All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Keyser Sushi]

Don't get me wrong, "traditional heroic values" are more than welcome, but in going that route, there's not really any set up for Diana in terms of how she fits into the world, and the conflicts and promise that entails.

In other words, the "politics" of the character aren't there the way they were in MOS and BVS.

And maybe that's something that's just going to be unique to Superman in the DCEU.

Or maybe they got tired of people whining about "dangling plot threads" and coherency.

I hear you. I feel like Zack in real life is like Superman in BvS: trying to do great things and being misunderstood by people who can't read the subtext.

The fear that WB would pull away from that level of storytelling has worried me for the last year. I defend BvS because, as much as anything, to do so is to defend storytelling as an art. I hope this is more a choice for Diana than a representation of the future of the DCEU.

And on that note, I am preparing to line up!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hear you. I feel like Zack in real life is like Superman in BvS: trying to do great things and being misunderstood by people who can't read the subtext.

The fear that WB would pull away from that level of storytelling has worried me for the last year. I defend BvS because, as much as anything, to do so is to defend storytelling as an art. I hope this is more a choice for Diana than a representation of the future of the DCEU.

And on that note, I am preparing to line up!

Nah.

 

[Patchwork Man]

So is there anyone complaining about Gal's acting at all and even saying she was terrible? There were quite a few people before the movie came out. Are they still of the same opinion?

I believe a fair number of them have been converted. The rest are suspiciously silent.

 

[Travesty]

I thought it was a really fun movie. I liked it a lot.

 

[Iceman]

Same here. I wouldn't have minded a return to there for the finale. Would've definitely been a more picturesque place and also a lot easier to see if it took place during the day.

Next time don't make the movie so visually dark in places.

I'd rather see exotic locations more with the few heroes we have with mythological backgrounds. Themyscira, Asgard, Atlantis etc. And I also agree on having fights in the day time. I much prefer being able to see everything clearly.

 

[Iceman]

I hear you. I feel like Zack in real life is like Superman in BvS: trying to do great things and being misunderstood by people who can't read the subtext.

The fear that WB would pull away from that level of storytelling has worried me for the last year. I defend BvS because, as much as anything, to do so is to defend storytelling as an art. I hope this is more a choice for Diana than a representation of the future of the DCEU.

And on that note, I am preparing to line up!

Subtext, theme and the like are elements that can turn a good film into a great or at least culturally important film. Even when done well, they don't really get their due when the base film isn't quite solid.

But regardless, hope you enjoy Wonder Woman!

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd rather see exotic locations more with the few heroes we have with mythological backgrounds. Themyscira, Asgard, Atlantis etc. And I also agree on having fights in the day time. I much prefer being able to see everything clearly.

As I said in the review thread

Spoiler

The final fight wasn't in the most exciting of locations and it was too damn dark to see some of it. I think they should've found some really interesting location for the end battle to act also as a good action set piece. Think of all the Indiana Jones movies and how they ended. Temple of Doom was with them dangling from that drawbridge.

Alfred Hitchcock understood this, which is why he had the climax of North by Northwest involving a chase across Mount Rushmore.

These superhero movies need to incorporate some classic elements from classic films so that these scenes become iconic. That ending of WW is not iconic. You won't talk about it in the same way as talking about the chase on Mount Rushmore or the crop duster and the cornfield scene in North by Northwest.

Had they set the final battle in Themyscira, they could've invented structures on which the characters can fight which aren't constricted by what you see in the real world.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Nah.

You say that, but a year ago I was on this board having to explain to people that there were character arcs and symbolism in everything in BvS, and mufuggas still deny it to this day.

By the way, I'm first in line for my screening!

 

[The Guard]

As I said in the review thread

Spoiler

The final fight wasn't in the most exciting of locations and it was too damn dark to see some of it. I think they should've found some really interesting location for the end battle to act also as a good action set piece. Think of all the Indiana Jones movies and how they ended. Temple of Doom was with them dangling from that drawbridge.

Alfred Hitchcock understood this, which is why he had the climax of North by Northwest involving a chase across Mount Rushmore.

These superhero movies need to incorporate some classic elements from classic films so that these scenes become iconic. That ending of WW is not iconic. You won't talk about it in the same way as talking about the chase on Mount Rushmore or the crop duster and the cornfield scene in North by Northwest.

Had they set the final battle in Themyscira, they could've invented structures on which the characters can fight which aren't constricted by what you see in the real world.

Agreed. Probably a question of budget.

I think we'll see that in the sequel.

I do think given the themes at play here that it took place probably about where it should have.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You say that, but a year ago I was on this board having to explain to people that there were character arcs and symbolism in everything in BvS, and mufuggas still deny it to this day.

By the way, I'm first in line for my screening!

Well considering we are talking storytelling as art, just because someone else doesn't see what you see, I don't think that is anyone denying something exist.

I don't find Snyder subtle in the least. His arcs and symbolism are rather apparent and on the nose, if not at times incoherent do the structure of his films themselves. I am a fan of Man of Steel, but it is a movie that has characters explaining everything.

Wonder Woman being "subtext" heavy would be really strange considering the story. One that at the focus features someone so honest, so earnest, she just shouts her feelings pretty much everywhere.

 

[omermer]

I just watched it for the second time. Took my whole family out to see it. My brothers and father loved it but my mom really really loved it and she can't stand action movies let alone comic book movies.

Also, Gal's accent didn't bother me as much as it did last time.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

DP, sorry. Seated!

 

[-Arya-]

Wonderful film. Left me in an emotional wreck by the end. I cried, I laughed and overall I enjoyed it immensely. There are problems with CGI and some undercooked villains but the positives far outweigh the negatives. Really want to see it again.

8.5/10

 

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. Probably a question of budget.

I think we'll see that in the sequel.

I do think given the themes at play here that it took place probably about where it should have.

Probably, but they could've found something more interesting. I think there should be also be a few more thrills and spills in this franchise, since it's more like an adventure movie. They should think of it more like a Saturday morning serial like Spielberg did with Indiana Jones.

That scene in Temple of Doom with that fight in the coal trolley going over those tracks was like a literal rollercoaster ride. We need some of that sort of thing in these comic movies instead of heroes and villains just going at each other with their powers. By all means use their powers, but put them in situations which are really precarious and life threatening, and which have you on the edge of your seat.

That's one of the reasons I love climaxes which finish high up somewhere with people in danger. I think those are the best kinds.

 

[The Guard]

Wonder Woman being "subtext" heavy would be really strange considering the story. One that at the focus features someone so honest, so earnest, she just shouts her feelings pretty much everywhere.

Except that it isn't just her. Everyone in the film shouts their feelings pretty much everywhere. Which I guess is called "earnest" now. People use to consider that sort of thing subpar writing. Go figure.

 

[Dark Raven]

I just watched it for the second time. Took my whole family out to see it. My brothers and father loved it but my mom really really loved it and she can't stand action movies let alone comic book movies.

Also, Gal's accent didn't bother me as much as it did last time.

Glad your family enjoyed it and that Gal's accent didn't bother you as much. Sometimes when something is too close to home, it can be a bit distracting. I sometimes find that with certain British actors in some roles.

BTW, how come you don't have an avatar? You could've put yourself as WW in there. Or a different WW pic that you like.

 

[The Guard]

Probably, but they could've found something more interesting. I think there should be also be a few more thrills and spills in this franchise, since it's more like an adventure movie. They should think of it more like a Saturday morning serial like Spielberg did with Indiana Jones.

That scene in Temple of Doom with that fight in the coal trolley going over those tracks was like a literal rollercoaster ride. We need some of that sort of thing in these comic movies instead of heroes and villains just going at each other with their powers. By all means use their powers, but put them in situations which are really precarious and life threatening, and which have you on the edge of your seat.

That's one of the reasons I love climaxes which finish high up somewhere with people in danger. I think those are the best kinds.

I suppose they could have had a completely different story that would have been structured to accomodate that kind of thing. But with this story, where?

If, say, they put her on a train or plane they'd get even more FIRST AVENGER comparisons.

I was sort of hoping for

Spoiler

Olympus/Ares realm

, but figured we probably wouldn't see it.

 

[DeadStroke]

Wonder Woman >> Logan

 

[Flemm]

Canceled.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except that it isn't just her. Everyone in the film shouts their feelings pretty much everywhere. Which I guess is called "earnest" now. People use to consider that sort of thing subpar writing. Go figure.

Disagree. Most, if not all of this is done with Diana. People speaking to Diana. When people try to be subtle with her, it goes right over her head. Which makes perfect sense. I only have one major problem with the blatant "speaking not showing" and that is the finale.

 

[The Guard]

Spoilers, Flemm. You need to edit your post.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wonder Woman >> Logan

Yeah, I really enjoyed Wonder Woman, but no way imo.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I just watched it for the second time. Took my whole family out to see it. My brothers and father loved it but my mom really really loved it and she can't stand action movies let alone comic book movies.

Also, Gal's accent didn't bother me as much as it did last time.

I'm trying to get my parents out to see it too. My dad likes to see comic movies with me but my mom, like yours, usually avoids action movies. I got her to watch MoS and BvS last summer and she liked them okay, though I think she found the big action scenes tiring. I keep trying to convince her she needs to go see WW. I think I can get her to go.

Glad it was a hit with your family! Ten more minutes for me!

 

[Flemm]

Spoilers, Flemm. You need to edit your post.

Sorry, I just deleted it for the time being. I thought this was an ok thread for spoilers, but apparently I was wrong.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Wonder Woman >> Logan

Agree!