The Amazing Spider-Man Already in Post-Production?!

[chaseter]

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[pickleweed]

Do you have a schedule? No. So you know just as much as I do which makes this entire post moot. You have no knowledge of anything so refuting my post is as pointless as taking time to put words IN ALL CAPS. Nobody spends 16 months doing post production on a movie.

I can wait 2 years for this...I am in no hurry. I won't be first in line at midnight anyways. Let it go up against TDKR and be smashed...I don't care. I am looking at this from a financial situation, not a fanboy situation like you seem to have gotten your panties bunched up over. Spider-Man would have done better financially had it been released this July. Now it has TDKR to battle with and it won't win that battle by a long shot. Ohhh someone is ornery today.

no i dont have a schedule, but unlike you, i dont assume to know what they couldve "easily" done, or the reasons theyre doing things the way they are. so the point isnt moot, youre just too dense to get it.

and im willing to accept sony's financial planning over yours, since, well, your just some nobody on a message board who thinks they know their business better than they do.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Nobody takes 16 months for post production. That is ridiculously stupid. GI Joe's script was terrible. It wasn't because they needed one extra month to edit the movie.

Tron Legacy had 18 months of post.

 

[White_Knight191]

^^ Gezus, 18 months and the 3D still s*cked?

 

[chaseter]

no i dont have a schedule, but unlike you, i dont assume to know what they couldve "easily" done, or the reasons theyre doing things the way they are. so the point isnt moot, youre just too dense to get it.

and im willing to accept sony's financial planning over yours, since, well, your just some nobody on a message board who thinks they know their business better than they do.

Yet what are you doing? You assume to know I am wrong. You think you know what I am saying is definitely wrong. Where is your proof? What are you judging this off of? Oh right, your own personal opinion because you don't know anything.

We will see if it pays off. I am sure you have never criticized a studio, director, writer, or anybody involved in the movie industry for any decision that they have made because after all, they know more than you.

Tron Legacy had 18 months of post.

Nearly that entire movie was completely CGI. And to boot, the 3D wasn't that good. This movie isn't Avatar. It isn't Tron. It isn't Star Wars prequels.

 

[pickleweed]

Yet what are you doing? You assume to know I am wrong. You think you know what I am saying is definitely wrong. Where is your proof? What are you judging this off of? Oh right, your own personal opinion because you don't know anything.

We will see if it pays off. I am sure you have never criticized a studio, director, writer, or anybody involved in the movie industry for any decision that they have made because after all, they know more than you.

you really dont see the difference? well, let me lay it out for you -

with my lack of knowledge, im accepting of things happening as they are, and letting people who do know actually make decisions

with your lack of knowledge you gripe about changes they shouldve made, and the benefits your "simple" changes would have, while completely disregarding any possible variables that may impede whatever your prattling on about

get it?

and to answer your question - besides the fact that im in the movie industry, im understanding that people who do things for a living, tend to do it because they are skilled at it. sure, i can question decisions, but i would never think for a minute that i know more about directing than marc webb.


i dont mind you questioning the schedule. but its the ridiculous notion that things couldve "easily" been done your way, and that your financial observations are better than people who have actually invested time and money into this production.

 

[chaseter]

gotta disagree. i remember seeing that in the theater and being in disbelief (not the good kind)
sure the tech has grown exponentially, but thats not a crutch for poor effects.

How dare you call the fx in SM2 aged and poor. You don't know as much as a cgi artist. You are not qualified to say whether they were good or not.

that is a reflection of raimi's lack of understanding the limitations of CG. either that, or his vfx supes were feeding him bad input.

either way, it looked bad. the rooftop running specifically terrible.

How dare you say Raimi lacked understanding. He is an established director and you aren't. You are not qualified to advise Raimi on direction for any film.

guys, they arent going to shoot green on location..... and if they were shooting bg plates then noone would even know or care. simple enough.

How do you know what they are going to shoot on location? Do you have a production schedule? You don't know what they are going to do. You aren't qualified to say what they are going and what they aren't going to shoot on location.

yea. that was always a thing for me. he was like a cartoon the way he arced back so much. which was less a result of the CG per se and more of a result of the direction given.

You a physicist now too?

I got bored on the 3rd page of your post history...3rd page. So apparently folks we have a director, vfx artist, production planning physicist.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I can wait 2 years for this...I am in no hurry. I won't be first in line at midnight anyways. Let it go up against TDKR and be smashed...I don't care. I am looking at this from a financial situation, not a fanboy situation like you seem to have gotten your panties bunched up over. Spider-Man would have done better financially had it been released this July. Now it has TDKR to battle with and it won't win that battle by a long shot. Ohhh someone is ornery today.

Its not like Rises is coming out a week after Spider-man, its coming out a month after it, and we know how frontloaded these films are. Spidey will likely have made most of its money by then.

 

[socool]

Its not like Rises is coming out a week after Spider-man, its coming out a month after it, and we know how frontloaded these films are. Spidey will likely have made most of its money by then.

Two and a half weeks.

July 20th-July 3rd=17 days.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

O-okay. I stand corrected. Damn that's a problem. Rises is gonna chop its legs off.

 

[TomPiltoff]

^^ Gezus, 18 months and the 3D still s*cked?

What kinda dork self-edits the word sucked?

 

[pickleweed]

How dare you call the fx in SM2 aged and poor. You don't know as much as a cgi artist. You are not qualified to say whether they were good or not.


How dare you say Raimi lacked understanding. He is an established director and you aren't. You are not qualified to advise Raimi on direction for any film.


How do you know what they are going to shoot on location? Do you have a production schedule? You don't know what they are going to do. You aren't qualified to say what they are going and what they aren't going to shoot on location.


You a physicist now too?

I got bored on the 3rd page of your post history...3rd page. So apparently folks we have a director, vfx artist, production planning physicist.

you'll notice a trend in all those quotes genious - its about the special effects. which i do for a living. so yes, i am qualified to speak on those.

again, im not a director, but i am a CG artist, and when cg is used in that way its misconceived. either by him, or whoever was telling him that it was usable in such applications.

and again, what do they use green for? thats riight, special effects. again, my field of knowledge. if you are going to put people on green screen, you do it in a studio. it kinda defeats the purpose of paying for a location if youre going to block it out with a green screen (though there are exceptions ill admit)

now show me your accounting marketing/accounting/logistics background

 

[chaseter]

Its not like Rises is coming out a week after Spider-man, its coming out a month after it, and we know how frontloaded these films are. Spidey will likely have made most of its money by then.

It's coming out 2 weeks after Spider-Man. Any chance of legs Spidey would have will be chopped off with batarangs.

 

[chaseter]

but i am a CG artist

Where will we good folks here at SHH have seen your work in?

 

[Arach Knight]

Do you have a schedule? No. So you know just as much as I do which makes this entire post moot. You have no knowledge of anything so refuting my post is as pointless as taking time to put words IN ALL CAPS. Nobody spends 16 months doing post production on a movie.

Well, here is the thing. He wasn't operating on sound knowledge of the schedules. That was not Pickelweed's point. His point was that you failed to consider the implications that surround the existing shooting and release schedule for this film. He may not have the knowledge of what obstructions may be hindering an earlier release, but he has at least considered them, where as you failed to do so.

With that said, right off the bat, I know that Emma Stone is set to start shooting a film for Warner Bros., this April.

"Stone will star in Crazy, Stupid, Love, alongside Steve Carell, Julianne Moore, Ryan Gosling and Marisa Tomei. The Warner Bros. film, about a husband (Steve Carell) with marital problems and difficulties with his children, began shooting on April 16, 2010 in Los Angeles"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Stone

That means that even though Spider-Man finishes filming in April, Emma won't be available immediately to help with promotions (e.g. talk shows, interviews, film premiere etc).

On the flip side, Andrew Garfield was filming The Social Network, which began principle photography in October 2009 (meaning that the beginning of 2010 was likely devoted to finishing filming and promoting the film).

Rhys Ifans was attached to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. That film was in production from January of 2009 until June of 2010 (for parts 1 and 2). that means that Rhys could have been busy during any point in time between that year and a half.

Do we know exactly when these actors were available during these shoots? No. Do we know how much touring they had to do for promotion? No. But can we reasonably assume that these people were preoccupied with previous engagements that prevented The Amazing Spider-Man from being shot any sooner? Yes.

Sony isn't stupid. During the PS2 years, something like 1/4 of Sony's profit was generated from the Spider-Man films. Do you honestly think they would sit on a sure fire block buster unless they had good reason to do so?

 

[chaseter]

Sooo why couldn't they have started in Sept-ish 2010, finish in Jan-Feb 2011, have 5-6 months of post, and release this in mid July 2011???

I know they won't be working on this movie for 16 months so it's odd to me that they are doing this. I am sure they have their reasons...I don't think they picked options out of a hat. I am not saying that they don't have reasons. I am just saying that it was a dumb decision to me. Why in hell would you want to compete with TDKR? This movie would have had 4 weeks to itself after Harry Potter. Now it has 2 before it gets shut down. I think this movie would have put up a really good fight with Cap.

 

[Arach Knight]

Sooo why couldn't they have started in Sept-ish 2010, finish in Jan-Feb 2011, have 5-6 months of post, and release this in mid July 2011???

I know they won't be working on this movie for 16 months so it's odd to me that they are doing this. I am sure they have their reasons...I don't think they picked options out of a hat. I am not saying that they don't have reasons. I am just saying that it was a dumb decision to me. Why in hell would you want to compete with TDKR? This movie would have had 4 weeks to itself after Harry Potter. Now it has 2 before it gets shut down. I think this movie would have put up a really good fight with Cap.

1) I only gave an example for three of the film's actors. Who knows what the rest of the actors were doing prior to the filming of this movie? I didn't make a full dossier. I just presented enough information to make the argument plausible. Also, a film is not only the product of the actors and the directors. You have to consider the hundreds of people involved with the production of this film, including costume designers, makeup artists, sound and lighting engineers etc. You have to consider the need to get insurance, approve budgets, get permits etc.

2) What about marketing? Do you think they could have had some studio put together a video game back in September 2010 and have it released by now? Most video games take a minimum of one year to develop. So even if they started a game then, it wouldn't be available until now. What about other promotions such as licensed products (e.g. toys, clothes, lunch bags)?

3) It seems that your chief complaint is not about the length of time for post production (which I feel will likely be used for developing and implementing the marketing), but rather the fact that this film will have to compete with The Dark Knight Rises. Honestly, you are making far too many assumptions. It isn't as if people will go into a movie theater and say something along the lines of, "well, I am only seeing one super hero film and that is it. I won't see any other super hero films this year." I know for a fact that I will see both TDKR and AMS.

And it won't just be because I am a fan of both characters (they are my favorite super heroes). It is because I am a fan of the super hero genre in general. I imagine that many people in the GA will see both films. Spider-Man 3 is the second highest grossing super hero film (after The Dark Knight). That is a huge audience that can still be enticed to see a new Spider-Man film. I dare say you are being rather paranoid.

 

[chaseter]

I want Spidey to do well no matter what. Spider-Man making a crap load of money leads to more Spider-Man movies. He won't do as well up against TDKR. It's a death sentence. I don't know what genius at Sony thought this would do good 2 weeks before TDKR. Ice Age 4 comes out the week after Spider-Man. But with TDKR, it will be in a ton of theaters on a ton of screens. TDKR will take up half the screens or more in all theaters. Then Bourne 4 comes out in the beginning of August. Spidey will be given late showings on one screen just a month after the movie comes out. I just don't see the box office panning that well for it.

 

[Blader5489]

Sooo why couldn't they have started in Sept-ish 2010, finish in Jan-Feb 2011, have 5-6 months of post, and release this in mid July 2011???

That's an extremely rushed production schedule. Just ask Matthew Vaughn.

I know they won't be working on this movie for 16 months

No, you don't know that.

 

[Arach Knight]

All you provided were a large number of assumptions with no clear evidence for your current train of thought. There are a multitude of outcomes.


1) Both films do reasonably well because the general audience opts to see both films.

2) The Amazing Spider-Man outperforms The Dark Knight Rises.

3) The Dark Knight rises outperforms The Amazing Spider-Man

I can understand your concern, but your argument is predicated on a weak foundation. The Spider-Man film franchise is a multinational hit. The last Spider-Man film is the second highest grossing super hero film of all time and the 18th highest grossing film of all time. It isn't like Warner Bros. upcoming effort to launch the new Superman film off the failure of Superman Returns. Audiences like Spider-Man films.

Spider-Man is still a popular comic. The character has had a series of games and cartoons for the past five years (Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions, Spectacular Spider-Man). He is in the public eye. There is room for both heroes to succeed at the box office, despite your unfounded "doom and gloom" predictions.

 

[mclay18]

I know they won't be working on this movie for 16 months so it's odd to me that they are doing this. I am sure they have their reasons...I don't think they picked options out of a hat. I am not saying that they don't have reasons.

With a good deal of normal people skeptical about the reboot, Sony doesn't want to rush this film through and overspend like they did with SM-3. Not to mention that with the film being in 3D -- they have to render everything in 3D (which means they need to have all the finished effects before starting). Plus, the extended time gives Sony and Webb to do reshoots and additional visual effects rendering if needed.

I think Sony might take a page from Warner Brothers and Paramount from the ST reboot and HP6. Have the film locked, scored and in the can by the end of the year. That way, Sony can build up a good campaign and move the film up to April if need be (only one film is currently slated to come out April 2012, and it's a Sony release). That way, it has a month to itself before May rolls around.

And the July 2012 release is ill-timed. The ST sequel and TDKR will squash it flat, and Sony needs to move it up or off the summer schedule.

 

[chaseter]

That's an extremely rushed production schedule. Just ask Matthew Vaughn.

Matthew Vaughn looks to have made a really good movie. I have no doubts about his abilities.

No, you don't know that.

How do you know Matthew Vaughn is being rushed That might be the perfect time for him to do what he exactly wanted to do for First Class. I assume that is the movie you are talking about.

What are they going to do for 16 months? What is there possible to do? This isn't a vfx heavy movie like Avatar or 300. It seems the average for time for superhero movies to start filming is about one year prior to release. This started filming about 20 months before release. Why? None of you can answer these questions but you tell me I am wrong. You know just as much as I do yet you know I am wrong. It's hypocrisy.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

I'm really happy that The Amazing Spider-Man comes out next to Dark Knight Rises, cuz then I get to see two awesome movies, in the span of two weeks. Seriously, July 2012 is going to kick so much ass.

 

[Blader5489]

How do you know Matthew Vaughn is being rushed That might be the perfect time for him to do what he exactly wanted to do for First Class. I assume that is the movie you are talking about.

Uh, have you not read a single thing about the movie? Vaughn and the cast have talked repeatedly how incredibly rushed production on First Class has been. Vaughn particularly has talked about how insanely stressful it has been. And that movie is working on the exact kind of production schedule (film in the fall, post in the spring, summer release) that you're suggesting this movie should follow.

What are they going to do for 16 months? What is there possible to do? This isn't a vfx heavy movie like Avatar or 300. It seems the average for time for superhero movies to start filming is about one year prior to release. This started filming about 20 months before release. Why? None of you can answer these questions but you tell me I am wrong. You know just as much as I do yet you know I am wrong. It's hypocrisy.

Principal photography wraps in April. That leaves 15 months for post-production and promotion, which is a more or less normal amount of time for that. And that's without mentioning the fact that the film is being shot in 3D, which adds a whole new layer of difficulty to post (e.g. they have to color correct the film in both 2D and 3D, which doubles an already tedious process).

Not to mention they need to leave open the possibility, or even the necessity, of reshoots, which would occur in the summer or fall if they do at all.

You seem to be ignoring (or are just flat out ignorant of) the basic time necessities of big budget filmmaking because you're so worried about it going head-to-head with DKR. Why? You're not involved in the film or have any financial stake in it. It's going to make money anyway. It's still going to get a sequel. It's Spider-Man. Unless the movie is a colossal bomb (which would only happen if it really tanked in its first two, Batman-free weeks) then there's nothing worry about.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Where will we good folks here at SHH have seen your work in?

How about Fantasyland?