All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[godisawesome]

For themes tied to politics: you could always tie the Amazon's traditions and forms of government into a commentary on centralization of power vs decentralization, with the dual theme of freedom vs justice.

Perhaps Hippolyta is an absolute monarch, and this series gives credence to the idea that centralization is the right approach, then they show Atlantis in Aquaman and feature him making a more decentralized approach, or vice versa.

 

[Mad Love]

For themes tied to politics: you could always tie the Amazon's traditions and forms of government into a commentary on centralization of power vs decentralization, with the dual theme of freedom vs justice.

Perhaps Hippolyta is an absolute monarch, and this series gives credence to the idea that centralization is the right approach, then they show Atlantis in Aquaman and feature him making a more decentralized approach, or vice versa.

Really good ideas. I was wondering how they're going to make Atlantis different from Themyscira. They have similarities being lost nations with ambivalence towards the rest of the world. It raises interesting questions about Wonder Woman's goals for her country compared to Aquaman. Is one more imperialist than the other? Is one more isolationist?

 

[flickchick85]

Would Wonder Woman smoke weed?

She'd probably be open to it. Once.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Diana would smoke weed and then drink the bong water... She's a wild woman!!

 

[Bwahaha!]

I'd like a scene featuring her spiritual practices, which could include weed or another mind-expanding herb that accesses the magical realm of gods. They could take inspiration from the book, the panel where Diana is kneeling nude under a full moon, praying to her gods.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Eh... There's really no need for mind altering drugs to reach the gods when... You know, the gods are a physical fact of life, or they would be for Amazons in the DCCU, based off of the comics, at least going as far back as Perez.

 

[Bwahaha!]

I was just trying to get weed to wild Diana. Lol

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I was just trying to get weed to wild Diana. Lol

I'm sure the Amazon's have some crazy bud on the island, what with a few thousand years to breed crazy strains. t:

More seriously, I think it would be interesting in later films, or even in the first solos, to treat the interactions that the rest of the world has with the Amazon and Atlantean races in a fairly realistic way. What resources or exports would they have that we would want to trade with them? What would we have that they could reasonably have a desire or use for? How could that play into the plot of a super hero film?

 

[Bwahaha!]

I'm sure the Amazon's have some crazy bud on the island, what with a few thousand years to breed crazy strains. t:

More seriously, I think it would be interesting in later films, or even in the first solos, to treat the interactions that the rest of the world has with the Amazon and Atlantean races in a fairly realistic way. What resources or exports would they have that we would want to trade with them? What would we have that they could reasonably have a desire or use for? How could that play into the plot of a super hero film?

Both societies were hidden with self-contained economies. I'm thinking the outside world would def want access to any tech and magic while Atlantis and Themyscira likely want nothing except peace from earth's nations. But you're right, it'd be interesting to explore.

EDIT: the Atlanteans might want environmental treaties to protect the oceans.

 

[Mad Love]

Eh... There's really no need for mind altering drugs to reach the gods when... You know, the gods are a physical fact of life, or they would be for Amazons in the DCCU, based off of the comics, at least going as far back as Perez.

Keep the drugs with the Oracles of Delphi. Amazons are disciplined.

 

[Mad Love]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Nice shots of those three... But I really don't want to hear about the Xena comparisons. Yes, those NOT to familiar with the Post-Crisis WW have a point... A very small point... That visually there are similarities in the look. But seeing as I read Perez's run and witnessed how he incorporated various looks in his WW, including the battle skirt and amors of various kinds well before Xena or Hercules' shows were even a glimmer in Rob Tapert's eye... Yeah, people whining about that burn's my ass.

I will say that the comparisons between each actress's builds is interesting, seeing as it's such a bone of contention with so many fans and frankly, casual observers. Gal in her outfit doesn't look much different than either Carter as WW or Lawless as Xena. Hell, even Lawless went on in later seasons to lose more weight and gain more muscle mass, she was'nt the buff Xena of later seasons at the start of the show. Notice... She wears A LOT more mid riff revealing clothing after say, season three than in the early days of the run.

I find the opinions on Gal's physique to be pretty damned obtuse especially when Carter or Lawless are brought up so as to make a negative comparison.

I'm not implying you are doing that Mad Love, just that I am sure some poster is going to inevitably make them seeing images of those three side by side.

 

[The Sage]

Not saying it would've looked the same as Lynda Carter's if they interpreted it now, but I'm really glad they went with the battle skirt instead of the swimsuit look.

 

[Bwahaha!]

I'll always love the Lynda Carter show but folks asking for brighter colors need only look at Lynda's suit to realize that wouldn't work in 2015. I realize Gal's suit is filtered and will appear brighter onscreen but it won't be primary colors, I guarantee you.

As for Xena, well the comparison is insulting. Snyder's genius designer Mr. Wilkinson, designed the 300 battle uniforms. He's literally a modern-day expert on ancient Greek style. Since his Wonder Woman BvS costume is based on Greek battledress and since Xena's was too, of course they'll resemble each other. Just like how the costumes in 300 were similar. But to even insinuate that Wilkinson studied Xena for his WW look is absurd. He studied ancient Greece. Period.

Also, this WW movie would be happenig whether Xena ever existed or not. However, WW paved the road for Xena.

 

[queendarkness12]

As a fan of Wonder Woman, I'd like to see Steve Trevor in the DC Cinematic Universe.

In a way, he humanises Diana and brings out a lighter side of her, also the guy is an awesome hero in his own right.

 

[Bwahaha!]

As a fan of Wonder Woman, I'd like to see Steve Trevor in the DC Cinematic Universe.

In a way, he humanises Diana and brings out a lighter side of her, also the guy is an awesome hero in his own right.

I bet we get Trevor casting news sooner than later.

 

[Mad Love]

The Xena complaint boils down to people who aren't familiar with post-Crisis WW like KRYPTON INC said. Instead of a cloth costume that was sewn, the skirt, armor, and sword are no surprise in modern comics. What doesn't make sense is how the Xena comparison is taken as a bad thing as if people think a cloth costume would work now. Her costume needs to not look like it would fall apart in a battle. She's also seen more as an Amazon warrior than a WWII hero clad in the United States flag.

Gal Gadot's physique shows more muscle tone than Lynda Carter and Lucy Lawless, and still can improve. Along with a foreign accent and olive skin tone, Gadot represents a more concrete concept of who the modern Wonder Woman is for unfamiliar fans to be acquainted with.

*Lynda's Carters heels are much more unstable than Gadot's solid wedges.

 

[Bwahaha!]

The Xena complaint boils down to people who aren't familiar with post-Crisis WW like KRYPTON INC said. Instead of a cloth costume that was sewn, the skirt, armor, and sword are no surprise in modern comics. What doesn't make sense is how the Xena comparison is taken as a bad thing as if people think a cloth costume would work now. Her costume needs to not look like it would fall apart in a battle. She's also seen more as an Amazon warrior than a WWII hero clad in the United States flag.

Gal Gadot's physique shows more muscle tone than Lynda Carter and Lucy Lawless, and still can improve. Along with a foreign accent and olive skin tone, Gadot represents a more concrete concept of who the modern Wonder Woman is for unfamiliar fans to be acquainted with.

*Lynda's Carters heels are much more unstable than Gadot's solid wedges.

Agreed. The only thing Lynda Carter has that Gal doesn't is a very large bust and bigger hips, creating an hourglass figure. I love Lynda but I associate an hourglass figure with Marilyn Monroe and other golden age Hollywood starlets...not with Amazons. Lynda's muscles were certainly never more defined than Gal's are currently.

 

[John-An]

Lois Lane! She's the first person that gets invited to visit Themyscira.

When Wonder Woman reveals herself to the world, she could invite Lois Lane to Themyscira to do an report that would dispel people's preconceptions about the Amazons.

I'd like to see that.

After reading this thread, I considered that perhaps the Amazons employ royalty like the British, where the Queen is mostly a figurehead and elected politicians create policy (the Queen signing off on policy is a mere formality at this point). Yet I don't think that'd be as interesting as an all-powerful monarchy. It'd be cool if...when the Amazons are exposed to democracy, maybe talk of change occurs on the Island. That's seed for great conflict in the sequels.

I mean extreme capitalism can turn democracy into a sham. Themyscira may be a monarchy, but it's no dictatorship. I think they have some level of elective power in place, either a court or council.

That's the key.. they may have a council.

. I could see the story dealing with government. Maybe show the founding of Themyscira by Hippolyta, Diana being groomed to be Queen, Amazon reaction to Steve Trevor landing, Wonder Woman's reaction to seeing our government.

That could be a nice way to distinguish the Trinity. Superman is related to the military. Diana is a political figure. Batman represents local enforcement.

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Could Steve being one of the pilots that never made it to Metropolis to fight against the World Engine?

I think that too. It may be connected with the U.S.A "support" for attacking the W.E that never came (and Steve was the only survivor) or one of the reinforcements to attack the B.Z. that cause the terraforming made him crash on Paradise Island.

That would be interesting. Maybe the World Engine messed up his plane's system and that made him crash.

This is a possibility too.

 

[queendarkness12]

It would be cool to see Steve Trevor's story in this cinematic universe, since he could be on quite the journey.

 

[Mad Love]

 

[queendarkness12]

A scene like this would be awesome. t:

 

[Mad Love]

That'd be cute.

I didn't like how Trevor was done in the animated WW solo movie. They made him too much of a 'bro'. JLU had a good Trevor, and he was funny in Brave and Bold.

I'd want someone like Chris Pine to be Trevor.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Was Nate F.'s Trevor in the DTV that far from Pine's Kirk though? Just saying... Pine hasn't shown an enormous amount of range (or general appeal... Outside of Trek and that runaway train film with Denzel... DENZEL... He's not shown the power to get asses in seats.) and I would expect his Trevor would be in the same wheelhouse as his Kirk.

 

[Mad Love]

I'm not saying I want Captain Kirk to be Steve Trevor, but his Kirk did have a lot of range and was much more vulnerable/emotive than Fillion's Trevor. It all depends on the writing, and he has already played different characters. He's an actor. There's no reason to automatically assume his Trevor would be a Kirk clone, although some similarities are unavoidable.

Not sure why you think he doesn't have star power. Unstoppable was successful. Nearly all his other movies were also successful, but they were smaller and not expected to be blockbusters. It's not really an issue especially since Trevor isn't the main character, and WB has no problem giving movies/roles to FAR less proven actors.