All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Patchwork Man]

Easily on my top 10 list of superhero movies ever made. Can't see myself getting tired of it.

Rewatchability Factor: 51 on a 10 scale.

 

[Vartha]

Loved the Movie!! The only thing I was expecting more of was the story in Themyscria. I thought there would be just a bit more.

 

[vantheman77]

Celebrating today's WW opening with watching the 1st season of the WW tv series, the animated movie, and reading George Perez's WW comics run.

 

[ComicChick]

i really really enjoyed seeing this film last night. some of the CGI was a little wonky to me but it wasn't enough to bother me too much.

really liked the settings, costumes, characters, and surprisingly the comedy. it flowed well without being forced (i'm looking at you Thor 2). first time venturing over here, but i'll be back

also, shoutout to Flick for getting things in line over here

 

[Iceman]

Loved the Movie!! The only thing I was expecting more of was the story in Themyscria. I thought there would be just a bit more.

I would have been cool if the whole story had taken place there.

 

[Vartha]

Easily on my top 10 list of superhero movies ever made. Can't see myself getting tired of it.

Same here! The look itself is up there for me.

 

[Dark Raven]

I would have been cool if the whole story had taken place there.

Same here. I wouldn't have minded a return to there for the finale. Would've definitely been a more picturesque place and also a lot easier to see if it took place during the day.

Next time don't make the movie so visually dark in places.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I've had a day to ruminate on the film, and while I think I need another viewing, I am largely satisfied with it and proud of the accomplishments of the film and its creators and talent...but what I mean is this:

As has been pointed out elsewhere, there's a definite "paint by numbers" quality to the storytelling here compared to previous DCEU entries. Everything flows exactly as it "should", but that means there's not a ton of complexity to the proceedings, and sometimes not much tension as a result. The concepts explored are fairly complex ones, but the execution, not so much. I suppose the argument can be made that this film is more coherent as a result, and that's a good thing overall, though I think it's a tad exposition-heavy.

Because of the approach this film takes, I don't know that this will ultimately have the kind of layered, rewatch value of say, a MOS or BVS.

I will say that I'm glad they didn't seek to "Marvelize" the DCEU in any real sense. The film very much has its own identity, and doesn't lean much on the approach of any other successful franchise. And this is a definite "win" for the DCEU, and the portrayal of heroes in general, because there really is a lot of hope, heart and empathy at play, and they manage to do it without it feeling completely saccharine, which is no small feat. There's a really nice balance struck of hope and cynicism.

That was my EXACT concern. I'm sure I'll dig it but I know I'll miss the complexity. 2.25 hours to go.

 

[Vartha]

I would have been cool if the whole story had taken place there.

Yeah but how would you get Diana into our world?
I could see having her leave Themyscria at the tail end and continued in Wonder Woman 2, but, WB had no idea how well it would do in the theaters, and we would have been hanging if they didn't make a follow up

 

[vantheman77]

Although from different comics companies, I can imagine a live-action WW Vs. Thor!!

 

[macphisto96]

I've had a day to ruminate on the film, and while I think I need another viewing, I am largely satisfied with it and proud of the accomplishments of the film and its creators and talent...but what I mean is this:

As has been pointed out elsewhere, there's a definite "paint by numbers" quality to the storytelling here compared to previous DCEU entries. Everything flows exactly as it "should", but that means there's not a ton of complexity to the proceedings, and sometimes not much tension as a result. The concepts explored are fairly complex ones, but the execution, not so much. I suppose the argument can be made that this film is more coherent as a result, and that's a good thing overall, though I think it's a tad exposition-heavy.

Because of the approach this film takes, I don't know that this will ultimately have the kind of layered, rewatch value of say, a MOS or BVS.

I will say that I'm glad they didn't seek to "Marvelize" the DCEU in any real sense. The film very much has its own identity, and doesn't lean much on the approach of any other successful franchise. And this is a definite "win" for the DCEU, and the portrayal of heroes in general, because there really is a lot of hope, heart and empathy at play, and they manage to do it without it feeling completely saccharine, which is no small feat. There's a really nice balance struck of hope and cynicism.

It is a paint by numbers origin story in some ways, but I think it also layers on a lot more complexity to it and does it subtlely. Little bits of dialogue inform so much of the film while also informing Diana's own formation as she adapts to the larger world.

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For instance, take their companions when they go to the front line coupled with the reaction to seeing Diana in the council chamber. You have a The Chief speaking of what has happened to his people and Sameer speaking of how he'd be a great actor, but his skin is the wrong color. Then you have the amazing juxtaposition of Charlie displaying PTSD but then singing beautifully. There's an emotional resonance there that illuminates the darkness in the world while also showing the light is still there.

I think the biggest difference is that the film isn't heavy handed. It hides the motivations of several characters well and is much more subtle than BvS or MoS.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah but how would you get Diana into our world?
I could see having her leave Themyscria at the tail end and continued in Wonder Woman 2, but, WB had no idea how well it would do in the theaters, and we would have been hanging if they didn't make a follow up

Jenkins should've shot a ton of footage that could make up a whole other movie in Themyscira. Then if the theatrical version does well, she can release an extended cut of WW which is almost like a 2-part mini series. The first part is entirely set in Themyscira and ends with Steve crash landing, and the second part is everything else following on from there.

 

[misslane38]

I've had a day to ruminate on the film, and while I think I need another viewing, I am largely satisfied with it and proud of the accomplishments of the film and its creators and talent...but what I mean is this:

As has been pointed out elsewhere, there's a definite "paint by numbers" quality to the storytelling here compared to previous DCEU entries. Everything flows exactly as it "should", but that means there's not a ton of complexity to the proceedings, and sometimes not much tension as a result. The concepts explored are fairly complex ones, but the execution, not so much. I suppose the argument can be made that this film is more coherent as a result, and that's a good thing overall, though I think it's a tad exposition-heavy.

Because of the approach this film takes, I don't know that this will ultimately have the kind of layered, rewatch value of say, a MOS or BVS.

I will say that I'm glad they didn't seek to "Marvelize" the DCEU in any real sense. The film very much has its own identity, and doesn't lean much on the approach of any other successful franchise. And this is a definite "win" for the DCEU, and the portrayal of heroes in general, because there really is a lot of hope, heart and empathy at play, and they manage to do it without it feeling completely saccharine, which is no small feat. There's a really nice balance struck of hope and cynicism.

Yes to all of this.

 

[dhandler01]

Loved the Movie!! The only thing I was expecting more of was the story in Themyscria. I thought there would be just a bit more.

Nice! Glad you loved it

 

[Vartha]

Jenkins should've shot a ton of footage that could make up a whole other movie in Themyscira. Then if the theatrical version does well, she can release an extended cut of WW which is almost like a 2-part mini series. The first part is entirely set in Themyscira and ends with Steve crash landing, and the second part is everything else following on from there.

I'm surprised they DIDN'T shoot extra. WB seems to like doing the extended movies

 

[Vartha]

Nice! Glad you loved it

It's a great time to be a Superhero Fan lol

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm surprised they DIDN'T shoot extra. WB seems to like doing the extended movies

Maybe they actually got a director and writer who knows what they are doing this time?

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe they actually got a director and writer who knows what they are doing this time?

Well I think it's still possible to know what you're doing but shoot extra. If Patty were very efficient and had a really good plan, she'd know what is going to make it into the movie, and the rest she could shoot as extras to go on the BR/DVD. She wouldn't be stuck with a crap load of footage which she'd find hard to edit together but would already have one vision for the movie in her mind and then everything else would be icing on the cake.

 

[The Guard]

That was my EXACT concern. I'm sure I'll dig it but I know I'll miss the complexity. 2.25 hours to go.

Don't get me wrong, "traditional heroic values" are more than welcome, but in going that route, there's not really any set up for Diana in terms of how she fits into the world, and the conflicts and promise that entails.

In other words, the "politics" of the character aren't there the way they were in MOS and BVS.

And maybe that's something that's just going to be unique to Superman in the DCEU.

Or maybe they got tired of people whining about "dangling plot threads" and coherency.

 

[Frodo]

Imo, Gal Gadot/Wonder Woman is the future of the DCU and not Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill.

Batman and Superman have had plenty of reboots and sequels. We've only had one WW film. Its Diana's time to shine and be another priority for WB.

Don't wait 4 years. Don't get bogged down in teaming her up with other heroes to give them a boost. Bring back Patty Jankins and get going with developing the sequel now[/I].

 

[The_Manhunter]

Saw it this afternoon. Great movie and a very worthy addition to the DCEU. High fives all around to Jenkins, Gal, Snyder, and co.

 

[The Guard]

Something that is interesting to consider...

This movie was made by Patty Jenkins with what appears to be minimal interference (heavyhanded meddling) by the studio, but the script, etc, was apparently put together via committee.

There may be something to this "writer's room" thing.

 

[Dark Raven]

So is there anyone complaining about Gal's acting at all and even saying she was terrible? There were quite a few people before the movie came out. Are they still of the same opinion?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well I think it's still possible to know what you're doing but shoot extra. If Patty were very efficient and had a really good plan, she'd know what is going to make it into the movie, and the rest she could shoot as extras to go on the BR/DVD. She wouldn't be stuck with a crap load of footage which she'd find hard to edit together but would already have one vision for the movie in her mind and then everything else would be icing on the cake.

This rarely if ever works out. LotR and... nothing else. This is exactly how cutting hell happens, how arcs become uneven, and movies lose their focus and flow. The only stuff that should be left out is stuff that is cut in the editing room.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So is there anyone complaining about Gal's acting at all and even saying she was terrible? There were quite a few people before the movie came out. Are they still of the same opinion?

I thought she was good. I wasn't a big fan of her longer bits of dialogue and the ADR at the end of the movie was really strange for both her and [BLACKOUT]Ares[/BLACKOUT]. They got away from her. She was really funny though, and I liked most of her big emotional bits.