jazz, brothers and sisters.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Superman by default of his powers in a real world would likely be revered as a god let's be real for sure, and it would actually be very interesting in the sequel to see people having that reaction to him (probably not likely though).

Either way with all of that do we really need the extra stuff like the Christ poses or the jesus over the shoulder or the 33 years old? We can make up our views without the film trying to guide us i guess?

 

[TheNextNolan22]

With all the spoiler gifsets of MOS appearing on Tumblr(and me reblogging every single one of them) it's going to be like 15 years before the DVD/Blu-Ray is released.

 

[BH/HHH]

it's obvious that the family survived. why do you wanna think the other way??? just to upset yourself and make yourself hate the movie???

I'm glad you said that tbh a friend of mine saw the film and asked me if Lois knows Clark is Superman. I said do u not remember the moment where he was in costume and she called him Clark lol some people really need to pay attention t: