Civil War Along Came a Spider - The Peter Parker / Spider-Man Thread

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I think Spider-man is going to be neutral in this movie.

 

[TheVision]

Costume Spidey doesnt have to be Tom Holland until its 100% needed. They can get away with stunt doubles and/or CGI. Its 2015, they can do stuff so seamlessly its amazing. Im sure once they get his mocap specs they can just CGI him into action scenes.

Really if they wanted him in every action scene they could just CGI him in.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Exactly. Tom was most likely there for any unmasked/Peter scenes. You wouldn't need him for anything else.

 

[Binker]

I wonder if Peter's debate will be connected to the Marvel/Sony Spidey film. Like revealing his ID and being with the Avengers will tie into his MCU origin and himself as a hero, but will that reveal have negative consequences since that will be the weapon his (possibly) growing rogue's gallery will use on his loved ones.

Like what Spidey said in the 2002 film: "the ones I love will always be the ones who pay." Which Brian from Comic Geek Speak said, after that line was said, "take that Civil War!" It goes back to that story.

 

[harryoscop]

I am skeptical of that bit though just because I don't remember anyone than Eh Maybe claiming that was the case.

It actually came from a paparazzi on Twitter who goes by the name of @AlantaFilming. He said he saw a Spider-Man on the set of Civil War with green screen. MMarvel supposedly asked him not to take any pics and this was two months before Tom was cast.

He deleted his tweets

 

[TheVision]

i think what will be cool is to see just how Spidey is introduced in the MCU. thats what im excited about. i also cant wait to see his next suit.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Spider-Man isn't in the trailer not because he's barely in it but because the focus of this trailer didn't require him, just as it didn't require Vision or Ant-Man or more than a couple seconds of Scarlet Witch or Hawkeye.

Holland filmed around 2-3 weeks, about the same as Olsen and Bettany and more than Rudd and Grillo. His role will be small but not minuscule. Otherwise they would not have cast Marisa Tomei as Aunt May - who is also not listed in the credits. Neither is Martin Freeman listed.

The credits on the last AOU trailer were more complete than the first - including Atwell, Mackie and Elba. Linda Cartenelli still wasn't listed yet her role was larger than all of theirs. Credits are largely contractual and don't necessarily correlate with screen time.

Wait, so he was filming longer than Rudd!? I love Spiderman as much as the next guy, but he having a role greater than Antman is unexpected

 

[TalismanRing]

As RDJ pointed out in the Kimmel interview, when the mask goes down he's not there. They don't need Holland, Rudd, Cheadle or Boseman to be there when filming a large part of their action scenes because there's CGI and covered up stunt doubles.

 

[ernesth100]

I don't think Peter will be on anyones team anymore thanks to the trailer.


A while back there was a news channel for the MCU on youtube. On the bottom News Ticker they it said Stark had some sort of program fro promising students.

If that's any indication obviously Peter Parker will be one of those promising students chosen. Stark meets Peter when he choses him. Maybe a quick exchange between Peter and Stark about knowledge and Peters potential to be as great as Stark. Maybe a funny scene where Peter corrects Stark or something that suprises Tony.


Then we get a line like Stark saying "Listen Peter, you're a brilliant mind. When you're older I'd be glad to hire you. You can be just like me...well you have to be a superhero to be like me, maybe I'll give you an Iron Suit."


Peter: No thanks. I'd rather have my own.


*Cut to scene of Peter swinging through the city after his meeting with Stark as Spidey beating down criminals*


Peter: Brilliant? Check. Superhero? Check. Stark meet your replacement.


Or maybe do that entire thing in reverse. Perhaps Peter was chosen for the Stark Program and is late for class because he is beating up criminals. When he swings back to school he see's a limo. He ignores it and walks into class late to see Tony Stark.


Oh I can't wait to get a glimpse of the soundtrack hopefully Spidey has his own theme music for his scene. And it's reworked into the 2017 film as well.

 

[TheVision]

Im hoping they bring back this version of the Spidey theme

[YT]I-qMBS1frkM[/YT]

 

[harryoscop]

Im hoping they bring back this version of the Spidey theme

[YT]I-qMBS1frkM[/YT]

Been saying for the longest time that Spidey's new theme should be a movie-ized remix of the classic 60s theme to create something unique and iconic for MCU Spider-Man t:

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I don't think Peter will be on anyones team anymore thanks to the trailer.


A while back there was a news channel for the MCU on youtube. On the bottom News Ticker they it said Stark had some sort of program fro promising students.

If that's any indication obviously Peter Parker will be one of those promising students chosen. Stark meets Peter when he choses him. Maybe a quick exchange between Peter and Stark about knowledge and Peters potential to be as great as Stark. Maybe a funny scene where Peter corrects Stark or something that suprises Tony.


Then we get a line like Stark saying "Listen Peter, you're a brilliant mind. When you're older I'd be glad to hire you. You can be just like me...well you have to be a superhero to be like me, maybe I'll give you an Iron Suit."


Peter: No thanks. I'd rather have my own.


*Cut to scene of Peter swinging through the city after his meeting with Stark as Spidey beating down criminals*


Peter: Brilliant? Check. Superhero? Check. Stark meet your replacement.


Or maybe do that entire thing in reverse. Perhaps Peter was chosen for the Stark Program and is late for class because he is beating up criminals. When he swings back to school he see's a limo. He ignores it and walks into class late to see Tony Stark.


Oh I can't wait to get a glimpse of the soundtrack hopefully Spidey has his own theme music for his scene. And it's reworked into the 2017 film as well.

Why exactly would those scenes be in the film though, they have nothing to do with the plot. That would be a forced cameo setting up a future film something AoU and especially TASM2 suffered from.

Somehow Spider-man needs to fit into this film naturally.

 

[DoubleO88]

Why exactly would those scenes be in the film though, they have nothing to do with the plot. That would be a forced cameo setting up a future film something AoU and especially TASM2 suffered from.

Somehow Spider-man needs to fit into this film naturally.

But what he said is natural? Like he can't just show up? I'm sure Peter and Tony will have some kind of relationship in this film, even if its just a 3 minute to 5 minute scene. Someone needs to have knowledge of Spidey's existence before he can start swinging in and getting involved, he needs to have a relationship with at least one of the Avengers and Tony seems like the best bet since they're both geniuses. Then later he can sympathise with Cap since they both have this idealistic moral fibre.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

But what he said is natural? Like he can't just show up? I'm sure Peter and Tony will have some kind of relationship in this film, even if its just a 3 minute to 5 minute scene. Someone needs to have knowledge of Spidey's existence before he can start swinging in and getting involved, he needs to have a relationship with at least one of the Avengers and Tony seems like the best bet since they're both geniuses. Then later he can sympathise with Cap since they both have this idealistic moral fibre.

How is it natural? A Cap Civil War film, randomly having a scene where Tony is talking to people in his science program.

A natural scene is where he comes into it due to the plot of the film ie the accords.

 

[DoubleO88]

Yeah but you need time to develop his relationship with the other characters,he can't just come in. How to you integrate him? Why would he bother because of the Sokovia Accords? Why wouldn't he just end up like Daredevil and the rest of the TV guys and stay under the radar? It's a Cap film but films don't just focus on the hero do they? In Winter Soldier you still saw Pierce talking to Fury and Bucky didn't you in order to build the motivations and relationships of the villain? In Iron Man 3 you saw Pepper speaking to Killian. Not every scene needs to be Cap centric just because it's a Cap film. That's not how movies work.

Every scene is building to something and a scene like that is building Peter's involvement in a later scene.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Yeah but you need time to develop his relationship with the other characters,he can't just come in. How to you integrate him? Why would he bother because of the Sokovia Accords? Why wouldn't he just end up like Daredevil and the rest of the TV guys and stay under the radar? It's a Cap film but films don't just focus on the hero do they? In Winter Soldier you still saw Pierce talking to Fury and Bucky didn't you in order to build the motivations and relationships of the villain? In Iron Man 3 you saw Pepper speaking to Killian. Not every scene needs to be Cap centric just because it's a Cap film. That's not how movies work.

Every scene is building to something and a scene like that is building Peter's involvement in a later scene.

Pierce was talking to Fury and Bucky about the plot of the movie. Not just a random scene where Pierce is talking to someone not involved in the rest of the movie about nothing to do with the rest of the movie.

What is Peter's involvement later then? Ernesth just said we'd see him swinging through the streets. How would he then end up fighting? Does Tony know Peter is Spider-man would he knowingly bring along a 15 year old kid to a battle?

The only way for it work and to see him fighting later on in the movie is having him sign the accords.

He doesn't stay under the radar because he is someone in a bright costume swinging through NYC with obvious super powers, who has a moral compass that would see him want to do the right thing.

DD is essentially a night time vigilante with no obvious powers who already tries to evade the cops and would have no real desire to get involved in the grander scheme of things.

 

[DoubleO88]

I didn't say when/if tony gets introduced to Peter that they don't talk about the plot, like I said it's a short scene and yes Tony would know his identity, I see Cap and Tony being the only ones who find out his identity in this film. There's been no mention of Spider-Man or his villains in the MCU thus far, I doubt him beating up criminals got the attention of the government.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I didn't say when/if tony gets introduced to Peter that they don't talk about the plot, like I said it's a short scene and yes Tony would know his identity, I see Cap and Tony being the only ones who find out his identity in this film. There's been no mention of Spider-Man or his villains in the MCU thus far, I doubt him beating up criminals got the attention of the government.

I think any 'enhanced' will be on the governments radar.

I think we are getting cross wires here tbh, I was saying ernesth scenes don't feel natural, Peter being in Tonys science program and Tony and Peter talking about being geniuses etc has nothing to do with the plot.

If you are just saying Peter needs an introduction before fighting then yes, and he should converse with both Tony and Steve imo, but it should come about through the story and not be some tag along side story.

How about Peter is sitting watching the news sees the announcement of the accords and the request for enhanced individuals who want to do 'good' to come and sign them. Peter being young and naive and seeing one of his heroes Iron Man urging people to sign them decides he wants to help and goes along.

Peter talks with Tony, though he is masked and he says he will sign the accords but as Spider-man and refuses to give away his secret identity.

I'll admit it's not amazing and I hope the writers have come up with something a lot better, but to me that is at least a way of fitting Spidey in without it coming across that he was just thrown in there just to be like 'hey guys Spider-man is in the MCU'

 

[DoubleO88]

I think any 'enhanced' will be on the governments radar.

I think we are getting cross wires here tbh, I was saying ernesth scenes don't feel natural, Peter being in Tonys science program and Tony and Peter talking about being geniuses etc has nothing to do with the plot.

If you are just saying Peter needs an introduction before fighting then yes, and he should converse with both Tony and Steve imo, but it should come about through the story and not be some tag along side story.

How about Peter is sitting watching the news sees the announcement of the accords and the request for enhanced individuals who want to do 'good' to come and sign them. Peter being young and naive and seeing one of his heroes Iron Man urging people to sign them decides he wants to help and goes along.

Peter talks with Tony, though he is masked and he says he will sign the accords but as Spider-man and refuses to give away his secret identity.

I'll admit it's not amazing and I hope the writers have come up with something a lot better, but to me that is at least a way of fitting Spidey in without it coming across that he was just thrown in there just to be like 'hey guys Spider-man is in the MCU'

I like your idea, it's not bad and it it happened like that I'd accept it but maybe we don't need to see Peter join Tony's science program, maybe he's already met Tony off screen and he's already in Tony's Science program so we don't even need dialogue about them meeting for the first time. Then you can have the TV scene you were talking about.

 

[TheVision]

I want to see how Spidey gets hooked up with the gang. Does he do it himself or do they send someone to find him? That kinda thing. Maybe Scott Lang flies around NYC on an ant and spots Spidey then talks to him or something.

 

[Herolee10]

Didn't Feige say somewhere that one of the things that they're going to do was get inside the mindset of Peter Parker regarding how he looks up to the likes Captain America and Iron Man, mainly on whether he wants to be heroes like them or not?

If that's the type of arc that we can expect for Spider-Man in this film, then I'm all up for it.

Honestly, even if his role is somewhat small...I kind of want to see Spider-Man somewhat represent the new age of heroes that are going to come about (ala Phase 3) and how they've been influenced (directly or not) by the actions of Captain America and Iron Man.

 

[Villain]

What if we don't see him unmasked yet?

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

What if we don't see him unmasked yet?

Tom Holland there was shooting for a few weeks, so it's likely we will. At least one Peter Parker scene has already been confirmed...

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/18/a-look-at-some-items-in-peter-parkers-bedroom-in-captain-america/

 

[ernesth100]

Why exactly would those scenes be in the film though, they have nothing to do with the plot. That would be a forced cameo setting up a future film something AoU and especially TASM2 suffered from.

Somehow Spider-man needs to fit into this film naturally.

I know exactly where it can fit. Either in the end where Stark is thinking about everything that just happened and remembers he has a meeting with a kid from midtown.


Or somehwere in the begging before the Sokovia Accords are even brought up. Maybe right after Stark finishes talking with Peter, Maybe Cap and Widow come down in the Quinjet. Peter is just in shocked that he's seeing Avengerd but they get called back for a meeting(the Accords) and Peter is left to think whether or not he wants to be trained as an Avenger while the film goes on in the middle.



By doing it in the beginning you give him a chance to get involved in things with the Accords. By doing it in the end, you make sure Spider-Man doesn't take up too much of everyone elses screentime.


Then again judging from the trailers this film has alot in it already. As much as I want to see Spidey. I'm beginning to think it would be better if Spider Man wasn't in it at all. I mean, I can't think of a place he can fit wher it wont seem like he's just taking up screentime or just there to be there.

 

[Villain]

Tom Holland there was shooting for a few weeks, so it's likely we will. At least one Peter Parker scene has already been confirmed...

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/18/a-look-at-some-items-in-peter-parkers-bedroom-in-captain-america/

Yes but it's not like everyone knows who's behind the Spider-Man mask.