All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The character is showing up in Zack Snyder's film first and he's the Justice League director, it makes sense he and his wife would produce it.

 

[Mad Love]

And probably because the movie may use their production company.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

The character is showing up in Zack Snyder's film first and he's the Justice League director, it makes sense he and his wife would produce it.

Yes....yessssss....you're finally getting it aren't you? t:

 

[Gee]

Wonder Woman’s New 52 Origin Should Not Be Used in Film (or At All)
http://www.themarysue.com/dont-use-wonder-woman-new-52-origin-in-film/

 

[Juke Box Hero]

Nahh...

I much, MUCH prefer her New 52 origin, and it's use was kinda confirmed in that Roven interview.

 

[Mad Love]

Disagree. I don't know why people cling to Marston and his brand of feminism knowing what we know now.

There's definitely a divide between old and new WW fans.

 

[haephestus]

Wonder Woman’s New 52 Origin Should Not Be Used in Film (or At All)
http://www.themarysue.com/dont-use-wonder-woman-new-52-origin-in-film/

I agree with a lot of what was said. I don't think it was necessary for Zeus to be Diana's father to tie her storyline into that of the Greek gods. As the creation of a group of female (and possibly male) Greek gods, Diana is already a "child" of the gods and part of their family.

While I don't mind how this origin was dealt with in New52, I still think that it was unnecessary. I also think that it removes an entiretly unique and interesting aspect from Diana's origin that (to my knowledge) no other superhero shares.

I also agree with the points about highlighting Diana's "warrior" tendencies, particularly the fact that she now commonly carries a sword and that it is often in her hand instead of sheathed unless required (although this didn't really happen in her solo series where the swords were infrequently used and "hidden" in her gauntlets unless required).

Either way, it's becoming clearer what version of Diana we will see in live action and it seems that the New52 version was a particular inspiration. Although cultured and experienced in man's world, Diana appears to come from a somewhat "primitive" society of Amazons (based on the limited set pics of the Themyscira set in New Mexico and her "Wonder Woman" armour and weaponry, particularly the sword). It's also been confirmed that Zeus will be her father, although that could potentially be tweaked to provide that Zeus brought the clay child to life. But, I expect that they'll go with the more standard method of conception between Hippolyta and Zeus as per the New52 origin.

I still hold out hope that they will ably demonstrate Diana's compassion in live action. In her solo title, they pretty much stuck to the idea that Diana does not raise her fist without first extending her hand. It was really only in the Justice League title and other appearances that New52 Diana was a one-dimensional "warrior woman".

 

[Mad Love]

I agree with a lot of what was said. I don't think it was necessary for Zeus to be Diana's father to tie her storyline into that of the Greek gods. As the creation of a group of female (and possibly male) Greek gods, Diana is already a "child" of the gods and part of their family.

While I don't mind how this origin was dealt with in New52, I still think that it was unnecessary. I also think that it removes an entiretly unique and interesting aspect from Diana's origin that (to my knowledge) no other superhero shares.

I also agree with the points about highlighting Diana's "warrior" tendencies, particularly the fact that she now commonly carries a sword and that it is often in her hand instead of sheathed unless required (although this didn't really happen in her solo series where the swords were infrequently used and "hidden" in her gauntlets unless required).

Either way, it's becoming clearer what version of Diana we will see in live action and it seems that the New52 version was a particular inspiration. Although cultured and experienced in man's world, Diana appears to come from a somewhat "primitive" society of Amazons (based on the limited set pics of the Themyscira set in New Mexico and her "Wonder Woman" armour and weaponry, particularly the sword). It's also been confirmed that Zeus will be her father, although that could potentially be tweaked to provide that Zeus brought the clay child to life. But, I expect that they'll go with the more standard method of conception between Hippolyta and Zeus as per the New52 origin.

I still hold out hope that they will ably demonstrate Diana's compassion in live action. In her solo title, they pretty much stuck to the idea that Diana does not raise her fist without first extending her hand. It was really only in the Justice League title and other appearances that New52 Diana was a one-dimensional "warrior woman".

It was necessary because it served more functions than simply tying her storyline to the Gods. It was necessary for the story Azzarello was telling.

Just like it was necessary that Superman had the DNA of all Kryptonians in MOS.

 

[The Sage]

I'm fine with either approach. I enjoyed Perez's run and Azzarello's. Taking inspiration from all of WW's history is always best approach.

 

[haephestus]

Just like it was necessary that Superman had the DNA of all Kryptonians in MOS.

O/T - I have to admit that I still don't understand what the point of the Codex (or whatever it was called) being implanted into Kal-El's DNA was! It didn't seem to have any impact on Zod's plans to terraform Earth.

 

[Lobo]

I'm fine with either approach. I enjoyed Perez's run and Azzarello's. Taking inspiration from all of WW's history is always best approach.

Bingo. I liked what I read of Azz's run. I don't mind the origin change as much as others do. Thought it was done fairly well. I expected the new 52 versions to be the focus of the film properties anyway.

What I'm interested in most now, is the villain of the solo. Will it be Ares/War? Or perhaps Circe? Cheetah I suspect is most likely with the Barbara Minerva were-cheetah in the role. Cheetah can be Circe's muscle so to speak. Easy enough to tie their stories together with Circe's penchant for turning men into animals.

And as always, the casting has me intrigued. Who will be Steve? Hippolyta? Circe? Ares? Zeus? Cheetah? Who will round out the supporting cast? Nameless Amazons? Or may the Kapatelis'? Etta?

 

[Mad Love]

O/T - I have to admit that I still don't understand what the point of the Codex (or whatever it was called) being implanted into Kal-El's DNA was! It didn't seem to have any impact on Zod's plans to terraform Earth.

The Codex didn't have any impact on his plans? It was the sole purpose behind his plans!

The Codex was Zod's goal because he could bring Kryptonians back as a species. Terraforming Earth would be pointless without the Codex.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Wonder Woman’s New 52 Origin Should Not Be Used in Film (or At All)
http://www.themarysue.com/dont-use-wonder-woman-new-52-origin-in-film/

This guy goes out of his way to make a bunch of hypothetical assumptions.

The Azzarelo origin was damn good IMO.

 

[Wally_West]

Not Bad but Angelina Jolie would be great as well.

 

[Wally_West]

These are my picks for if they go the New 52 Azzarello rout

Hera- Charlize Theron

Apollo- David Oyelowo

Ares- Bryan Cranston

 

[Wally_West]

First Born- Manu Bennett

Although I would prefer him as Deathstroke, he was too awesome in that role.

 

[haephestus]

The Codex didn't have any impact on his plans? It was the sole purpose behind his plans!

The Codex was Zod's goal because he could bring Kryptonians back as a species. Terraforming Earth would be pointless without the Codex.

O/T - Fair enough. I got that Zod was all about the purity of the Kryptonian race, but he had male and female soldiers/followers. He could have been making baby Khryptonians without the Codex's pre-planned babies categorised by the Kryptonian class system (and I guess he would also need the artificial wombs in the crashed scout ship as well). Anyway, I personally don't care enough about Man of Steel to debate the finer points.

I don't think Diana being the biological daughter of Zeus was absolutely essential to the New52 solo Wonder Woman story arc. Zeus could have given life to the clay baby. Athena could have magically impregnated Hippolyta. I'm sure there were other ways to tie Diana's story to the Greek gods.

All IMHO. Opinions obviously vary and that is just fine and dandy!

 

[The Sage]

Not essential, but nothing wrong with it. Azzarello wanted Diana to have more direct ties to the Greek gods, and it works.

Wally_West's casting is pretty good though Blanchett doesn't strike me as Hippolyta.

 

[Mad Love]

O/T - Fair enough. I got that Zod was all about the purity of the Kryptonian race, but he had male and female soldiers/followers. He could have been making baby Khryptonians without the Codex's pre-planned babies categorised by the Kryptonian class system (and I guess he would also need the artificial wombs in the crashed scout ship as well). Anyway, I personally don't care enough about Man of Steel to debate the finer points.

Maybe if you paid attention to the movie, you'd have a better appreciation of it. It sounds like you didn't get most of the plot, and its the same with the changes to Diana's origin. It's hard to take people's criticism against a story when it's more about them not getting it than the story itself.

Zod could NOT have made Kryptonians without the Codex. What's he going to do? Clone all the criminals in his crew? The Codex has all the DNA from all the Kryptonian classes. He wanted to resurrect the whole civilization. Not have a bunch of inbred Kryptonian soldiers. ??

 

[Mad Love]

Not Bad but Angelina Jolie would be great as well.

I like your casting but Jolie won't be acting much. Love the Theron/Hippolyta pick.

If they can get Jolie, I would rather have her be Athena.

 

[haephestus]

Maybe if you paid attention to the movie, you'd have a better appreciation of it. It sounds like you didn't get most of the plot, and its the same with the changes to Diana's origin. It's hard to take people's criticism against a story when it's more about them not getting it than the story itself.

Wow. Okay. I bow down to your superior intelligence and fanboiii-ism!

 

[Mad Love]

Wow. Okay. I bow down to your superior intelligence and fanboiii-ism!

I'm not superior in anyway. Just paying attention to the story and giving it a fair chance. But that's hard for some.

 

[chamber-music]

Zod viewed Kal-El's natural birth as blasphemous.

The fundamental element people seem to miss about Man Of Steel for some reason is that Kryptonians are genetically engineered for a purpose. Their genetic engineering informs their views and actions.

Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now... I have no people. My soul, that is what you have taken from me!

People say why doesn't Zod terraform another planet with the codex or have natural babies and so on. Zod couldn't comprehend such things because his base genetic programming is protect and preserve his ideal Krypton above anything else.

Back on topic to Wonder Woman. Zeus being her father in the Nu52 was interesting a way to get her involved in the huge family struggle of the Olympians. Going with the new origin depends on if they are doing Wonder Woman solo films revolving around the Olympian god power struggle family drama plot because otherwise your not really getting much from the idea. The only issue is that it might be too similar to Clash/Wrath of the Titans.

 

[Loki882]

They're using the demi-goddess origin. That doesn't mean that they're adapting the entire New 52 run. I just don't see how WW having a father makes her any less of a feminist icon. Arguing that, which some people have, is basically spitting in the face of all of the real-life feminist icons, ALL of whom had fathers. Zeus being her dad doesn't automatically mean, for example, that we'll be getting murdering rapist Amazons (in fact I REALLY hope that we DON'T)!

 

[Mad Love]

non-murderering warriors. seems legit.